Full Version: Veteran QB to Acquire?
This is now Rodgers team to lose. I'm assuming they will draft another young QB to develop in the middle of the draft, but I also assume they will sign a veteran in case Rodgers is injured. Who do you think it will be?
So how many of you have confidence in Aaron Rodgers? Do we pick up a veteran? Do we look at another first round QB pick, or are there others we nab later in the draft? What are your thoughts? Anyone have insight into the QBs available in this year's draft?
We'll bring in a Vet. Quinn Gray? Did he sign with anyone yet?
I belive Dilfer is a FA I would not be shocked if they sign him now.
I'm just bummed we missed out on Rex Grossman in free agency.
*sarcasm off*
*sarcasm off*
No sexy names out there really.
Veteran QB's unsigned atm (Source: FF Today)
Quinn Gray
Daunte Culpepper
David Carr
Trent Green
Jaimie Martin
Jared Lorenzen
Bryon Leftwich
Kelly Holcomb
Marques Tuiasosopo
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Shaun Hill
Tim Rattay
Vinny Testaverde
Dan Orlovsky
Craig Nall
Chris Weinke
Brian St. Pierre
Out of that group, I'd probably prefer Gray or Carr. But, I could see Green (i just shuddered) or Jaimie Martin as a pure veteran guy. I'm really hoping for Quinn Gray though.
I also think our QB we draft this year just went up from a 4th/5th round guy (Johnson, O'Connell) to a 2nd/3rd (Flacco, Booty, Henne)
Veteran QB's unsigned atm (Source: FF Today)
Quinn Gray
Daunte Culpepper
David Carr
Trent Green
Jaimie Martin
Jared Lorenzen
Bryon Leftwich
Kelly Holcomb
Marques Tuiasosopo
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Shaun Hill
Tim Rattay
Vinny Testaverde
Dan Orlovsky
Craig Nall
Chris Weinke
Brian St. Pierre
Out of that group, I'd probably prefer Gray or Carr. But, I could see Green (i just shuddered) or Jaimie Martin as a pure veteran guy. I'm really hoping for Quinn Gray though.
I also think our QB we draft this year just went up from a 4th/5th round guy (Johnson, O'Connell) to a 2nd/3rd (Flacco, Booty, Henne)
I'd take a flyer on Culpepper. Clearly the most skilled of that bunch.
Look for Quinn Gray - He would be a solid back up / fill in starter.
I have complete confidence in Rodgers ability, just not his health. A solid #2 will be imperative.
I have complete confidence in Rodgers ability, just not his health. A solid #2 will be imperative.
QUOTE (pilprin @ Mar 4 2008, 10:09 PM) 
Look for Quinn Gray - He would be a solid back up / fill in starter.
I have complete confidence in Rodgers ability, just not his health. A solid #2 will be imperative.
I have complete confidence in Rodgers ability, just not his health. A solid #2 will be imperative.
I agree with all the comments. I think we now draft another QB in a higher round than we might have. I also like the Quinn Gray signing. I think there are many people in the league curious as to his development curve. He's a beast, with a great arm and shows suprising presence. He's raw but has really developed nicely.
I belive Gray has already resigned with the Jags.
QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Mar 4 2008, 11:29 AM)
I belive Gray has already resigned with the Jags.
I'm fairly confident hes still a FA. I don't see anywhere on the Jags page about resigning him (they signed Cleo Lemon). I might have missed it though, it was a quick googling
And Grays CBS Sportsline page says the Jags didn't offer to resign him.
Quinn Gray @ CBS Sportsline
I would not mind TT checking the availability of JP Losman. I thought after the season Buffalo was shopping him. I would not give up more then a Third round pick it could not hurt to give Buffalo a call. If I remember 08 would be the last year of his rookie contract. Seems like Buffalo likes Trent Edwards. Maybe Buffalo would be willing to get something for Losman now versus getting nothing when he leaves via free agency. Just a thought.
QUOTE (LawDog @ Mar 4 2008, 10:39 AM)
I would not mind TT checking the availability of JP Losman. I thought after the season Buffalo was shopping him. I would not give up more then a Third round pick it could not hurt to give Buffalo a call. If I remember 08 would be the last year of his rookie contract. Seems like Buffalo likes Trent Edwards. Maybe Buffalo would be willing to get something for Losman now versus getting nothing when he leaves via free agency. Just a thought.
I agree about Lossman, but I would not give more than a 4th or 5th for him. I wouldn't be surprised to see us sign Nall again since he has some experience with the Pack
Brunell might be a good tutor...
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Packers' QB options are very limited
By Tom Silverstein
Tuesday, Mar 4 2008, 11:23 AM
Now that Brett Favre has retired and Aaron Rodgers has stepped into the starter's role, the Green Bay Packers have to start hunting for another quarterback.
Good luck with that.
Had they known Favre was going to retire maybe they could have used Corey Williams as trade bait for Cleveland quarterback Derek Anderson, but really, the Browns weren't going to make that deal. They seem pretty committed to Anderson and getting him signed to a three-year deal means they can groom Brady Quinn to be his replacement.
So who's left on the free agent market?
One guy with West Coast experience is Tim Rattay. There's probably a better chance that Craig Nall will come back. Kelly Holcomb is out there. Anyone the Packers would sign in free agency would be a veteran who could hold down the position for awhile if Rodgers got hurt.
The Packers will seriously have to explore the trade market if they want to get someone decent.
One option would be the Jets' Chad Pennington, who has been rumored to be on the trading block. Another would be Buffalo's J.P. Losman, who lost his starting job to rookie Trent Edwards and wants out. Yet another could be Washington's Mark Brunell, who was drafted by the Packers in 1993 and is third string behind Jason Campbell and the recently signed Todd Collins.
The Packers are almost guaranteed to take a quarterback in the draft. They need another young quarterback to develop in case Rodgers isn't the answer or leaves in free agency when his contract expires after the 2009 season.
Right now, the Packers have Rodgers, Dalton Bell and Jerry Baab on their roster. Nall is an unrestricted free agent.
By Tom Silverstein
Tuesday, Mar 4 2008, 11:23 AM
Now that Brett Favre has retired and Aaron Rodgers has stepped into the starter's role, the Green Bay Packers have to start hunting for another quarterback.
Good luck with that.
Had they known Favre was going to retire maybe they could have used Corey Williams as trade bait for Cleveland quarterback Derek Anderson, but really, the Browns weren't going to make that deal. They seem pretty committed to Anderson and getting him signed to a three-year deal means they can groom Brady Quinn to be his replacement.
So who's left on the free agent market?
One guy with West Coast experience is Tim Rattay. There's probably a better chance that Craig Nall will come back. Kelly Holcomb is out there. Anyone the Packers would sign in free agency would be a veteran who could hold down the position for awhile if Rodgers got hurt.
The Packers will seriously have to explore the trade market if they want to get someone decent.
One option would be the Jets' Chad Pennington, who has been rumored to be on the trading block. Another would be Buffalo's J.P. Losman, who lost his starting job to rookie Trent Edwards and wants out. Yet another could be Washington's Mark Brunell, who was drafted by the Packers in 1993 and is third string behind Jason Campbell and the recently signed Todd Collins.
The Packers are almost guaranteed to take a quarterback in the draft. They need another young quarterback to develop in case Rodgers isn't the answer or leaves in free agency when his contract expires after the 2009 season.
Right now, the Packers have Rodgers, Dalton Bell and Jerry Baab on their roster. Nall is an unrestricted free agent.
Is Ty Detmer still in the NFL. 
With Favre's retirement and really no backup behind A-Rod (I'm not counting Nall) we desparately need a quality backup. I have seen around the internet (pft and other unreputable sources) that Chris Simms may be available from TB. Tampa has Garcia, Greise, Gradkowski, Plummer (although he doesn't really count), and Simms under contract.
I know Simms was hurt pretty bad, but if he passes a physical does anyone else think he may be a good player to trade for? He looked good as TB starter beofre the one injury riddled season. He is young and has a lot of years left in him. Plus if A-Rod proves himself, which I hope he does, a viable starter and Simms has a few good preseasons, we may be able to trade him away in a year or two to a team desperate for a QB.
I would think that we could trade a 3rd or maybe even a 4th for Simms at this point. I would be all for trading for Simms at the right price and bringing in a second day draft pick as the number 3. As far as I'm concerned, Nall isn't worth paying. Comments?
I know Simms was hurt pretty bad, but if he passes a physical does anyone else think he may be a good player to trade for? He looked good as TB starter beofre the one injury riddled season. He is young and has a lot of years left in him. Plus if A-Rod proves himself, which I hope he does, a viable starter and Simms has a few good preseasons, we may be able to trade him away in a year or two to a team desperate for a QB.
I would think that we could trade a 3rd or maybe even a 4th for Simms at this point. I would be all for trading for Simms at the right price and bringing in a second day draft pick as the number 3. As far as I'm concerned, Nall isn't worth paying. Comments?
I'd rather try for Andrew Walter of the Raiders. However, I think Aaron Brooks and a draftee makes good sense. Brooks thrived under McCarthy in New Orleans. He got caught up in a bad situation in Oakland after bad-mouthing owner Tom Benson regarding his chintziness in making things liveable after Katrina.
QUOTE (foamboy1 @ Mar 4 2008, 10:14 AM)
This is now Rodgers team to lose. I'm assuming they will draft another young QB to develop in the middle of the draft, but I also assume they will sign a veteran in case Rodgers is injured. Who do you think it will be?
The veteran I would pursue is Chris Simms. he has one year left with Tampa. They just traded for Griese. They also have Garcia, the rights to Jake plummer , Luke mcnown and Gotkowski (spelling) I think they would trade Simms for a late day two pick, or we could wait to see if he is cut.
Kurt Warner?
QUOTE (Huss @ Mar 4 2008, 02:55 PM)
Kurt Warner?
Hmmm... Interesting....
i think that they will maybe trade for one of the 5 tampa bay qbs (plummer)
IMHO... I doubt very much if the Packers bring in any veteran QB to compete for the starting job...
I think they only want a quality veteran QB to have:
1) to mentor/tutor Rodgers
2) someone who can win a few games in case of injury
3) someone who can win a few games in case Rodgers bombs (which I don't think he will)
I think they would allow a rookie QB to compete for the starter's job when he is ready to do so...
I think they only want a quality veteran QB to have:
1) to mentor/tutor Rodgers
2) someone who can win a few games in case of injury
3) someone who can win a few games in case Rodgers bombs (which I don't think he will)
I think they would allow a rookie QB to compete for the starter's job when he is ready to do so...
QUOTE (Huss @ Mar 4 2008, 02:55 PM)
Kurt Warner?
Thats a great idea that I didn't really think of...Kurt Warner. He'd be ideal in my opinion.
Older guy, great calming influence, pretty much accepts a backup QB role now, can actually win a game if we needed him.
But, that would require a draft pick. Would TT actually be willing to give up a 4th or a 5th for Kurt Warner? I doubt it.
QUOTE (zenhoff @ Mar 5 2008, 02:11 AM)
Thats a great idea that I didn't really think of...Kurt Warner. He'd be ideal in my opinion.
Older guy, great calming influence, pretty much accepts a backup QB role now, can actually win a game if we needed him.
But, that would require a draft pick. Would TT actually be willing to give up a 4th or a 5th for Kurt Warner? I doubt it.
Older guy, great calming influence, pretty much accepts a backup QB role now, can actually win a game if we needed him.
But, that would require a draft pick. Would TT actually be willing to give up a 4th or a 5th for Kurt Warner? I doubt it.
Very doubtful that he would give a draft pick for a clip-board carrying back-up.
I agree that a veteran should be brought in as an insurance policy/safety net. But the reality is it's now Aaron's team, and they (TT/MM) aren't going to mess with his psyche by bringing in someone to give him competition. They want AR to be focused on adjusting to leading this team, rather than looking over his shoulder at the "competition".
Drafting a QB in the 4th-5th round who can be groomed as the next #2 QB over the next 2-3 years, and for a starting role after that time (should AR not be able to wear the mantle of leadership) is the logical approach to dealing with what is now a very large hole in the line-up.
I also like the idea of Warner but have my doubts that AZ would be willing to let him go. I'm not sure that they are sold on Leinart as their franchise QB.
QUOTE (maxman44 @ Mar 4 2008, 02:03 PM)
IMHO... I doubt very much if the Packers bring in any veteran QB to compete for the starting job...
I think they only want a quality veteran QB to have:
1) to mentor/tutor Rodgers
2) someone who can win a few games in case of injury
3) someone who can win a few games in case Rodgers bombs (which I don't think he will)
I think they would allow a rookie QB to compete for the starter's job when he is ready to do so...
I think they only want a quality veteran QB to have:
1) to mentor/tutor Rodgers
2) someone who can win a few games in case of injury
3) someone who can win a few games in case Rodgers bombs (which I don't think he will)
I think they would allow a rookie QB to compete for the starter's job when he is ready to do so...
I agree with that. I think Nall comes back and we draft a QB.
QUOTE (LuvdaPack36 @ Mar 5 2008, 02:43 AM)
I agree with that. I think Nall comes back and we draft a QB.
I'm in complete agreement with that.
Sign Carr. That way Rodgers knows his job is secure, like when GB kept Doug Peterson around so Brett would realize his job is safe.
Donovan McNabb!!!! trade C'mon!!!
I posted this in another thread, but a brief conversation I heard on sirius on the ride home from work speculated Trent Green as a backup to Rodgers.
Didn't he retire, though?
Didn't he retire, though?
My 2008 QB pecking order
1. Rodgers
2. Culpepper (one year vet min deal with incentives)
3. Josh Johnson (4th round draft pick)
1. Rodgers
2. Culpepper (one year vet min deal with incentives)
3. Josh Johnson (4th round draft pick)
What if Culpepper beat out Rodgers?
QUOTE (philh64 @ Mar 5 2008, 06:45 AM)
What if Culpepper beat out Rodgers?
Then me and my friend crowbar would have a talk with Mr. Culpepper.
QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Mar 4 2008, 06:58 PM)
Then me and my friend crowbar would have a talk with Mr. Culpepper.
No way would Culstinky beat out Rodgers!
QUOTE (Vinnie @ Mar 5 2008, 07:12 AM)
No way would Culstinky beat out Rodgers!
I know. I was just joking around with GBP.
Tim Rattay, Daunte Culpepper, Trent Dilfer, Quinn Gray, Trent Green, Mark Brunell, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Kelly Holcomb all are being tallked about (and some to) about backing up Rodgers. Culpepper is the early favorite (form various sources not connected with the Packers) from what I hear with Brunell and Dilfer right behind.
Alright, I give. I'll be the first one to say the forbidden name.
Michael Vick
By the way- here it hear first. My prediction- Favre unretires for one more go.
Michael Vick
By the way- here it hear first. My prediction- Favre unretires for one more go.
QUOTE (Vinnie @ Mar 4 2008, 07:18 PM)
Alright, I give. I'll be the first one to say the forbidden name.
Michael Vick
By the way- here it hear first. My prediction- Favre unretires for one more go.
Michael Vick
By the way- here it hear first. My prediction- Favre unretires for one more go.
Why you thinking of investing in a dog boarding kennel in Green Bay Vinnie
QUOTE (Vinnie @ Mar 4 2008, 08:18 PM)
Alright, I give. I'll be the first one to say the forbidden name.
Michael Vick
By the way- here it hear first. My prediction- Favre unretires for one more go.
Michael Vick
By the way- here it hear first. My prediction- Favre unretires for one more go.
Huh???
Oh my - Michael Vick...
QUOTE (Arrigo @ Mar 5 2008, 07:18 AM)
Tim Rattay, Daunte Culpepper, Trent Dilfer, Quinn Gray, Trent Green, Mark Brunell, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Kelly Holcomb all are being tallked about (and some to) about backing up Rodgers. Culpepper is the early favorite (form various sources not connected with the Packers) from what I hear with Brunell and Dilfer right behind.
Aren't those pretty much all of the veteran FA QB's available?
QUOTE (Arrigo @ Mar 4 2008, 07:18 PM)
Tim Rattay, Daunte Culpepper, Trent Dilfer, Quinn Gray, Trent Green, Mark Brunell, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Kelly Holcomb all are being tallked about (and some to) about backing up Rodgers. Culpepper is the early favorite (form various sources not connected with the Packers) from what I hear with Brunell and Dilfer right behind.
Thankfully the caveat "from various sources not connected with the Packers" was mentioned. I'd rather have Nall than Culpepper. No to Trent Dilfer either some folks, I do not think are fit to wear the Green and Gold. of course do not ever seriously say Vick and Green Bay in the same sentence
QUOTE (philh64 @ Mar 4 2008, 08:26 PM)
Aren't those pretty much all of the veteran FA QB's available?
I brought this name up on a different post - Aaron Brooks? He has ties to McCarthy and GB...
QUOTE (maxman44 @ Mar 5 2008, 07:28 AM)
I brought this name up on a different post - Aaron Brooks? He has ties to McCarthy and GB...
Yeah, I saw that. Interesting thought.
Out of all the vet-QB's available, I don't really know if there is one that is better than the other. IMO, Brooks actually makes more sense than any of the others, unless he packed on 20 lbs of flab or something.
I say we got to go with Quinn Gray. There really isn't anyone else out there. I'm not sure if he would like to sign with us because he knows that Rodgers is our guy. I'm not a fan of David Carr. Holcomb is iffy. After that we my as well just re-sign Nall.
Resign Nall to backup Rodgers and draft a QB.
don't count on TT to go out real quick to get a QB...he'll probably wait until right before the draft and sign a guy that has some playing time and could compete for the backup with nall or a draft pick. TT will do this to prove to Rodgers that he's our QB, and to boost his confidence.
This being said, I won't complain if we draft a Flacco or Booty.
This being said, I won't complain if we draft a Flacco or Booty.
resign Nall make him the 4th QB and then keep 3 QB's. 
QUOTE (greystroke @ Mar 5 2008, 02:26 AM)
Very doubtful that he would give a draft pick for a clip-board carrying back-up.
Interesting post. Wasn't that what TT did when he drafted Rodgers in the first round?
QUOTE (philh64 @ Mar 5 2008, 06:45 AM)
What if Culpepper beat out Rodgers?
Then, the devil would be in the Winter Olympics, vying for a figure skating gold medal.
I would look for a player like JD Booty, Josh Johnson, Ainge or Brennan in the mid rounds of the draft (rounds 3-4).
The Packers will tell whom ever they bring in that they are the #2 POINT BLANK. There will be NO competition.
The Packers will tell whom ever they bring in that they are the #2 POINT BLANK. There will be NO competition.
QUOTE (Vinnie @ Mar 5 2008, 07:18 AM)
Alright, I give. I'll be the first one to say the forbidden name.
Michael Vick
By the way- here it hear first. My prediction- Favre unretires for one more go.
Michael Vick
By the way- here it hear first. My prediction- Favre unretires for one more go.
Vick?! No way. Not ever. Never. As far as Favre "unretiring" what makes you think he will? Also, would that be for 2008 or later? Just curious.
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