Thoughts? He signed with them today.

We got him for Corey Williams right? Hilarity ensues.

What a waste......

Good. I bet TT was probably hoping someone would snag him. Maybe this way he can now go look for another QB that's a good backup. And he doesn't have to worry about making himself look bad by cutting his 2nd round pick 2 years later to get one.

he was a overrated media built bust. He will do nothing in the NFL. Thats why he was on the PS. He is not good enough to play in the NFL. Never will be anything but a 2nd or 3rd stringer.

Dont those 2 sentences sort of contradict themselves?

While he is not good enough to play in the NFL. Because of his high draft status. Some team like the Bills and seems the Packers are foolish enough to belive he will still be a good QB and give him a roster spot. I will be surpised if he would last after next season with teh Bills.

Maybe the WC offense was too hard for him to learn and function well in. Perhaps he could be serviceable on a team that runs a simple offense. I'm glad he's gone though, now the team can pursue a decent backup.

Players chosen between Brohm and Finleyin the 08 draft:

56 Green Bay Packers (from Cleveland) Brian Brohm Quarterback Louisville
57 Miami Dolphins (from San Diego) Chad Henne Quarterback Michigan
58 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from Jacksonville) Dexter Jackson Wide receiver Appalachian State
59 Indianapolis Colts Mike Pollak Center Arizona State
60 Green Bay Packers Patrick Lee Cornerback Auburn
61 Dallas Cowboys Martellus Bennett Tight end Texas A&M
62 New England Patriots Terrence Wheatley Cornerback Colorado
63 New York Giants Terrell Thomas Cornerback USC
Third round
Pick # ↓ NFL Team ↓ Player ↓ Position ↓ College ↓
64 Detroit Lions (from Miami) Kevin Smith Running back Central Florida
65 St. Louis Rams John Greco Offensive tackle Toledo
66 Miami Dolphins(from Detroit through Kansas City) Kendall Langford Defensive end Hampton
67 Carolina Panthers (from New York Jets) Charles Godfrey Cornerback Iowa
68 Atlanta Falcons Chevis Jackson Cornerback LSU
69 San Diego Chargers (from Oakland through New England) Jacob Hester Fullback LSU
70 Chicago Bears (from San Francisco) Earl Bennett Wide receiver Vanderbilt
71 Baltimore Ravens (from Baltimore through Buffalo and Jacksonville) Tavares Gooden Linebacker Miami (FL)
72 Buffalo Bills Chris Ellis Defensive end Virginia Tech
73 Kansas City Chiefs (from Denver through Minnesota) Jamaal Charles Running back Texas
74 Carolina Panthers Dan Connor Linebacker Penn State
75 San Francisco 49ers (from Chicago) Reggie Smith Cornerback Oklahoma
76 Kansas City Chiefs (from Detroit) Brad Cottam Tight end Tennessee
77 Cincinnati Bengals Pat Sims Defensive tackle Auburn
78 New England Patriots (from New Orleans) Shawn Crable Linebacker Michigan
79 Houston Texans Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky
80 Philadelphia Eagles Bryan Smith Defensive end McNeese State
81 Arizona Cardinals Early Doucet Wide receiver LSU
82 Kansas City Chiefs (from Minnesota) DaJuan Morgan Safety North Carolina State
83 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jeremy Zuttah Offensive guard Rutgers
84 Atlanta Falcons (from Washington) Harry Douglas Wide receiver Louisville
85 Tennessee Titans Craig Stevens Tight end California
86 Baltimore Ravens (from Seattle) Tom Zbikowski Safety Notre Dame
87 Detroit Lions (from Cleveland) Andre Fluellen Defensive tackle Florida State
88 Pittsburgh Steelers Bruce Davis Linebacker UCLA
89 Houston Texans (from Jacksonville through Baltimore) Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia
90 Chicago Bears (from San Diego) Marcus Harrison Defensive tackle Arkansas
91 Green Bay Packers Jermichael Finley Tight end Texas

No loss.

I'll take the contrarian position.

Green Bay tried to convince Brian to stay and join the 53 man roster - which currently counts as 52 in Packerland. The coaching staff and front office obviously saw enough that they were not ready to give up completely on Brohm.

While I certainly acknowledge that Brian Brohm was not who I would have selected with a 2nd round pick and I don't see his loss as a significant issue in the short run, I do think that it is not a good thing to lose him to another franchise.

GBP4EVER is infamous in his impatience with player development and his willingness to write off players to the level that teams would have rosters of less than 20 if they followed his definitive declarations about players.

But to the rest of you, do you not remember how bad Aaron Rodgers looked early?

Playing QB in the NFL is very difficult, and QB development happens at very different paces for different QB's.

Clearly Brohm was overwhelmed by the pace of the game in the NFL and Flynn was (as I pointed out right away in the 1st training camp days) was standing out and developing much faster.

Now that Brian is no longer a Packer and playing in the AFC I wish him nothing but the best. He is going to a team where the opportunities are greater for a young QB and he will be afforded a fresh start - it was a wise choice on his part. I hope he finds success.

However, it does set the Packers back. They have NO one ready to step up if Rodgers or Flynn goes down. It is one thing to only carry two QB in your roster and have a guy you have been preparing stashed on the practice squad - it is an entirely different thing to only have two guys that know the system on the wider roster (including practice squad).

Let's pray for QB health - the way our line has failed to protect -- let's hope those prayers are heard. (BTW I am not serious about the whole prayer thing for those that may be offended).

I do remember quite a few folks saying that it was no loss when a certain rookie LT was nabbed by the Bills -- it has not passed my notice, that while that rookie is playing and developing the Packers have struggled horribly at the position and have no heir apparent waiting or developing in the wings.

I hope that losing Brohm is no big deal, but I am not ready to ignore that a good number of QBs how were passed over and given up on have emerged at a later point in their careers.

There is a guy currently playing down in Arizona who might be the most dramatic example, and a late round draft pick who did pretty well for the Packers many years ago who wore the number 15.

It is very likely that Brohm should never be spoken about in relation to such great players - but of course that is what they said about those guys at the time they were being written off too.

Really? Ok what young players have I not given a chance to develop? I said before he was even drafted that Brohm would bust. Besides that I think I am pretty supportive on giving the young guys a chance. Don't say what about Hawk. He has been in the NFL for 4 years now and should still not be developing.

Disqualifiying another forum member is not a way to give weight to your words Bruce. In fact I respectfully think that what you wrote here doesn't make much sense, in my mind they are just words without any real content maybe I missed the idea or the message behind that post.

Brohm was/is/will be a bad QB, if that suits the Bills fine, it is clear TT was offsides during that part of the draft both Brohm and Pat Lee were terrible picks.

Very interesting list, glad you put this up. There really are none on that list that has taken the league by storm. I would argue that Finley very well could be the best of the players on that list. I realize there are several starters on this list, but it just goes to show what a crapshoot the draft is.

9Volt, thanks for posting that list. Lot of "meh" guys in there with few exceptions (Packers 2nd rounders included in the meh category).

I wouldn't have given up on Brohm either, to see if the third year was a charm as it was with Rodgers. What can't be changed is that Brohm does not have a strong arm and he had some accuracy issues. Pat Lee looked like he might be coming on last year, so I haven't given up on him yet.

I will say that draft picks are a good way to build a roster, and missing out on picks will happen. But missing out on these first-day picks are tough to overcome.

Lastly, can we all agree that it is difficult to draft and develop an NFL-worthy QB? It's not like they grow on trees. I definitely appreciate Rodgers and think he has a bright future.

Glad Brohm is gone. Now maybe TT will learn his lesson and sign a veteran next year to back up Rodgers. I still don't feel good with Flynn as our backup. Great development guy, but if Rodgers goes down I don't think we win with Flynn.

Bills seem to like our PS guys, don't they? Anyone know how Meredith is doing over there? That's one guy I wish we held onto to develop.

The Packers cleared a roster spot yesterday, with no apparent need to fill (until this morning's news), and did offer to match the Buffalo offer. IF the Packers really wanted to keep him they could have beaten the offer, but they didn't. Brohm knew he was buried at #3, so he went where there is no clear-cut #1 in front of him.

I think this was a token offer by TT, and that TT was forced to keep Brohm "around" because of the round 2 pick. IF TT is nervous about the QB spot we may see the 53 spot used on a vet QB, but I don't think that'll happen until AR or Flynn goes down.

I disagree about the comment that TT would keep him because he was a 2nd rd pick. He cut him and took the chance of losing him then so what is the difference losing him now. I believe he only made the offer because of the rate at which AR is being sacked. The more he is hit the higher the probability it is that he gets injured so having a QB on the team that knows the system is important if he needs to come in in an emergencty role.

Craig Nall part II

Interesting that no one is mentioning the reason Brohm was expendable is that TT hit on a 7th round QB that outplayed a 2nd. I am less worried about what round they were drafted in and more concerned about the results. Our team could be filled with street free agents as far as I care as long as we make the playoffs and are a contender for the superbowl. If we miss the playoffs ANY year, that year is a failure.
If Brohm comes out and looks better 5 years from now than Flynn that falls on McCarthy more than TT IMO.

I am not sure its accuate that Thompson "hit" on the Flynn pick just becuase he outplayed Brohm. Not real sure there is that separation between the two. When you draft a guy as high as Brohm he either need to be contributing in year 2 or 3 OR have some trade value. In this case we did not get either

Contributing in a year or two for a backup quarterback is showing up at practice.

One of the major problems with today's NFL is that quarterbacks are hitting the field too early and often never develop.

While their are lots of anecdotal examples of QBs that have stepped right in to play at a relatively high level, most do poorly without a few years of seasoning.

The jury is still out on this one. I think that having 3 developmental QBs means that the coaching staff is forced to under-coach one or more. The real travesty to me is that we started last year and this with two rookies backing up an unproven vet.

Agree but my point was when you pick ANYONE that high regarless of position they need to contribute on the field

What QB did we have on the practice squad for the last few years when we were only carrying 2 QBs on the 53?

Brohm was on the practice squad all year up until the Bills signed him to the active roster. GB only had 2 active QBs this year and held on to Brohm on the PS until now. Today they signed QB Mike Reilly, an undrafted Free Agent who spent training camp with the Steelers, to the practice squad to replace Brohm.

I think Brohm was a miserable failure and this release comes about 9 weeks too late. He really did not show much progression from his rookie year to his second year. I was expecting a big jump. He had MORE than ample game opportunity in the pre-season. He played all of the snaps that Rodgers didnt as Flynn missed most of the pre-season. He looked very ineffective virtually all of the time he was in there.

Someone made a comparison to Rodgers in his rookie season to Brohm. Yes, Rodgers was very shaky as a ROOKIE, but showed noticable improvement in year 2 and then looked very sharp by year 3 in '07. I did not see that in Brohm. He always looked like he was playing the game a step or 2 too slow. I have serious doubts if he will ever amount to anything.

GB should sign a veteran back-up QB. I've been saying that for 2 years now. Let's face it, if Rodgers goes down AND THE WAY HE'S GETTING HIT, THAT'S FAIRLY LIKELY. Flynn looks SOMEWHAT promising, but I cringe at the thought of turning this team over to him even for a 1/2 of a competitive game during the playoff run.

PACKERS TAKE THAT OPEN ROSTER SPOT AND FILL IT WITH THE LIKES OF JEFF GARCIA or BRAD JOHNSON etc! I know neither of these guys are the QB they once were, but their experience and moxy could keep us in the playoff race if Rodgers has to miss a short period. I'm not betting on Flynn to be able to do that. I think he has potential and has made strides, but if Rodgers goes down right now, the white flag on the Packers season goes up.

He just made me cringe everytime I saw him. Glad he is gone.

Same here!

Noy saying Brohm was good by any means. But I remember another team, the Falcons to be exact, giving up quickly on a QB that seems to hold most of the notable QB records and is a Superbowl champ. Not saying this is going to happen with Brohm, cause it probably won't. But, I think you kinda have to keep that in the back of your mind whenever you trade people away. Just a thought.

Favre had a ton of raw talnet and just needed a good HC and QB coach. He had neither in ATL. MM was known as a good QB coach. It seems he helped Rodgers. It also seems Brohm learned nothing.

So... Tom Clements - QB coach - doesn't get any of the credit for developing AR?

Tom Clements coached 3 QB's to Pro-Bowls before helping AR, Flynn and Brohm ...
the Chiefs’ Elvis Grbac (in 2000) and the Steelers’ Kordell Stewart (in 2001) and Tommy Maddox (in 2002).

Yep. Reverse the roles for how Flynn and Brohm have developed and this would be a complete non-issue. One guy appears to be developing, the other one not so much. Par for the course. Flynn is our backup QB for the foreseeable future, and I'm fine with that.

I give most the credit to MM and Rodgers himself. MM worked with Rodgers to fix his throwing and holding the ball when he first came here. Also Rodgers took it upon himself to put in the extra time to stay in GB during the off-season to go through MM QB camps and learn the play book in and out and get some extra work in with the WR's which has paid off.

I don't care if Brohm is terrible. You have to have a body to play QB, and he should have been on the roster. When is the last time a team in the NFL had 2 QB's where injury played no part in it. Thompson needs run out of town for negligence on this issue alone. He had plenty of opportunities to sign a veteran both last year and this year.

This is the final act of the Ted Thompson vs. Brett Favre story (unless Brett wins his Vikings Super Bowl). TT drafted Brohm and then Flynn to make his statement in the Brett Favre saga. We needed defense at that pick. We at least needed some value somewhere, and the value turned out to be $0. A little value might have made the difference for a Super Bowl run.


Payne85

how about during favre's last years in GB. They often did not go with 3 QB's. Why keep a QB on the roster that is just wasting a roster spot and is going to do nothing to help you. That would be negligence in itself my friend. No the smart thing was to cut him. Also in what game have we needed to use 3 QB's this year? To me keeping 3 QB's on a team is a waste. Tell me how many times does a team actually use it's 3rd QB in a game? Almost never so it is better to use that spot for someone who can actually help.

Careful, now. You're making TT sound intelligent, and many people here don't like that!

And exactly how many games has Favre missed in his career? If I recall it is a record for QB's and if he keeps going will be a record for football players all together.

Rogers has already had to come out of a competitive game because of injury last year, and with the way this line is playing will probably get knocked out some time this year, probably around the time we play Pitt. or Baltimore.

Sure we might not have needed it in the previous years with Favre during his tenure but that was after over a decade of evidence gathered not a couple of years.

What the Pack had with Favre was a luxury most teams would kill for, but did not have and most of them kept 3 qbs, what we are doing now is playing with fire.

Don't get me wrong I think that Aaron is tough as they come but last week he was already limping and we still have 7 games left, that is alot of football to go with just two qbs that have not proven a record of playing through or without injury over a significant amount of time.

Once again how many games are we going to need a 3rd QB? How many games are we going to need a extra OL'men? I would rather have a extra guard or tackle on the roster right now then some QB who will not even be active ever. Right now this team needs every OL it has to be able to play on gameday.

+ 1

When Brohm was drafted we only had one QB on the active roster so how can some of you say QB wasn't a need? A lot of experts thought BB was ready to play in the NFL but it soon became apparent that the pro game moves too fast for this young man. It didn't work out for him but Flynn seems to be a promising back up to Rodgers. If Flynn were the 2nd round pick and Brohm the 7th this wouldn't be an issue. Not every great QB in the NFL was taken on the first day of the draft.

He's still 36 behind the record,
I predict he does not get it.



Brent came out of multiple competitive games because of injury.
He just always made the next start.
Not comparing the 2,.... but
AR has made the next start EVERY time so far also.



1. Brent was ALWAYS limping after the first few weeks of the year.

2. How much did Brunell, Hassellback, Brooks, Detmer,(Warner), prove while here???

Go Pack!!

When there is not much difference between what would be the #3 qb and what a GM can sign off the street at any given day, then why carry three? GB can do the same thing the Bills did and pilfer other teams practice squads if QB becomes an issue.

Pat: Not picking on you at all, but it is Brett (not Brent) and

Brett Favre already holds the record for most consecutive starts with 278 by a positional player - he passed Jim Marshall's record of 270 back on September 20th

Punter Jeff Feagle holds the record for most games - but to add a punter who has had games that he never kicked to the list is generally not done.

To keep apples to apples the QB numbers (which is the topic of this thread is:

Name Period Consecutive Starts
1 Brett Favre 1992-Present 278
2 Peyton Manning 1998-Present 185 -- (-93 games, just short of 6 full seasons worth of starts)
3 Ron Jaworski 1977-1984 116 -- (-162 games, 10 full seasons plus 2 games)
4 Tom Brady 2001-2008 111 -- (167 games, 10 full seasons plus 7 games)
5 Joe Ferguson 1977-1984 107 -- (171 games, 10 full seasons plus11 games)

Note: of this list only Manning can keep pace with Favre as he resets the record each week. No one else is even close.

Most teams carry 3 QB because the NFL sets the rules to make that easy. Teams only have to count 2 against their game day actives and can carry a 3rd QB as an inactive but suited up. That 3rd QB can be inserted into the lineup is the top two are injured (effectively giving teams an extra game day roster member)

Exactly, and that is why most teams do this as it does not have to affect their game day personnel numbers.

And is it really that much of a stretch with the way this line has been giving up sacks to think that we could not see a game where we have two qbs hurt?

Bruce,

Until he retires and has had a "grace period"
and returns to the flock, he is Brent to me
(like the shirt says).



I haven't burned any of my Favre jerseys,
but they are in "storage" until he
is once again part of the Packer family.

I agree about the record being tainted for a punter,
but it is what it is.
His streak is amazing and probably untouchable.

Go Pack!!