BrooklynCowboysFan
Nov 15 2009, 04:18 PM
Congrats on a great win today. Many of you doubted yourselves earlier in the week, but I said there would be a lot of three-step drops from Rodgers and O-Line adjustments this week.
Your D played absolutely incredible today.
The only beef I have is the fumble where Felix Jones clearly recovered the Romo fumble, and was down by contact, but could not be challenged. That allowed another 7 for GB.
Other than that, you guys were the better team today.
Good luck in the rest of your season.
-BCF
sinatra
Nov 15 2009, 04:29 PM
Yeah, I felt a little dirty about that fumble. I'll never complain about a play that helps to cement a win, but that really should have been Cowboys' ball.
But hell, it's about time we get a win against you guys. You've owned us for the last couple years. AND we'll be playing eachother again next year (NFC North v. NFC East).
BrooklynCowboysFan
Nov 15 2009, 04:34 PM
^^^^ And I'll stop by then too!
carnival
Nov 15 2009, 04:42 PM
hey...the fumble, we should get a break , seems it always goes the other way...great effort ,so happy for the team
Lambeau5
Nov 15 2009, 04:53 PM
QUOTE (BrooklynCowboysFan @ Nov 15 2009, 06:18 PM)

Congrats on a great win today. Many of you doubted yourselves earlier in the week, but I said there would be a lot of three-step drops from Rodgers and O-Line adjustments this week.
Your D played absolutely incredible today.
The only beef I have is the fumble where Felix Jones clearly recovered the Romo fumble, and was down by contact, but could not be challenged. That allowed another 7 for GB.
Other than that, you guys were the better team today.
Good luck in the rest of your season.
-BCF
Nice to talk with a real fan and a respectful one at that. Come back anytime.
KC Pack Fan
Nov 15 2009, 04:58 PM
Thanks. As you could tell we have a lot of work to do on offense. Good luck the rest of the season. Unless we meet you in the playoffs.
Vots
Nov 15 2009, 05:08 PM
I'm very thankful that our defense came out and dominated, they bailed out the offense.
I'm glad McCarthy installed a few more slants this week then usual, but we were still treated with too many plays where Rodgers was taking deep drop backs. You can't do this when the protection is so bad, you need to go back to the 2007 play calling!
And I'm not sure I'm with you on these O-line adjustments you saw.

Still far to many defenders going into the backfield then should be allowed which resulted in sacks and pressures. Which has just been our story this year.
When the defense plays as amazing as the Packers D played today, it's near impossible for the offense to lose the game.
But the Packers offense needs to be realistic from here on out, because if they don't shore up those penalties and McCarthy can't figure out a way to keep Rodgers from getting hit almost every play...playing like they did today and only getting 17 points, isn't going to be enough when they have to play the Steelers or Ravens (and also not to over look some of the weaker teams like the 49ers and Seahawks).
So glad they kept themselves in the playoff hunt, but the offense is still very concerning to me.
ATLPACK99
Nov 15 2009, 05:29 PM
Sorry Brooklyn, a rule is a rule. You are seriously barking up the wrong tree here talking about bad officiating. I've seen my share of bad calls this year which includes a ridiculous illegal contact call on a third down and billion that gave the opposition an automatic first down when the contact took place within five yards...and was on the other side of the field.
The Cowboys clearly came out flat and the Packers didn't, although they tried as hard as they could to let you back in the game with penalties and shoddy blocking, something we're used to. I imagine if these two teams play again the result most likely would be different. A desperate team is a dangerous team, and we saw that today.
Perhaps this is a turning point for the Packers but I don't think so. A duck is a duck. Good luck the rest of the way.
BrooklynCowboysFan
Nov 15 2009, 05:38 PM
QUOTE (ATLPACK99 @ Nov 15 2009, 06:29 PM)

Sorry Brooklyn, a rule is a rule. You are seriously barking up the wrong tree here talking about bad officiating. I've seen my share of bad calls this year which includes a ridiculous illegal contact call on a third down and billion that gave the opposition an automatic first down when the contact took place within five yards...and was on the other side of the field.
Hold up playboy, I'm not blaming officiating on the outcome of this game. Don't know how you came up with that one.
The Pack was the better team today.
What I was saying was: Anybody with two working eyes could see FJ recovered the fumble.
Sure, rules are rules. But just tell me you watched that play and believe that wasn't Dallas' ball.
You say different, this poster won't bother to respond to you again.
*Sinatra knows the real*
Good luck on the rest of your season.
Frozen Tundran
Nov 15 2009, 05:52 PM
QUOTE (BrooklynCowboysFan @ Nov 15 2009, 07:38 PM)

Hold up playboy, I'm not blaming officiating on the outcome of this game. Don't know how you came up with that one.
The Pack was the better team today.
What I was saying was: Anybody with two working eyes could see FJ recovered the fumble.
Sure, rules are rules. But just tell me you watched that play and believe that wasn't Dallas' ball.
You say different, this poster won't bother to respond to you again.
*Sinatra knows the real*
Good luck on the rest of your season.
No doubt about it, it should have been Cowboys ball--when I saw it in slow motion. Tough call to make in real speed on the field, outstanding camera work though. Don't think I'm trying overmuch to defend the officiating crew, I wailed like a baby when I saw we drew Triplette's crew, I hate watching games with that group, they're
always the 'star' of the game. :-/
Dunno why that's un-reviewable, that doesn't make any sense. I understood why they originally made it so fumbles weren't reviewable, as the whistle would be blown and you have to ensure the players respect the whistle--but they changed that and it wouldn't matter to a play like that anyway. Bad break for the 'Boys. You had a lot of them this afternoon.
ATLPACK99
Nov 15 2009, 05:59 PM
QUOTE (BrooklynCowboysFan @ Nov 15 2009, 05:38 PM)

Hold up playboy, I'm not blaming officiating on the outcome of this game. Don't know how you came up with that one.
The Pack was the better team today.
What I was saying was: Anybody with two working eyes could see FJ recovered the fumble.
Sure, rules are rules. But just tell me you watched that play and believe that wasn't Dallas' ball.
You say different, this poster won't bother to respond to you again.
*Sinatra knows the real*
Good luck on the rest of your season.
I actually did think it was Dallas ball but am not going to feel sympathy for a fan of another team because of a bad call when we've been getting them all year long. I've seen some of the biggest phantom holding calls this season. I guess when you're at the top of the league leaders in penalties annually you get a reputation. Again, like I said, the Cowboys came out flat tonight, that was obvious. The Packers were desperate and needed a win. That was by far the best defensive performance by the Packers this season, IMO, and somewhere deep inside me, I don't think will be replicated the rest of the year. It was one game, a game the Packers played better than their opposition. You should know that your team is much better than that, even I know that. BTW, I never said you blamed it on the officials.
66_Ray
Nov 15 2009, 06:17 PM
Who was that Cowboy fan who hung around after last years game. We always get good football folks droping by who are Cowboys fans, I'm not gloating cause we won, we lost last time. We had good posts from him and You.
Torveaux
Nov 16 2009, 08:06 AM
Good on you cowboy fan. I live in DFW area and have to deal with the worst of your kind. It is nice to hear from another of the good ones!
The fumble was unreviewable, but the call in real-time was missed. It was a rather quick 'possession' so I can see the mistake. Either way, it was unlikely the 'Boys would get the 1st down and the way the game was going at that point, the score may have been different, but the outcome would have been the same.
The Pack still has a LOT of work to do if they want to make a playoff run.
Terry
Nov 16 2009, 05:11 PM
I'm very sympathetic to Brooklyn in this case.
I think games, even those with widely disparate scores like this one, are quite often representative of hairline differences between victory and defeat. That's why I am not inclined to come down so heavy on a team that goes 6-10, especially when 7 losses were by four points or less. It's hard to say that maybe a dozen plays made all the difference in the world in such a record.
Yes, I agree that the Packers have been shafted by a number of penalty calls this season, but I'm not sure how important they were in most of the contexts in which they occurred. But perhaps they could have made a difference in one or two of the losses, of course.
But some penalties, correctly called (or not called) or not, can happen in particular contexts that make them hugely significant.
I think it's entirely possible that the entire outcome of the game yesterday could have hung on just two calls. One was a fumble not recovered (by official call) that maybe was recovered. That's the one under discussion.
The other one was a fumble not lost because of a penalty. We forget that one. Maybe that was an excellent and correct call on a flagrant penalty, I can't say. But the point is that the Cowboys recovered a fumble deep in GB territory, but it didn't happen because they committed a penalty. And of course, the bad call was the Cowboy loss of a fumble deep in Cowboy territory.
Those two plays go fractionally differently - the official calls the Cowboys fumble correctly and misses the infraction in the other case or the player doesn't make it and this could have been a very, very different ball game. In fact, I'd go so far as to say it probably would have.
And if even that one fumble, the one we all talk about here, was correctly called, who knows? A ten point deficit with plenty of time left is a vastly different problem to solve than a 17 point deficit. If the Colts can score 21 points in a fourth quarter, even after also throwing an interception in the same quarter, the mental state of the Cowboys down 10 points half way through the quarter might have been a very different state of mind than that which resulted from what actually happened.
I don't care what anyone says, the losses against the Vikings were hairline losses - in both cases - and the victory against the Cowboys was a hairline victory. And damn the score.
So I'm completely sympathetic to Brooklyn for his frustration. We all know that frustration very, very, very well.
PackerJB
Nov 16 2009, 06:38 PM
Wow a nice Cowboys fan. Are there any more of ya?
diesel
Nov 16 2009, 06:42 PM
QUOTE (PackerJB @ Nov 16 2009, 08:38 PM)

Wow a nice Cowboys fan. Are there any more of ya?
East Texas was the first to come here. He was polite. Visited 2 years if I recall.
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