Heard rumnor on ESPN that the OLINE blew up at ARod during meetings about holding the ball to long. anyone hearing this from any other angles, maybe our insiders.

I've blamed Rodgers like everyone else. But this o line is as bad as it gets. i hope we get better with Lang sulitified but I don't see it.

BTW, was Detrich-Smith better than Colledge? Seemed to do better in second half... still worried.

Of course an epic win for the defense, couldn't be happier. Also, that 80+ drive was nice for Aaron and the offense. Go Packers.

If they haven't, maybe they should.. because the coaches either aren't addressing it, or aren't competent enough to do so effectively. I'm sure the line gets an ear full when they blow an assignment.

Colledge played at around the same level as he has all year long.

He is probably the worst player on the line right now.

Every play he gets blown up by the DT.

I thought Lang was a liability as well, but he is young and a rookie so you can't expect much from him right now. He needs time to develop.

It would take colossal balls for the o-line to raise such a complaint, considering that most of the sacks have occurred on plays where defenders are in the backfield almost simultaneous with the snap. AR is sometimes guilty of holding the ball too long, but that is such a small part of the problem that it's barely worth mentioning. The line's performance is by far the biggest problem the team has this season.

I surely hope this isn't true. I cannot think of something more pathetic than the Green Bay Packer O-line being outraged at the QB for not getting rid of the ball when it is their damn job and sole purpose to give him that time. Yeah, I see him holding on to the ball longer than he should too. I count to four and if he's not thrown it I wonder why as well, but being as I can't see downfield I don't know for sure. I do that because I have every reason to think our O-line sucks like a blast furnace and if he wants to live through this year he should just give up and throw it away more often.

Thankfully for Packer fans Aaron has more courage than I and confidence in his supporting staff and tries to make plays like he was in the NFL and not playing for Baylor in their annual whipping by Texas. I'd will admit I do think he could probably throw it away more often, but for crissakes this is about the lamest criticism of a QB you can come up with. He doesn't give up often enough and doesn't give up on his teammates. I can live with that.

It is saying a relevant quality of a QB is how often he gives up because he doesn't trust his teammates. I am tired of yelling to him through the screen to "Throw it" when he isn't even getting the standard four seconds. He's made mistakes of this nature, but compared to the many more numerous ones committed against him by the ones supposed to protect him it should be legal for him to pull out his lightsabre and execute them on the spot for such idiocy if they dared to complain.

there was a players only meeting where all the offensive players sat down said what they where doing wrong and what the others where doing wrong. Rodgers admitted he was holding the ball to long on some sacks trying to make plays happen but that the oline has also been doing a horrible job blocking.

Rodgers is at fault for about 1/3 of the sacks in my opinion. Rich Eisen tweeted yesterday to the effect that Rodgers has no internal clock. If our qb has a weakness its reading blitzes. I still think he's a great player and will only get better but this is probably his biggest weakness.

Rodgers is and will be a very good QB for a long time, but there is a monumental difference right now between him and guys like Manning/Brady. Watching those guys last night, there was a noticeable difference in the decisiveness of their throws. They knew full-well when and where the blitz was coming from. They knew every possible option for the potential situations coming their way. It was amazing to watch. Obviously, those guys are older than Rodgers and have much more experience, but Rodgers needs to start getting to that point sooner than later. He held the ball on more than a few occasions yesterday.

You heard this where exactly?

Yes, I'm totally sure this is true.

While I loved the game yesterday, the offense is still not that potent between the sacks and penalties. One issue is the speed of getting to the line and snapping the ball. I wonder if this team did a no-huddle for a series once or twice a game would help their timing? It seems to me that many teams are trying a set-up play not to have it break open but to set up another play that will break open. I don't see that in this offense. It just seems that everything is based on players winning their individual battles vs. a system that opens up either a short pass or seam route for a big gain.
One thing seems certain, if the O-line is mad at Rodgers they should be looking at film. Rodgers and the Packers don't have a consistent long game because he doesn't get the time, if he does someone has held and gets called.

Let's hope that the next three games end up in the win column!

I don't consider Rich Eisen as an authoritative source. Peter King had a similar comment in his weekly column, and Charley Casserly accused Rodgers of being responsible for 60 percent of the sacks. These guys are talking heads and mimic each other almost to the point of groupthink.

A couple weeks ago, Bob McGinn, who I consider an excellent source when it comes down to statistical analysis, put 25 percent of the sacks on Rodgers. I would consider that closer to the reality that Rich Eisen's spoutoff.

Let's face it, Rodgers needs to work on his pocket presence. But I can't fault him too much. He had additional responsibilities this week with protections. He's got a turnstile line in front of him and he doesn't know how much he can trust them. His line changes weekly. D-lineman come free off the edge unevaded. At this point, I'd be surprised if his clock wasn't off. Our OL is a mess.

Same.

My spies told me so.

Actually, they mentioned this meeting yesterday during the game.

One of those meetings where everybody calls out everybody else... The OL for not protecting, the QB for holding the ball too long, the WRs for drops, etc.

My understanding of it was not just the OL blowing up at Rodgers, but everyone more calmly calling out everyone else on what needed to be done.

Well, the thing is, if this actually happened, it happened in a closed door meeting between the players (though I believe the coaches were allowed to stay in the room). So if ESPN heard about it, then someone leaked it. The question is, would that someone have actually leaked it directly to ESPN (this isn't quite Washington, D.C.) or would they have simply told someone else outside the situation? Well, of course, you can't know, but for two reasons, I would suspect the latter. Firstly, because ESPN called it a rumour (unless you did off your own bat, which makes you the unreliable reporter) and secondly because I think it's the more likely scenario (in a scenario we can't know happened in the first place). In that case, then we're into Chinese whispers and it quickly becomes a situation in which we can't tell what went on with any accuracy whatsoever.

Whatever the case, if this went down, I'm a little more sympathetic to the line than Frozen Tundran, even though I actually agree with Frozen's analysis. They're only human and they're under immense pressure. So, yes, I could see them let fly even if they don't have a leg to stand on. And if their outburst was accepted with some grace, I would imagine they would make amends for it later. And, their guilt might even drive them to playing better. Hell, maybe they'd buy Rodgers dinner for a change.

I went to a Packer preseason game in the mid-90's at Camp Randall Stadium in Madison. The biggest ovation that Favre got that night was when he threw a ball out-of-bounds rather than throw up another bone-headed interception.

Does Rodgers hang on to the ball too long? Yeah probably on occasion; but that's going to be corrected as he gets more and more experience. What he needs to be able to do is know what he's going to do and all of his options prior to the snap of the ball. It's not his internal clock, it's that he's still thinking after the snap rather than relying on well-honed instincts. In other words, he's still young.

Young, but with a world of talent and potential and I'll close by saying that - for now - I'd rather have him hold the ball too long now and then, in place of throwing bone-headed interception like that other young QB I saw 15 years ago. Sacks can kill a drive. Interceptions can kill entire games.

I'll grant that AR is not yet playing as well as Manning or Brady. Anyone who "blows up" at him for this reason should be smacked, hard, across the mouth. Especially if they are not performing their own job duties well.

I do get a kick out of trying to picture the obviously fictional confrontation this thread implies.

Colledge: Aaron, we need to talk.
Rodgers: Hey, don't worry about it. I understand you're playing your best.
Barbre: What? What did you just say?
Colledge: (restraining Barbe) Look, Aaron, you need to get the ball out faster.
Rodgers: I'm just trying to win games here, guys, I just...
Wells: You need to step it up.
Colledge: Don't you get it? We're terrible.
Barbe: If you keep this up, people are going to realize we have no place in the NFL! I'll have to get a job selling cars or something!
Rodgers: Guys, I...
Clifton: Do you know how tough it is out there for an ex-lineman? Gas is like $3/gallon these days and... (ominous cracking sound) uh oh, I think I just hurt my knee again...
Barbre: You see what you did!?! You made Cliffy hurt his knee! You're killing us!
Rodgers: What? Dude, he's sitting in a chair! He hasn't moved!
Colledge: Get rid of the ball! I don't care if guys don't have time to get open! Nobody'll pay attention to the fact that we can't even give you time for a reliable three step drop if you're throwing five picks a game.
Tausher: (wistfully) Yeah, I miss Brent too.
Barbre: So, we good?
Rodgers: I, uh...
Barbe: Right. Good talk.

I'm also trying to figure out why I assume that Barbe sounds just like Joe Pesci...

LOL! Gawd that was hilarious! Thanks for posting it. humor is always more effective than ranting like I did.

I just came across an article by an ESPN sportswriter that sheds some light on this subject. He timed all of Aaron's sacks to the tenth of a second and listed them individually. Here is the link:


http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id...odgers-on-sacks


Just looking through that, about half of them Aaron's not even getting three seconds. That's utterly absurd, and even more astonishing is there are repeated instances where he's going down in less than 2.5 seconds, and a few of less than two seconds.

You can't have that. Under these circumstances Aaron getting rid of the ball quicker is at best a temporary solution. You can't fix the structural problem that way, only mitigate it somewhat. The only real long-term solution to this is getting better blocking from the O-line, as one that can't give their QB a reliable four seconds--or even three--is the root of the problem. That we are able to run an effective passing offense of any type under these conditions is a testament to his skills. That we all can see him holding on to the ball longer than we would (and admittedly on rare occasions absurdly so) is irritating, but as we can see not the majority of the problem and also emphasizes his courage.

But I wish he'd cut it out too, it's gonna get him killed.