I suppose no one has pondered this, but if the current level of performance continues, could Murph be thinking about bringing Holmgren back as GM and have Chuckie(Gruden) as a head coach. Talk about lighting a fire under the player's rear ends! I for one would be 100% for this move at the end of the season, like make the announcement the day after the season ends.

McCarthy has lost this team and TT has failed to build as promised. Both breeched their contracts and should be banished!

By the way, I was a huge TT backer. No more! Maybe Murph has followed my recommendation and sent out feelers already! Have a plan, execute the plan, move forward. This team is regressing. We have a franchise QB, tremendous WR's, the making of a real good DL with some talent and depth at LB. We need a stud DE and a stud safety! We need athletic OL that are big! Holmgren and Chuckie, know the routine and half the job is complete.

Gruden sucked in Tampa

He led them to a SB title, and is a better coach than MM.

I ahve already addressed Gruden in another topic, but yes, their are Board members who are already trying to work that angle. Holmgren is never coming back to Green Bay. The sooner everyone accepts that, the better.

Seriously.

And why would he want to? He wants something fresh to get his hands on.

Gruden was asked to leave for reasons beyond wins and losses, let me just leave it at that. PLEASE NO

Jomama, oh my. Actually, bringing Holmgren back has been mentioned in several posts. To me, a bad idea. The GM job was taken away from him because of poor drafts. As a coach, he was given a great team and got the most out of them- until he decided he wanted to be coach/GM, which Seattle was prepared to give him. I still largely blame him for the SB loss in '68.

As for Gruden, he inherited an excellent team, and did lead them to a SB. Shortly after, age caught up with the squad, and the team declined. He seemed unable to get the most out of the players he was given by the GM (sound familiar?).

So, I don't think this is a good idea.

I still remember Holmgren making his decision to go to Seattle while the Packers were still pushing in the Playoffs. He was not loyal to us then I marvel at why people are enamored with him. He just left on not very good terms....

I don't want either of those guys.

In fact, there's not a single "big name" out there that I want. Unless you find a way to lure Belichick away from NE.

Dungy and Cowher are big names I would want. Proven winners, and just as importantly they would be able to get top level talent for all the assistant coaching positions. Would be shocked if either one would be interested, but they are big names I would want.

I still would like to see Leslie Frazier from The Vikings. Yes he has not been a HC before but he has shown everything that Mike Tomlin showed before his hire by the Steelers.

I have no interest in Shanahan, he is MM 2 in my opinion. Same crappy OL scheme and poor discipline.

Cowher is the only retread I have interest in.

I've never liked Dungy. His "Hugs and kisses, I never scream" coaching style irritates me.

That said, he's apparently a good coach and has built winners in both places he's coached. If we had to go with any big name out there, Dungy would get my vote above the rest. Then probably Cowher.

I don't see Dungy coming back to the NFL. He is really committed to working with young men and mentoring them....but stranger things have happened.

The level of nepotism this fan base is willing to tolerate astounds me.

Mike Holmgren, the guy who couldn't be bothered to prepare for or coach a SB because he had one foot on a plane bound for Seattle?

John Gruden, the guy who couldn't develop a single QB in a decade? The guy who flat out lied directly to the face of our current franchise QB about drafting him in 2005?

These are the guys you think should control the fate of this team?

They don't need to promote from within. It's like inbreeding, you can only do it for so long without seriously degrading quality. Ron Wolf was a complete outsider. He came in and tried to change the team's uniforms. We don't need something that radical but there are 31 other teams in the league and they all have different ways of finding success (save 4 or 5 of them...). I'd much rather see someone who has never set foot in GB except as a spectator than a Packer re-tread hired for his "respect for the history" or something inane like that.

If the Packers do move on after this year, I would be shocked if a big name coach was hired. They would need to eat nearly $20 mil in contracts and I would doubt that they are in a financial position to eat that much money and then give out the same amount or more to the new GM & HC. I would bet Pilprins suggestion of Leslie Frazier is more in the realm of reality than Cower or Dungy. JMO

That is the least of my worries about Gruden

I'd have a hard time rooting for the team if we hired Gruden.

After rooting for the Forrest Greg led Packers, I think I can stomach anything. IMO, truly the lowest of low points.

I also would not want to see Walrus/Chucky. I don't think Gruden is a particularly good coach, and it's questionable Holmgren is a good GM even if he wanted to come to Green Bay.

As an aside, the Chicago Tribune laid out the numerous additional costs with firing an existing coach with more than 1 year left on his contract like Lovie Smith/MM. They point out that not only would you more than likely have to pay the former coach the entire remaining amount on the contract (since they would probably not get another job right away). You'd also have the remainder of the assistant coaches contracts, travel expenses to interview new coaches, and moving expenses for the new coaches hired. It may not sound like a lot, but it does add up..

Not so fast on Holmgren. Lets take quick visit to memory lane.

What I remember from Superbowl XXXII was the selfishness showed by a player and the coach.

Holmgren was thinking about his big payday in Seattle. He had a meeting with Paul Allen shortly after losing SB XXXII and promptly left the packers.

Even Ron Wolf questioned why he did not make adjustments in the second half that cost the Packers the game.

mailing it in

You can fill in the blanks.

As much as I have come to understand more of Farve's flaws, I will always respect that he was never a quitter on the field. Even his last INT which cost them the NFL Championship in his last game he was trying.

On the other hand, The player was Gabe Wilkins "hurting" his knee and not returning to the game so he wouldn't jeopardize his potential big payday in Free Agency.Terell Davis ran over Darius Holland for the rest of the day delivering one of the top performances by a running back in a super bowl. San Francisco subsequently signed him to a big contract with a big signing bonus. Gabe Wilkins has become known as one of the worst SF free agent signings in team history.


There has to be better options that the same old cast of characters that get trotted out when a vacancy is in the air.

Can't we do better than "round up the usual suspects"?

And what has he shown that makes you think he can put together a quality group of coaches on a new team?

Didn't Mike Tomlin take over a very good team and keep the machine rolling? Has he hired all new coaches and changes phylosophies? I'm just asking. Stepping into the drivers seat of a very good team and not messing it up is not he same as going to a new team.

what about Russ Grimm

Kinda like when Jimmy Johnson left the cowboys, he left a chapionship team for Barry Switzer

Why not approach Ron Wolf about coming back? It sounds like he has the 'itch' to get back in the game.

Wolf as GM with Cowher as coach?

I'd be IN for that!

That would be awesome. A huge upgrade over what we have now.

If I'm TT I'd fire M3..........

Then hire Mooch..........take that you Mississippi Hillbilly

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Just having some fun..........

I have heard tht M1 is searching for a house in GB.......just saying

How do you think he would do in todays NFL? Are responsibilities of the GM about the same?

I think so. Read his book. It helps to understand what he was thinking and why. He does not have a problem admitting when he makes mistakes(and working to correct them). Something many GMs (not just ours) have trouble doing.

Holmgren is supposedly talking with the Browns -- he apparently had lunch with Randy Lerner yesterday.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Cl...?urn=nfl,203302

Note to self...don't tell Jim Brown secrets. ROFL.

Why Holmgren would even consider coaching the Browns is beyond me. That organization is a complete mess, and Holmgren would probably want total control as GM and Head Coach. And we all know how well that works.

Pack/Atl....thats the second "semi-ominous" reference about Gruden...
I'm sitting in Tampa and cant recall reading or hearing anything weird or odd about his dismissal...what are you alluding to?

The general feeling in this market is that he and his pseudo-hand picked GM werent good talent evaluators - flip sided with their feeling that they werent getting financial support from the Glazers.

Either way....I hope he stays an ESPN announcer as I think he's really good at it.

Holmy likes to "entertain" alot of potential job openings for just this reason......it gets him alot of free meals and keeps him well porked up. LOL I think he evolved beyond Walrus-like some years ago....now he's more young Hippo.

I'm not to fond of Gruden.

But if it ever came down to us needing a new HC, I'd have to agree and say Dungy would be #1, by far. I would love to see Dungy as our HC. Look at all the success he has with players from the draft. I always hear complaints about MM not getting the most of the draft picks, I would think Dungy could. Cowher would also be next on my list. He believes in a power running game with a big and knows how to work with the 3-4.

Assuming that either Dungy or Cowher are interested in coaching again so soon. Let's remember that both of these guys left very secure jobs with good teams.

X2 and if he could turn it around he would be so old he wouldn't remember it.

I really don't think he wants both anyway.

GM is not the problem in GB, and HC may not be as well. I'm certain there are a couple of assistant coaches that should be shown the door.

I'm thinking that Lerner is talking to Holmgren about the open GM spot.

While we are at it...


I am thinking about bringing this guy in as the GM



and


this guy in for the Head Coaching job --


Both have tasted success multiple times and bring experience honed from success.

Huh???

You say unlikely, well it is almost as likely as some of the ideas being kicked around in this thread.

I'm thinking the same thing. The biggest problem by far is on the OL. I think Campen needs to go. He doesn't know where to play the players at and they just seem to be lost out there. I'm sick of the constant flipping of players around. At first they had Lang practicing at RT then they switched him to Guard and all of a sudden he is the emergency backup LT. It doesn't seem like this guy knows what to do with the players he is given. If this OL were any better, Jennings would be putting up huge numbers. He is a big play WR and you can't make any big plays down the field when the pressure is in the QB's lap before the ball is. This team is a good OL from being a really good team. Sure there are some other issues but no team is flawless in all aspects of the game.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...ns-on-holmgren/

And Shanahan is being pursued by the Bills. But according to ESPN radio this morning; both coaches figure to wait to see all offers from teams once the season is over.