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First, I'd like to say that I agree with much of what Joe wrote in this article. I'm curious about his claim that Capers wanted to mix in some 4-3 looks, but MM overruled him and wanted a straight 3-4. Is there a credible source for this? I find it a little bit hard to believe that MM would not allow Capers to run the defense the way Dom saw best to fit this team. If this is true I think it provides one more reason to question MM's job as HC, as it borders on micro-managing.

I also found this line interesting: "One of my spy’s[sic] said that McCarthy is not the same guy he was before the season began. He said he was looking like a “dead man walking” while tapping[sic] his T.V. show."

Obviously this is based on opinion, since exactly what a 'dead man walking' looks like is pretty subjective. But if there is a bit of truth that MM is showing cracks from the pressure, then that's another reason he may not be cut out for the job. IMO it's a bit early in the season for a coach to be checking out emotionally, mentally, or physically.

The idea of Parcells coming in is intriguing, but this rumor has been floating around since the 90's, and if it hasn't happened by now, I find it hard to believe it ever will. Parcells is getting up there in years for the game of football. While I respect Parcells, I think a GM younger than Parcells may benefit the Packers organization more.

This one never gets old. Fantastic post and graphic. I know that MM's physical appearance has not been the greatest recently. The pressure appears to have gotten to him IMO. The biggest problem for him is that with the way things have unfolded just about every game is a must win (even moreso than usual). The pressure is only going to increase. I keep thinking of Ray Rhodes on the sidelines chomping on his gum.

someone explain the photo, please. I feel left out of the joke.

It's just my way of expressing frustration.

what's it from?

Dude r u serious?

No

Dead serious. I don't recognize it. What is it? Looks like the dude's wearing a Star Trek uniform or something.

I also wonder if he is losing his players. Did you see him chew out the receivers after they got the stupid taunting penalty that was later taken away? He was yelling at them as they walked past, there was no stopping, eye contact, anything!! Then they reversed it and then they showed McCarthy yelling again to his receivers appologising.
This is why he needs to give Philbin the play calling back. He doesn't even see half the stuff that is going on. Instead he should have gotten into the refs grille and told them that when they huddle in the endzone, say a little prayer it is not taunting. Good job sticking up for your receivers!!

Boy, I'm not sure whether or not to post another Picard picture here

Seriously though, JAS, it has nothing to do with your post, so don't take it that way. I highlighted the parts you're calling into question from the Front Page for a reason. Things like, "spies" and details on the inner-workings of 1265 IMO, have no business here.

Actually I was told that from a source in June. I never said anything because I didn't think anything of it. As I went back and read some different articles, I would that PackersUpdate also reported it. Here is the lnk..

http://packerupdate.com/2009/10/16/shhh-he...t-were-hearing/



So I wasn't the only person to hear this.


As far as McCarthy walking around like a "dead man walking", a very close friend of mine works for the company that produces his TV show. He told me that on Monday McCarthy seemed "out of it" and "spacey". He went on to say he looked like a "dead man walking". I was told that McCarthy was "short, moody and seemed like he was trying to figure something out". He said that is a 180 (attitude wise) from how he was early on in the season, where he was laughing and loose and seemed to have a good feeling about the team.


The Parcells thought was floated to me a few weeks ago. I never gave it much thought until the swoon started. I than started to think about it and, I must admitt, got a little excited at the thought that Parcells could be the mext man in charge of the Packers. But as I said in my article, it was my thought and I don't think the Packers will eat $24 million ($18 million after the season) in firing both McCarthy and Thompson. I see staff changes (Philbin and Campen) before any decision on McCarthy/Thompson.

I will say this. I think Murphy needs to keep his mouth shut. While I agree with his frustration, he needs to let his football people do their jobs. Bob Harlan NEVER spoke publicly about football decisions. Murphy needs to take a page out of Harlan's book there.

Finally, I agree with LeRoy Butler when he said the Vikings losses took the Packers "swagger". The Packers need a win this week otherwise it may turn out to be a long, LONG rest of season in Green Bay.

Yeah, that's Patrick Stewart as Captain Picard in "Star Trek: The Next Generation." He's holding his head in his hands for some reason, but I'm sure you already figured that part out on your own.

I'm going to look the series up on Wiki and see if I can find any episodes that had Mike McCarthy in them; that might explain the holding-his-head-in-his-hands part.

Joe, thanks for the further explanation. I agree with you that the Packers don't eat TT & MM's salaries.

So since your story includes the exact copy from their story, I can assume that either A.) you had the same source, or B.) this information (that Capers wanted to run a 4-3) is running rampant all over the place since multiple people have heard it?

I don't know if we have the same source, but when I read it I wasn't surprised. I have told people this situation privatley for sometime. Most of those people post here and on other Packers sites. I do often. Infact a lot of things I put in the rumors or stories is not "new info" rather stuff that has been floating around for a while. I call various people to try and make sure it is true or they have heard it as well.

I added the link here so that I could show I wasn't the only person hearing this.

That's understood, Joe but you need to cite a source if it's pulled from another Web site. Your copy in your article is exactly what's posted in that link to Packer Update. So it appears as if YOU are the source.

Joe's article says this:

"Dom Capers tried to convince McCarthy to allow him to run some 4-3 looks when he first took the job as defensive coordinator, but McCarthy wanted to run a straight 3-4 even if some of the personnel didn’t fit."

The article he linked to from Packer Update says this:

"Mike McCarthy made it clear to Dom Capers that he wanted Green Bay to be a pure 3-4 team in 2009 – even though his new defensive coordinator had impressive results running an under 4-3 scheme in his inaugural seasons with Jacksonville in 2000 and Miami in 2004. Those teams, like the current Packers, had personnel better suited to play with four down linemen"

I don't think there's any problems there.

Heat,

If i would have got it from them, than I would have. I have in the past and have no issue doing that now. But I didn't, so I won't.

Like I said, I had heard this as far back as June and sat on it. I added it to show a problem with-in the organization that needs to be resolved.

So I'm to assume that both you AND Packer Update heard the exact same thing 4 1/2 months ago and coincidentally both waited until now to report it?

What are you talking about? That has been up on thier site for a while. Believe what you want, I am done discussing it.

Well, it was posted Oct. 16th. That's still four months ago.

This is the first I've heard of MM forbidding DC to run any form of 4-3, but when DC was hired he said he would be mixing things up to best utilize the talent and that it would NOT be a pure 3-4.

I read the same thing Joe heard, it wasn't on that website Packer Update because I never go there. I just chalked it up to M3 being little Neopolian and forgot about it.