R man
Nov 9 2009, 02:36 PM
(Have you thought about switching any responsibilities in the coaching staff to help oversee the offensive line or special teams?)
I'm very confident in our structure, our job responsibility, job description of every position. Offensive line, the way we're built, structured on staff is by design. We have four individuals on our offensive staff that I'd be very confident in coaching the offensive line, so I feel we have a high level of expertise on that side of the ball. Special teams, I think Shawn Slocum has done a good job in putting his print on what we're trying to do philosophically compared to the prior three years. But our problems to me aren't teaching and scheme, they do not fall in that area.
luv that team
Nov 9 2009, 02:49 PM
If the problem is not in the teaching or scheme. It must be in the players they have to work with.
Skyshadow
Nov 9 2009, 02:50 PM
What are you expecting?
"Yeah, we sucked yesterday and I don't have a strong plan to improve what went wrong. I probably shouldn't be retained as head coach."
R man
Nov 9 2009, 02:55 PM
QUOTE (Skyshadow @ Nov 9 2009, 05:50 PM)

What are you expecting?
"Yeah, we sucked yesterday and I don't have a strong plan to improve what went wrong. I probably shouldn't be retained as head coach."
I expect the truth and no excuses..
Skyshadow
Nov 9 2009, 02:59 PM
QUOTE (R man @ Nov 9 2009, 02:55 PM)

I expect the truth and no excuses..
You must be new here.
Jeremy
Nov 9 2009, 03:15 PM
Tough call, but I'll go with denial.
R man
Nov 9 2009, 03:18 PM
QUOTE (Skyshadow @ Nov 9 2009, 05:59 PM)

You must be new here.
Check my member number..........
66_Ray
Nov 9 2009, 03:32 PM
QUOTE (R man @ Nov 9 2009, 06:18 PM)

Check my member number..........
He was being sarcastic Rrrrrrrrrrrr
It looks to me like McCarthy is throwing the players under the bus. If it is not the coaches, it has to be the players.
The buck sure doesn't stop with MM, it is always someone else's fault, Leadership of the year award nominee Mike McCarthy. yes I'm being sardastic.
R man
Nov 9 2009, 03:43 PM
QUOTE (66_Ray @ Nov 9 2009, 06:32 PM)

He was being sarcastic Rrrrrrrrrrrr
It looks to me like McCarthy is throwing the players under the bus. If it is not the coaches, it has to be the players.
The buck sure doesn't stop with MM, it is always someone else's fault, Leadership of the year award nominee Mike McCarthy. yes I'm being sardastic.
I didn't know that he was or not 66... Generally, you would put a smiley or something to denote that....
Lombardi would have given it to us straight......
Vinnie
Nov 9 2009, 03:46 PM
QUOTE (R man @ Nov 9 2009, 05:43 PM)

I didn't know that he was or not 66... Generally, you would put a smiley or something to denote that.... Lombardi would have given it to us straight......
I agree, he would be better off not saying anything than coming out with some weak statement. Obviously, Slocum came up if he feels the need to defend him.
PackerJB
Nov 9 2009, 04:15 PM
I wanna hear what TT has to say. Probably not much as always...
JASIII
Nov 9 2009, 04:19 PM
QUOTE (PackerJB @ Nov 9 2009, 06:15 PM)

I wanna hear what TT has to say. Probably not much as always...
He likes their guys and he thinks they're a good group.
R man
Nov 9 2009, 04:37 PM
QUOTE (JASIII @ Nov 9 2009, 07:19 PM)

He likes their guys and he thinks they're a good group.
For sake of argument, let's agree with the above statement... Then to me, it will be a matter of time before Thompson is in a plane, train or cab departing Green Bay..
IceBowlWitnessBoy
Nov 9 2009, 04:55 PM
QUOTE (R man @ Nov 9 2009, 07:18 PM)

Check my member number..........
JASIII
Nov 9 2009, 04:58 PM
I think TT will get this year and next no matter what. If the team totally tanks and goes 5-11 or worse, MM is out. If not, he gets one more year too. Anything less than playoffs next year and they both go. I'm not saying this is my opinion on how it should be handled, I think it is ultimately what will happen.
R man
Nov 9 2009, 05:01 PM
QUOTE (IceBowlWitnessBoy @ Nov 9 2009, 07:55 PM)

You like that Icebowlwitnessboy? I did
Thirteen Below
Nov 9 2009, 05:02 PM
QUOTE (66_Ray @ Nov 9 2009, 05:32 PM)

He was being sarcastic Rrrrrrrrrrrr
It looks to me like McCarthy is throwing the players under the bus. If it is not the coaches, it has to be the players.
See, though, the problem with that is that the path he's taking is leading to some pretty treacherous ground. Because if he's going to start trying to blame the personnel on the field, the guy who picked all those players might start to feel a little bit threatened. Which is something McCarthy may not be able to afford, considering that's the same man who has the power to fire him, and who may very well be feeling a little bit of pressure from the people who have the power to fire
him unless this team starts winning soon.
chamuko
Nov 9 2009, 05:47 PM
QUOTE (Skyshadow @ Nov 9 2009, 04:50 PM)

What are you expecting?
"Yeah, we sucked yesterday and I don't have a strong plan to improve what went wrong. I probably shouldn't be retained as head coach."
A resignation??
R man
Nov 9 2009, 06:16 PM
QUOTE (chamuko @ Nov 9 2009, 08:47 PM)

A resignation??
I wish.... Then I can say... "The train has left the station Mike"
the monkey soul
Nov 9 2009, 06:25 PM
QUOTE (66_Ray @ Nov 9 2009, 05:32 PM)

He was being sarcastic Rrrrrrrrrrrr
It looks to me like McCarthy is throwing the players under the bus. If it is not the coaches, it has to be the players.
The buck sure doesn't stop with MM, it is always someone else's fault, Leadership of the year award nominee Mike McCarthy. yes I'm being sardastic.
Ridiculous.
QUOTE
I'm very disappointed. But that's our work to this point. I take full responsibility. I'm at the point of this football team
The GM
Nov 9 2009, 07:05 PM
diesel
Nov 9 2009, 07:36 PM
QUOTE (PackerJB @ Nov 9 2009, 06:15 PM)

I wanna hear what TT has to say. Probably not much as always...
All I want him to say is 'bye'.
R man
Nov 9 2009, 08:28 PM
QUOTE (diesel @ Nov 9 2009, 11:36 PM)

All I want him to say is 'bye'.
Good riddance from me.. The train has left the station Mike and Ted...
mzahn
Nov 9 2009, 10:30 PM
Read some of the comments left. What some idiots!
ChicagoPackerFan
Nov 10 2009, 05:45 AM
IMO either you keep both TT and MM or get rid of both.
Hiring a new HC and still having TT building the same type of team could be a big mistake, and could lead to many more years of bad to average teams nomatter who the HC is.
philh64
Nov 10 2009, 05:51 AM
QUOTE (ChicagoPackerFan @ Nov 10 2009, 07:45 PM)

IMO either you keep both TT and MM or get rid of both.
Hiring a new HC and still having TT building the same type of team could be a big mistake, and could lead to many more years of bad to average teams nomatter who the HC is.
My thoughts as well. If I had to choose one or the other to go, I would choose TT. Although I would prefer both.
ChicagoPackerFan
Nov 10 2009, 05:55 AM
Normally this would be the defining year of these two guys tenure.
And so far I would say its a failure, and if it ends up at the end of the season the same way, it makes no sense to keep these two guys around the Green Bay Packers organization. Things will not magically be better next year, not with a coaching staff and offensive line that needs to be revamped.
Packer Backer NY
Nov 10 2009, 05:56 AM
QUOTE (ChicagoPackerFan @ Nov 10 2009, 08:45 AM)

IMO either you keep both TT and MM or get rid of both.
Hiring a new HC and still having TT building the same type of team could be a big mistake, and could lead to many more years of bad to average teams nomatter who the HC is.
Agreed. Dump both. I blame TT for even hiring MM in the first place. Why would you hire the worst ranked OC in the league as your new head coach??? Probably the same reason you take a flyer on a guy like Justin Harrell.
philh64
Nov 10 2009, 05:59 AM
QUOTE (Packer Backer NY @ Nov 10 2009, 07:56 PM)

Agreed. Dump both. I blame TT for even hiring MM in the first place. Why would you hire the worst ranked OC in the league as your new head coach??? Probably the same reason you take a flyer on a guy like Justin Harrell.
Maybe if TT sticks around he will wait and see who the 32nd ranked OC at the end of this season is and take a chance on him.
ChicagoPackerFan
Nov 10 2009, 06:08 AM
You are going to need a HC that will make major changes to the way things are done, and a GM that will make some bold moves in the off season if you want to changes things around quickly.
Both MM and TT have pretty much given the impression that they are not willing to take this approach. Yes MM did make somewhat of a bold move hiring Capers and implementing the 3-4, but he seems unwilling to make major changes to his so far ineffective offensive philosophy.
I say bring in a defensive minded HC and hopefully he will pick a good offensive coordinator that he will actually let run the offense.
Packer Backer NY
Nov 10 2009, 06:10 AM
QUOTE (philh64 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:59 AM)

Maybe if TT sticks around he will wait and see who the 32nd ranked OC at the end of this season is and take a chance on him.
"He has tremendous upside!"
MI_Cheesehead
Nov 10 2009, 06:21 AM
QUOTE (ChicagoPackerFan @ Nov 10 2009, 06:45 AM)

IMO either you keep both TT and MM or get rid of both.
Hiring a new HC and still having TT building the same type of team could be a big mistake, and could lead to many more years of bad to average teams nomatter who the HC is.
The door is really opening for Murphy to make a statement and put his stamp on this organization. If things continue to go downhill, we will find out a lot about this guy's leadership.
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