ricky
Nov 9 2009, 10:46 AM
This is a little later than usual because I had to recover from that debacle in Tampa. That was a team effort- every coach and player contributed to snatching an ignomious defeat from the jaws of victory. Congratulations fo Ahman Green. Everybody else should take a long look in the mirror, and do their best to salvage a winning season, because that's all I think this team can possibly achieve this year.
I'm not sure that Rodgers survives this game. Literally. Andre Ware is going to look like he lined up in the backfield every time the Packers have the ball. Tony Romo is now 13-1 in November after Dallas defeated the Eagles Sunday night. The Cowboys, after a slow start, have turned their season, and look to be the winners of the East, as the Giants are rapidly shrinking.
Will the Packers rebound? Quite seriously, and I don't want to see too pessimistic, but I doubt it. The defensive collapse in Tampa, Rodgers getting repeatedly sacked (again), and a team that came out looking flat (again). It looks like MM has lost the team, or the team has simply given up on itself.
Well, for the first time, I'm having serious doubts about this team. I still believe the talent level is decent, but there have to be some changes at the top. MM needs to go at the end of the season, and TT has to be told to be more active in FA or else he'll be shown the door. I hate to type it, but I don't think this game will be competitive very long. I'd say the Packers likely to have 40-50 points scored on them, and I really am doubtful Rodgers will finish the game.
Wow, what a downer this year, that began with such high expectations, has become. A Vikings fan just asked, "What next? Detroit?" I had no comback- kind of like the Packers Sunday.
PackerJB
Nov 9 2009, 10:47 AM
41-26 Dallas. Hopefully this is the last damn time we see MM & TT.
ChicagoPackerFan
Nov 9 2009, 11:14 AM
I have been normally upbeat about a Packer win, forget it this weekend. I just hope the Packers hold it together enough to prevent a big embarrassment.
Dallas will be over confident though, I'm sure they are expecting to crush the Packers. If we get out of this game without Rodgers getting injured I'll be happy.
Packer Backer NY
Nov 9 2009, 11:53 AM
Cowboys: 38
Packers: 17
Rodgers has a bad game. Not entirely his fault. No running game. Dallas defense just too much for our inept OL.
This should not even be close.
Jeremy
Nov 9 2009, 12:59 PM
Hopefully they run the ball about 50 times, even if they fall way behind. Just for the sake of Rodgers' health.
ammek
Nov 9 2009, 01:10 PM
QUOTE (ricky @ Nov 9 2009, 08:46 PM)

Andre Ware is going to look like he lined up in the backfield every time the Packers have the ball.
I hope Dallas chooses to play Andre Ware at LB, rather than DeMarcus. We might still be in it in the third quarter that way.
Not sure how to take this game this week. The nature of this team is hard to grasp. Seems like they have the potential to beat any team at times, yet stinkers like Sunday leave you wondering which team will show up. I have a gut feeling that Lambeau, in November against Dallas is a win for GB. I just think that all involved will be a little more passionatwe this week and the attention to detail will be on high alert. Packers in a slugfest. 34-30
Heatseeker
Nov 9 2009, 02:31 PM
Seriously, if I put the over/under for sacks Rodgers takes at 5.5 for this game. What are you taking?
JASIII
Nov 9 2009, 02:34 PM
QUOTE (Heatseeker @ Nov 9 2009, 04:31 PM)

Seriously, if I put the over/under for sacks Rodgers takes at 5.5 for this game. What are you taking?
I'd be a bit optimistic and take the under. If the game were at Dallas I'd take the over.
Skyshadow
Nov 9 2009, 02:54 PM
I believe in Tony Romo's ability to choke on this one.
LambeauLeap
Nov 9 2009, 03:03 PM
It would only be the fitting that a victory over the Dallas Cowboys marks the turning point in the Rodgers era.
I don't care how. Just win.
Jeremy
Nov 9 2009, 03:04 PM
Someone actually started the Tampa Bay defense in my fantasy league this week and reaped the benifits. you know it's sad when TB is considered a good matchup play against the Packers.
Unfortunately I won't find Dallas on the waiver wire.
Deus Nova
Nov 9 2009, 03:06 PM
Dallas: 45
Green Bay: 6
This is going to be a bye week for the Cowboys.
Be_Here_Now
Nov 9 2009, 03:12 PM
we've been in the games against the good teams on our schedule. clearly we were looking past the Bucs, and it cost us big time.
i think we'll be in this one too, but whether that's enough to pull out a surprise win, who knows? we have the talent to hang with anybody, but we'd better have a plan to stop their pass rush. i'm not convinced their defense is that great across the board. obviously they have some talent (ware, ratliff, jenkins), but they're not special as a unit.
PackerJB
Nov 9 2009, 03:53 PM
QUOTE (Heatseeker @ Nov 10 2009, 04:31 AM)

Seriously, if I put the over/under for sacks Rodgers takes at 5.5 for this game. What are you taking?
WARE ALONE WILL BE OVER 5.5.
Seriously though, I am scared for Rodgers. Losing the game is one thing, but losing Rodgers will be the end of the season for sure.
ricky
Nov 9 2009, 05:25 PM
QUOTE (Heatseeker @ Nov 10 2009, 04:31 AM)

Seriously, if I put the over/under for sacks Rodgers takes at 5.5 for this game. What are you taking?
Is that just for Ware, or for the entire Dallas defense?
ricky
Nov 9 2009, 05:30 PM
QUOTE (Skyshadow @ Nov 10 2009, 04:54 AM)

I believe in Tony Romo's ability to choke on this one.
Romo is 13-1 in November since taking over as QB. The only choking I'm expecting is Packers fans, choking in rage. Then again, maybe we could chip in, and Jessica Simpson could attend the game.
NecessaryRoughness
Nov 9 2009, 05:31 PM
TT is the whipping boy right now.
Favre got his revenge. Jim Bates got his revenge last week as DC of TB (passed over by TT as HC).
Now, Wade Phillips gets another shot at revenge on TT (also passed over for HC when they hired MM instead).
Three weeks in a row!
The Bears or Lions should just go ahead and hire Bob Sanders, it's a proven trend, gauranteed win.
ATLPACK99
Nov 9 2009, 05:48 PM
If we can't get pressure on Josh Freeman why would anyone think we could get pressure on Romo. We are going to get stonewalled, like we do against the Vikes. Romo will have 300+ yards passing with big plays being made by their RBs out of the backfield.
Cowboys 34
Packers 17
chamuko
Nov 9 2009, 05:53 PM
Cowgirls: 55
Packers: 6
Rodgers gets sacked 12 times.... Maybe more, maybe a new record for a single game???
MM talks about fixing problems, pad levels, how happy he is with his staff and so.... TT is again hiding under his desk.
I just hope Rodgers is alive and in one piece after this one.
And yes we are stuck with the 2 stuborn clowns for a couple of more years !!!
PackerBronco
Nov 9 2009, 06:42 PM
My prediction:
Packers come out flat and fall behind by 14+ points.
Early in the game while driving for a potential score, Ahman Green fumbles the ball. Though replays show it clearly to be a fumble McCarthy throws the challenge flag and the play is quickly upheld.
Packers leave the field at halftime to boos from the fans.
They rally in the 2nd half and are down by a single score by the start of the 4th quarter thanks to some desperation throws by Aaron Rodgers.
They make some bone-headed mistakes down the stretch and end up losing by 14+ points.
Rodgers plays valiantly throughout the game, but is clearly hobbling by the end. With the game out of reach, Matt Flynn plays the last meaningless series and throws an interception.
On Monday morning it is announced that Rodgers is done for the year. McCarthy says this is "gut check" time and that he is confident that the team will respond. He blames the loss on things that need to be corrected.
saucyjak
Nov 9 2009, 07:04 PM
QUOTE (PackerBronco @ Nov 9 2009, 08:42 PM)

My prediction:
Packers come out flat and fall behind by 14+ points.
Early in the game while driving for a potential score, Ahman Green fumbles the ball. Though replays show it clearly to be a fumble McCarthy throws the challenge flag and the play is quickly upheld.
Packers leave the field at halftime to boos from the fans.
They rally in the 2nd half and are down by a single score by the start of the 4th quarter thanks to some desperation throws by Aaron Rodgers.
They make some bone-headed mistakes down the stretch and end up losing by 14+ points.
Rodgers plays valiantly throughout the game, but is clearly hobbling by the end. With the game out of reach, Matt Flynn plays the last meaningless series and throws an interception.
On Monday morning it is announced that Rodgers is done for the year. McCarthy says this is "gut check" time and that he is confident that the team will respond. He blames the loss on things that need to be corrected.
I wonder if A Rodgers Injury is what it will take for MM to realize there are issues with his coaching staff
diesel
Nov 9 2009, 07:20 PM
I have picked the Pack to win every game thus far. Dallas 31, GB 17. Sack total. over. 8 for the Cowboys. Thanks alot Ted.
Phishtar
Nov 9 2009, 07:21 PM
Well, I'll start off with my prediction:
Dallas: 44
Green Bay: 24
I stand by that. This is a serious mismatch on paper. The Cowboys have a solid running game, a mobile QB, a dominant pass catching tight end, and a quality defense. Not only that, but the last time the two teams met, it was a total, thorough, butt-kicking. There is no way I would put money on the Packers. I don't know what the Vegas odds are, but I'd give the Cowboys at least 7 points in this game.
Now ... here's why I'll watch the game anyway:
Wade Phillips sucks. So does Raheem Morris and Brad Childress, but it's not like the concern has to be over facing a dominant head football coach. This is the kind of game the Cowboys have been taking dumps in over his tenure. They will be favored to win, expect to win, and be high off of a huge road win over the Eagles. I have never felt Phillips had any control over this team. Look, I know. We suck. It's been a hard thing to accept. But it wouldn't surprise me to see the Cowboys come in unprepared for the game and for the Packers to put together four solid quarters of good football.
packinatl
Nov 9 2009, 07:35 PM
QUOTE (Be_Here_Now @ Nov 10 2009, 05:12 AM)

we've been in the games against the good teams on our schedule. clearly we were looking past the Bucs, and it cost us big time.
i think we'll be in this one too, but whether that's enough to pull out a surprise win, who knows? we have the talent to hang with anybody, but we'd better have a plan to stop their pass rush. i'm not convinced their defense is that great across the board. obviously they have some talent (ware, ratliff, jenkins), but they're not special as a unit.
They are not special at all, they are only 6th in the league in sacks and only 7th in the league in points allowed...we should dominate
Lambeau5
Nov 9 2009, 07:52 PM
I hope we come out and run some no huddle, screens and draws. Slow down the rush. I also would like to see them allow Rodgers to call plays. I know it wont happen in this game but what the heck....
VA_PackFan
Nov 9 2009, 08:30 PM
Green Bay 28
Dallas 10
LambeauLeap
Nov 9 2009, 08:41 PM
QUOTE (Phishtar @ Nov 9 2009, 09:21 PM)

I don't know what the Vegas odds are, but I'd give the Cowboys at least 7 points in this game.
I doubt Vegas will be giving the Cowboys any points but I love your optimism.
Cowboys -2.5
The GM
Nov 9 2009, 09:05 PM
I got a feeling the heat isnt all the way up on TT and MM yet. When Dallas and San Fran come up here and roll us at Lambeau back to back, the heat will reach epic proportions and the mobs will form.
Well lets be honest. We all know we're gonna lose to Dallas. Somehow that team has had our number for nearly 2 decades. What we need to do is overlook this week, play the 3rd stringers, and start prepping now for San Fran and Detroit.
QUOTE (Be_Here_Now @ Nov 9 2009, 03:12 PM)

we've been in the games against the good teams on our schedule. clearly we were looking past the Bucs, and it cost us big time.
Is this a joke? At no point in either vikings game were we ever in it.
ATLPACK99
Nov 10 2009, 01:34 AM
QUOTE (Rob @ Nov 9 2009, 10:15 PM)

Is this a joke? At no point in either vikings game were we ever in it.
We were within a score in both games. I was fully expecting the real question to be "What good teams have we played?"
bvbagel
Nov 10 2009, 04:29 AM
here, let me put an end to this thread. the packers forgot to show up. the cowgirls had their way with the packers, and MM says all the problems are fixable...
Heatseeker
Nov 10 2009, 07:22 AM
Packers are not a good team.
But ya know what? Neither were the Bucs.
Every team has their day. This week, it's the Packers. I think they get back on the winning side of things with a solid performance. Something tells me the Cowboys are due for a letdown game.
Skyshadow
Nov 10 2009, 07:50 AM
I love the level of unreasonable pessimism in this thread, like the guys predicting only 6 points.
Last week sucked, but you play that game 10 times and even these Packers win 9 of them. And I didn't see anything last week that would make me think the Pack can't still put up points -- let's try to remember that they're scored more than 20 points in every game so far this season.
Rob
Nov 10 2009, 09:25 AM
QUOTE (ATLPACK99 @ Nov 10 2009, 01:34 AM)

We were within a score in both games. I was fully expecting the real question to be "What good teams have we played?"
Football's a great sport because you have to watch the games to actually know what it was like. The stat line and even the final score don't always reflect the level of play. The Vikings were in firm control of both games from the get go.
stuffin
Nov 10 2009, 10:04 AM
QUOTE (Skyshadow @ Nov 10 2009, 09:50 PM)

I love the level of unreasonable pessimism in this thread, like the guys predicting only 6 points.
Last week sucked, but you play that game 10 times and even these Packers win 9 of them. And I didn't see anything last week that would make me think the Pack can't still put up points -- let's try to remember that they're scored more than 20 points in every game so far this season.
And lets not forget in all the losses they gave up 30 points or more.
And I think the Dallas D will hold THE PACKERS under 20 points.
Be_Here_Now
Nov 10 2009, 11:17 AM
QUOTE (packinatl @ Nov 9 2009, 10:35 PM)

They are not special at all, they are only 6th in the league in sacks and only 7th in the league in points allowed...we should dominate

wasn't our D ranked 3rd?
Rob, we were definitely in those Vikings games. both of em. of course, as you said, you actually have to watch the games because the final score can be misleading. if you remember (and i fully understand blocking this game out), we were within 5 in the 4th quarter, and we were on the move. but of course, Rodgers got sacked, we missed a field goal, and lost. but we were still in it. it hurt like hell, but it was a closer loss than 12 points might indicate. same with that miserable effort against Tampa. i'm completely disgusted by that game, but it was still a closer game than 10 points might seem.
East_Texas_Cowboy
Nov 10 2009, 12:23 PM
Long time no see.
I think you guys are being a little bit tough on your team, I have seen most of their games and they make such correctable mistakes it is hard to think with their talent level that they can't turn it around.
2 losses to Minnesota, not as bad as it seems beings how Minn is a complete team on a roll.
1 loss to TB, when it rains it pours, and it was pouring that day.
1 loss to Cinn, who beat the Ravens twice and they beat Pitt who handed Minn their only loss.
This team has the #7 offense, the #4 defense and 3 of their 4 losses have been serious contender teams!
As a Cowboy fan, GB actually scares me more than Philthy did, mainly because Rogers is one of the best QB's in the league and he is capable of scoring from anywhere on the field, on any play. Dallas isn't going to hang 12 sacks on Rogers, or rush for 300 yards on this defense. It will be a much closer game than you guys are thinking.
Bud
Nov 10 2009, 12:33 PM
QUOTE (East_Texas_Cowboy @ Nov 10 2009, 03:23 PM)

Long time no see.
I think you guys are being a little bit tough on your team, I have seen most of their games and they make such correctable mistakes it is hard to think with their talent level that they can't turn it around.
2 losses to Minnesota, not as bad as it seems beings how Minn is a complete team on a roll.
1 loss to TB, when it rains it pours, and it was pouring that day.
1 loss to Cinn, who beat the Ravens twice and they beat Pitt who handed Minn their only loss.
This team has the #7 offense, the #4 defense and 3 of their 4 losses have been serious contender teams!
As a Cowboy fan, GB actually scares me more than Philthy did, mainly because Rogers is one of the best QB's in the league and he is capable of scoring from anywhere on the field, on any play. Dallas isn't going to hang 12 sacks on Rogers, or rush for 300 yards on this defense. It will be a much closer game than you guys are thinking.
Interesting perspective ETC. Thanks for sharing. I agree with you that it will be a close game. I think the Packers will pull it out though but it'll be a battle. Can't wait for kickoff. Good Luck to you and your team.
Skyshadow
Nov 10 2009, 12:47 PM
As a side note, this Sunday is going to be the toughest day of the year -- I either get a Packers loss or a pissed off wife. It's always hard for me to decide which is worse.
I suppose I could mitigate that second prospect by not jumping around and screaming like an idiot if the Packers win, but realistically I think we all understand that ain't gonna happen...
Jeremy
Nov 10 2009, 12:51 PM
QUOTE (Rob @ Nov 10 2009, 10:25 AM)

Football's a great sport because you have to watch the games to actually know what it was like. The stat line and even the final score don't always reflect the level of play. The Vikings were in firm control of both games from the get go.
We were something like 29 yards short of the go ahead TD in the 4th quarter. We were in that game. Maybe it shouldn't have been that close, but it was. So it's not accurate to say we were never in that game. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say "we should not have been in it in either game".
Leader
Nov 10 2009, 01:32 PM
QUOTE (Skyshadow @ Nov 11 2009, 02:47 AM)

As a side note, this Sunday is going to be the toughest day of the year -- I either get a Packers loss or a pissed off wife. It's always hard for me to decide which is worse. I suppose I could mitigate that second prospect by not jumping around and screaming like an idiot if the Packers win, but realistically I think we all understand that ain't gonna happen...
Sky - a safe presumption that your wife is a Cowboy fan???
Well not to interfere, but when you got married you said something about "having & holding each other in sickness and in health......?" Well - dont shortchange her! She probably would understand that you're the "sicker" party at this point and in need of her support.
If that doesnt work....rent the last Simpsons Movie.
Homer has an insightful couple of lines that could use to ease your marital pain. LOL
Skyshadow
Nov 10 2009, 04:17 PM
QUOTE (Leader @ Nov 10 2009, 01:32 PM)

Sky - a safe presumption that your wife is a Cowboy fan???
Well not to interfere, but when you got married you said something about "having & holding each other in sickness and in health......?" Well - dont shortchange her! She probably would understand that you're the "sicker" party at this point and in need of her support.
If that doesnt work....rent the last Simpsons Movie.
Homer has an insightful couple of lines that could use to ease your marital pain. LOL
Yup, she's from Fort Worth.
Fortunately, our relationship is at least partially based on the fact that we can and do give each other grief about this sort of thing. Trying to be nice to each other about it would probably be way worse.
So I need to hope the Packers bust 'em up. I still think having #12 on our side gives us a chance against anyone.
djprotege
Nov 11 2009, 08:42 AM
Ok, I dont post much cause I just like reading everyone's comments. But I cannot take this anymore. As a packer fan reading this, you would think this was a cowboys forum. I completely understand everyone's frustration with this team, as I am frustrated also.
I honestly think we are in every game every week. Why? Because we are an NFL team, anyone can win on anyday. (TB over Pack) We have had some big breakdowns on the field, and we were still in both the Vikings games. We just didn't finish the job. Cincy is way better than anyone would ever imagine. There are obviously things that this teams needs, either being O line or whatever. I think the Vikes are better than the Cowboys this year, and I think we give the Boys a good run.
I bleed Green and Yellow thats for sure. I am from St louis and my whole basement and bar is Packered out. But I am also a realist. Picking the boys to win by over 20 and the Packers scoring 6 is just ludicrous. We avg 32 points a game. How you think we are only going to score 6?
I think we have the players to have a good team. I think the coaching needs inprovement. But being so negative is not good for the team or the fans.
But lets rally our team together and bring home a win in Lambeau!!
mzahn
Nov 11 2009, 12:13 PM
QUOTE (djprotege @ Nov 11 2009, 10:42 AM)

Ok, I dont post much cause I just like reading everyone's comments. But I cannot take this anymore. As a packer fan reading this, you would think this was a cowboys forum. I completely understand everyone's frustration with this team, as I am frustrated also.
I honestly think we are in every game every week. Why? Because we are an NFL team, anyone can win on anyday. (TB over Pack) We have had some big breakdowns on the field, and we were still in both the Vikings games. We just didn't finish the job. Cincy is way better than anyone would ever imagine. There are obviously things that this teams needs, either being O line or whatever. I think the Vikes are better than the Cowboys this year, and I think we give the Boys a good run.
I bleed Green and Yellow thats for sure. I am from St louis and my whole basement and bar is Packered out. But I am also a realist. Picking the boys to win by over 20 and the Packers scoring 6 is just ludicrous. We avg 32 points a game. How you think we are only going to score 6?
I think we have the players to have a good team. I think the coaching needs inprovement. But being so negative is not good for the team or the fans.
But lets rally our team together and bring home a win in Lambeau!!
Great post and I agree! People are just venting now. I have a crazy feeling the Pack might pull this one out too! Keep up the positive thinking!
Skyshadow
Nov 11 2009, 12:51 PM
QUOTE (djprotege @ Nov 11 2009, 08:42 AM)

But lets rally our team together and bring home a win in Lambeau!!
I'm with you, hoss -- it's time to start getting stoked to see the Packers come back from last week and make the Cowboys wish they'd never heard of Lambeau field.
PackerJB
Nov 11 2009, 12:59 PM
QUOTE (Skyshadow @ Nov 12 2009, 03:51 AM)

I'm with you, hoss -- it's time to start getting stoked to see the Packers come back from last week and make the Cowboys wish they'd never heard of Lambeau field.
Fantasy, not reality.
Skyshadow
Nov 11 2009, 01:33 PM
QUOTE (PackerJB @ Nov 11 2009, 12:59 PM)

Fantasy, not reality.
Reality is that on any given Sunday your team has a chance to win. That includes this Sunday.
Big Dave
Nov 11 2009, 01:51 PM
Losing is not an option this weekend, folks.
Things may not have gone to plan so far, but a W against the 'girls and it could do wonders in restoring our once proud franchise.
Lose?
We put the second foot in the grave.
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