Not sure if this has mentioned anywhere else. Al Harris has lost steps! Saw him get burned a bunch yesterday! In fact many times this year. Probably not a revelation for most that post here. However, one thing that really ticked me off yesterday. On the last TB scoring drive Al knocks down a pass, then goes and lectures Freeman on how he shouldn't throw his way. Freeman then toasts Al on the very next play! Al, shut the freak up and play! Have you not had a pass defensed before? Do you really need to fire up their O when you and the D have been sketchy, and are on your heels at the moment? Hope that pride tasted good as you had to gulp it down after popping off! Please...Al...can we just let your play do the talking for the rest of the year? Thanks man.

Harris has always "had a mouth", but until Plaxico ate him alive last January was able to back-it-up.
This is also another example (of the countless) of MM/Capers NOT using players to their strength. Harris is a classic bump & run CB, NOT a zone coverage man... and the Packers are playing a majority of snaps in zone. Al will continue thinking that he's great until told otherwise by the coaches, unfortunately there's not a youngster behind him that's a better option.

Al Harris is washed up plain and simple. Anyone who thinks this guy is still a top CB needs to quite living in the past of 3-4 years ago and see age and time has caught up with him. Thats why teams throw at him and not woodson because they know WR's can beat him up and down. The Packers need to dump Harris, Bigby, and Bush. They are the 3 worse cover DB's on the team. Bigby offers a little run D but that is about it. Harris and Bush provided pretty much nothing.

And guess what, who has TT drafted to replace him? Nobody worth mentioning.

Tramon Williams doesn't count?

Ok but he wasn't drafted. So then who would replace Williams as the #3? Bush?? Blackmon? Lee? It's a joke.

Freeman said the ball was taken by the wind and that if it wasnt Harriss was in good position to break it up. The receiver seen the ball moved by the wind and made the adjustment to make the catch. But Karma is a b%tch I dont like it when a player starts jawing with the opponent after a play then has a play go against them. These defensive players need to" act like they been there before" when they make a play.

Al Harris can still cover, he is way down on the list of problems this team has. He never has been a speed burner, but he's almost always in position to make a play. Sure gets burned from time to time. He's not a Hall of famer, just a very solid CB that just about any team would love to have.

As far as the talking goes...isn't that the swagger some of you want?

Swagger and jawing are not the same.

I'd rather have execution than swagger. That reminds me of what "creamsicle TB coach" John McKay said back in the day, and I'll reiterate... as for the Pack's execution this past Sunday, "I'm in favor of it!"

Harris won't be appreciated by a lot of Packer fans until he's gone.

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You were saying?

Harris is one of the smaller concerns the team has right now. But judging the way the OLine has developed, we might have a bigger issue when he's still the starter in 2 years and we have no one to replace him. Woodson is still a gamer for now as well, but he's starting to see the sun set and wants to win it all before he's done. If he gets disgruntled and wants a trade, we're really out of luck, with only one possible starter left in Tramon Williams.

We have a few needs that can't all be met in a single draft year. If TT is still around after this season, he better start dealing.

Nice stats, mazrimiv. Just more proof about how terrible Al Harris actually is.

Those that rail on Al Harris do NOT understand what it takes to play CB in the NFL.

There is not a single player or coach or ex-Player or ex-Coach in the NFL who would consider joining their chorus.

Never was railing on Al's play, but he's on the decline. Why wouldn't he be, he's getting old. He's still a real good corner and I'm glad we have him. However, just venting my frustration with his jawing. Just my preference, but I hate it when players make a play and act like they've won the lottery. As for the condescending "people don't understand what it takes to play corner in the NFL," duh. Please enlighten us Bruce. My apologies if you've played corner in the nfl or are an ex-nfl player or coach. Players or coaches on lower levels don't technically qualify because, well, they don't have nfl experience.

If you were not railing on Al's play my post was probably not directed your way.

But since you are jumping on my post and think that Al deserves to be called out

Are you likewise going to heap on the praise as Al Harris took the hottest WR in the NFL over the last month Miles Austin all day long and rendered him useless with his meaningless catches gaining nothing until garbage time and a total game stat of 4 catches for 20 yards -- a 5.0 average???

BTW I do know what it takes to play defensive back in the NFL, as to whether or not I could enlighten you has much more to do with your openness and ability to learn than what I have to offer.

IMO Al Harris is a consumate professional defensive back that young corners should watch tape of and emulate as much as possible. He is a guy that leads by example and takes the time to work with younger players, stay late at practice and in the film room to help them learn the game. I think Woodson is a great Pro too.

Did you read the stats on the season???

Harris has allowed only one touchdown, according to STATS, and teams have completed just 46.5 percent of the passes thrown at him. Woodson has given up five touchdowns and 57.9 percent completions.

Do you have anything to say about that or is that simply evidence of his decline???

Yes I am. He did a great job yesterday. Which isn't a surprise. We've seen him do that many times. In fact, a few times I saw him just clap after he made a play, instead of flapping the lips. Love the majority of his play, just not all of the extra garbage. However, that must be part of his game because it happens often. Just wanted to be clear on the intent of my original post. Keep in mind this came after being pissed and frustrated after the bucs lost. I recall reading a couple of posts of yours after that game that made me think you were a little ticked as well.

I was and am ticked after the debacle in Tampa.

I understand what you are saying, and say again that I was not targeting my response to you. Rather it was aimed more at guys like GBP4EVER, who I like, but know he is totally irrational about players like Harris and Bigby and what it takes to do their jobs.

I have no hard feelings towards you or anyone. However, I do think that fans too often take talented defensive back play for granted - especially if it is not flashy or showing up in the stat sheets.

A few got their wish with Harris likely to miss plenty of time with a knee.

Most likley out for the year . A no contact injury never is good. I for one will miss Harris as leader and a great cover corner. He is quite simply a pro's pro and he will be missed. Many will see the rest of the year how valuable he is to the Packers defense. He is the Driver of the defense a fiery competitor that lifts the team around him with his play and passion to play a game he loves.

Man, I hope not...mostly for the reasons you listed and also because he's just been a great Packer. I hope it's not serious. Didn't get to see what happened, if you could shine some light on it, I'd appreciate it.

just speculation BigBudman on my part. I have just seen no contact injuries far to often to feel optimistic. Both Kampans and Harris's injuries appear to be serious because there knees just gave out. BothI presume are very serious since they were not able to but weight on them. My only hope is they were being precautious. however if you look at both of them as they were carted off they both knew it was bad.

FML!! why do my favorite players always go down! now we're gonna see how important al is to this D. nice how stafford threw 5 td's today, btw. now he's gonna throw all over our harris and kampman-less d next week

I just hope Al isn't out to long and he recovers fully. Stafford was playing the Browns and I'd like to thnk that the Packs defense is better than those guys. Pass rush against the Lions will help the cover guys out too. Capers will have to work his magic.

Have to agree with WB, I suspect these are serious knee injuries.

National Football Post says Harris is done for the year... torn ACL

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I have a feeling the 'Harris Haters' will be missing #31 the next 6 weeks (hopefully more than 6)....

Well I started this thread and I HATE the fact that Al is gone. Never was a hater, or thought we had a better option than 31. Just not a trash talk fan, but understand it's part of Al's game. He will be sorely missed, and I pray Tramon can step up like he did last year.

If it's more than 6 weeks, we probably won't be missing him that much.

ditto...guy has been a leader on defense. I pray he makes a full recovery. Damn going to miss that guy.
hope we just didn't witness his last game as a Packer.