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Rob
Anyone else seeing the striking similarities to last season? Same record at the halfway point, same listlesness, same inability to get to the passer. What happened to the quick slants from 2 years ago? Why is every pass play a 50 yard attempt or nothing?

Look at the schedule going out. We could easily end up 6-10 again.
WB PackerFan
QUOTE (Rob @ Nov 9 2009, 03:53 AM) *
Anyone else seeing the striking similarities to last season? Same record at the halfway point, same listlesness, same inability to get to the passer. What happened to the quick slants from 2 years ago? Why is every pass play a 50 yard attempt or nothing?

Look at the schedule going out. We could easily end up 6-10 again.

Yep!! I agree and that is coaching. I held out hope for MM. I now know he is not the man for the job. As far as TT if he gets another year and he does not address the Oline he should be gone. I watched Colledge get blown into the backfield far too much!!
sledhed
QUOTE (Rob @ Nov 8 2009, 09:53 PM) *
Look at the schedule going out. We could easily end up 6-10 again.


I was thinking along the lines of 4-12. There isn't a team left on the schedule that can't beat the Packers that played today. The Lions with Stafford and Johnson could be another humiliating experience.
Rob
Especially on Thanksgiving.
ammek
QUOTE (Rob @ Nov 8 2009, 11:53 PM) *
Anyone else seeing the striking similarities to last season? Same record at the halfway point, same listlesness, same inability to get to the passer. What happened to the quick slants from 2 years ago? Why is every pass play a 50 yard attempt or nothing?


I don't see many similarities with last season beyond the superficial ones you mention. Last year we faced a tough schedule; by midseason we had hung with the Titans, beaten the Vikes, and trounced the Colts. This year, we have played three good teams and been outplayed by all three. We have played four pathetic teams with nary a win between them, losing one — our only defeat to sub-.500 opposition last year came late in the season in Jacksonville.

Rodgers' sack fetish is a new development, as is the anti-blocking of the offensive tackles. The run defense is light years better than last year, but Williams, Harris, Bigby and (to a lesser extent) Collins are now struggling. The coverage problems on special teams emerged in the second half of 2008 but are becoming drastic. The locker room seemed much less agitated last year.
ricky
QUOTE (Rob @ Nov 9 2009, 04:54 AM) *
Especially on Thanksgiving.


Nope. No way. Never. Thanksgiving is far and away my favorite holiday. The inimitable Mrs. ricky is already asking for my input for the traditional feast. There is now way I am eating this delectable repast while watching a Packer loss to the Lions. I went through that in 1963, when Jerry Kramer invented the "look out" block. That means that after letting Alex Karras or Roger Brown blow past him, he'd turn and shout to Starr, "Look out, Bart."

True story.
DanA
QUOTE (ammek @ Nov 8 2009, 04:09 PM) *
Rodgers' sack fetish is a new development,


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stuffin
QUOTE (Rob @ Nov 9 2009, 04:53 AM) *
Anyone else seeing the striking similarities to last season? Same record at the halfway point, same listlesness, same inability to get to the passer. What happened to the quick slants from 2 years ago? Why is every pass play a 50 yard attempt or nothing?

Look at the schedule going out. We could easily end up 6-10 again.


After last week’s loss to The Vikings, I posted that I was starting to see parallels to last season. While they seem to find new ways to lose each week, some things are just like last year. For example, the Defense can't get a significant stop(s) during the second half (hold the lead). The penalties have been carried over from last year, the play calling is the about the same, and of course there is the losses. I actually think we have the potentially to lose every game.
ammek
QUOTE (stuffin @ Nov 9 2009, 03:17 PM) *
For example, the Defense can't get a significant stop(s) during the second half (hold the lead).


Not easy when, in the fourth quarter, the offense gives up a pick-six, and the special teams an 83-yard kickoff return.

Have the Browns and Lions games been forgotten completely?

Tampa Bay needed 25 offensive yards to score 28 points. The rest of the game, it put up 10 points. It went three-and-out on four of six second-half drives, including three straight drives to begin the half. Its lone touchdown drive of more than 17 yards only happened because a penalty overturned Hawk's interception.

It wasn't perfect, but you can't blame the defense for this one. This is definitely not the same D as last year.
stuffin
QUOTE (ammek @ Nov 9 2009, 08:58 PM) *
Not easy when, in the fourth quarter, the offense gives up a pick-six, and the special teams an 83-yard kickoff return.

Have the Browns and Lions games been forgotten completely?

Tampa Bay needed 25 offensive yards to score 28 points. The rest of the game, it put up 10 points. It went three-and-out on four of six second-half drives, including three straight drives to begin the half. Its lone touchdown drive of more than 17 yards only happened because a penalty overturned Hawk's interception.

It wasn't perfect, but you can't blame the defense for this one. This is definitely not the same D as last year.


I didn't blame them, I said they didn't come up with the plays when they needed to. Same as last year.

25 yards or 200 yards ya still need a stop and it is not gettin done.

I was expressing similarities to last season, not blaming anyone.

No offense intended, but I am WEARY of people rationalizing what is causing the losses. I think we all know some areas of this team just aren't playing well and that negative energy is transferring to other areas of the team. It doesn't matter whether the D makes the play, the O or ST, but somehow this team's needs critical plays to be made and maybe the good energy will spread.
ricky
QUOTE (WB PackerFan @ Nov 9 2009, 03:56 AM) *
Yep!! I agree and that is coaching. I held out hope for MM. I now know he is not the man for the job. As far as TT if he gets another year and he does not address the Oline he should be gone. I watched Colledge get blown into the backfield far too much!!


Wow- remember, Childress came through GB first, and ended up in Minny. MM then simply outcoached Chilly by a wide margin- until Favre joined the team. Then, suddenly, the tables turned in a hurry. I still think that MM is a better coach than Chilly (the last two contests notwithstanding). The difference is striking it rich with Peterson, and being willing to spend some bucks/draft choices to get excellent players. Building a team for today, rather than aiming for the future. So, I believe the blame should be shared by TT and MM. However, it is up to MM to motivate the team, build a decent staff, and play to the strength of the players TT gives you. MM has struck out on all three of these fronts. Therefore he needs to go. TT should be "strongly encouraged" to take a long, interested look at FA during the off-season. Be more pro-active, or be deactivated.
Lambeau5
QUOTE (ricky @ Nov 9 2009, 07:58 PM) *
Wow- remember, Childress came through GB first, and ended up in Minny. MM then simply outcoached Chilly by a wide margin- until Favre joined the team. Then, suddenly, the tables turned in a hurry. I still think that MM is a better coach than Chilly (the last two contests notwithstanding). The difference is striking it rich with Peterson, and being willing to spend some bucks/draft choices to get excellent players. Building a team for today, rather than aiming for the future. So, I believe the blame should be shared by TT and MM. However, it is up to MM to motivate the team, build a decent staff, and play to the strength of the players TT gives you. MM has struck out on all three of these fronts. Therefore he needs to go. TT should be "strongly encouraged" to take a long, interested look at FA during the off-season. Be more pro-active, or be deactivated.

Not to nitpick but Chilly never made it to GB. Minny signed him before he could interview. Thank God.
SoTxPhil
QUOTE (stuffin @ Nov 9 2009, 03:41 PM) *
I didn't blame them, I said they didn't come up with the plays when they needed to. Same as last year.

25 yards or 200 yards ya still need a stop and it is not gettin done.

I was expressing similarities to last season, not blaming anyone.

No offense intended, but I am WEARY of people rationalizing what is causing the losses. I think we all know some areas of this team just aren't playing well and that negative energy is transferring to other areas of the team. It doesn't matter whether the D makes the play, the O or ST, but somehow this team's needs critical plays to be made and maybe the good energy will spread.


Last yr GB was in just about every game until the last few downs. We do seem to have alot of key injuries again this yr. I thought the defense played relatively well against Tampa and we would have won the game other than a few penalty calls at just the right time to keep the ball in TB's hands. It was our STs that lost this game in every category, blocked punt for a TD, KO for an 83 yd return, short punts all day and still nobody down field to meet the ball catcher which gave him big returns, and of course the holding calls on nearly every KO or punt we returned. Maybe MM needs to hire the Badgers ST coach, he always manages to pull out games with big ST plays or unknown players over the yrs.
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