sorry but we need a HC change this week THIS team has given up on MC they looked like they did not want to be there and could care less that they lost to a winless team. Someone better take them to there plane they are LOST
The entire team has quit on there coach time to move on and take tt with him. A Rookie QB throws 34 times and you can manage one sack? stupid penalties lead to pts for TB poor ST not one aspect of our team looked like they belonged there today or even wanted to compete and when that happens its time for a change.

It wont happen this week however unless he goes 6-2 the rest of the way he is toast. Next is TT, his inability to address the O-Line, the most important aspect of any team deserves a demotion. I will not tolerate this brand of football. I am a patient person and have battled the posters that have critiqued both TT and MM . I will no longer this is a sad day when you cant figure out how to beat a 0-7 team. Unacceptable and purley disgusting.

Why does Campen still have a job?

Not only that, but a game they needed to have to keep pace in the wildcard hunt.

It should happen this week I seen a team that has not won snice last OCT (I belive?) out play a team that has way more talent and no hart!

If you fire a Head Coach midterm you typically get a interim head coach from within

I say let them both finish the year, then clean house. They both need to go before this turns into a decade of losing.

Something tells me, however, they will be around for a few years.

The only thing that gives great credibility to your fears of them being around, is Wisconsin's tendency to be fiscally conservative and the BOD being all Wisconsin businessmen. I really hope your wrong, 18 mill is a lot of cash

Although I do agree that MM has to go (this is a sea change from what I felt when the season began), firing him during the season is not a good idea. First of all, who would replace him? I know- bring in Cowher or Holmgren, etc. That will not happen. Period. Replace MM with...

Now, the question is, once the season is over, should the Packers just cut ties with MM and eat his contract? I wouldn't mind a buyout package, since it wouldn't apply to the salary cap. This would be the best way, since this would be the cleanest and most honest way of dealing with this situation.

My goodness- I have been staunchly behind TT, and, by reflection, MM for years. Now, I am pretty much unalterably behind the decision to let MM go, and give TT a year or so to change his tune, and get more active in free agency, or else- goodbye.

How did this get so bad so quickly? A season that started with so much hope has turned into "the winter of our discontent".

I agree. Coaching is how this thing turned south so quickly. Too many players believing the "hype" of the preseason without playing a game. The coaches, IMO, have done a poor job of getting the player's heads into the game. Penalties should be a fixable problem. Special teams being a point of emphasis and criteria for making the roster should be a fixable problem. Sacks (whether it is the line, AR or a combination) should be able to be lessened to a degree.

Schemes don't seem to be adjusted. Play calling doesn't appear to change. The linemen don't even appear to take pride in their performance (or maybe I should say they don't seem to be properly embarrassed). AR is taking the same approach now that he was 25 sacks ago. Changes and adjustments start with the coaches, and MM is ultimately responsible for his team. They play undisciplined and uninspired football. These last two weeks have been demoralizing to me as a fan.

It's not just coaching, though.

The Packers lack talent.

They have no depth, either - at any position!

If you take out the economics of it, Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy should probably both be fired.

Giving these two another year would be a big mistake, they could ruin the career of our franchise QB Rodgers.

I didn't like ethier hire at the time, but you forget all that and hope they succeed, well they haven't.

If you are going to fire the head coach might as well bite the bullet and clean house and dump "stick with my plan to the bitter end" TT.

good point yesterday our frist big play was to jones on a deep route so it seems we tried that same route 10 times and what does the cover two do best take the deep ball away. ugh and lee is all I can say

Starting this week I'm on board with the idea that McCarthy's got to go, but I wouldn't look for it to happen during the season -- teams who fire guys mid-course don't see improvement during the year (can't really switch over like that) and have a harder time recruiting decent coaches (who don't want to be treated that way down the line).

TT should be on the phone with Gruden and Cowher, see if either of those guys might be interested in the job. I'd think Gruden would jump at the chance to get out from behind that mike.

Er... Right.

MM hasn't made the most of what TT's given him. He's apparently not really good at developing players (aside from Aaron Rodgers, who yesterday aside has still developed into one of the best QBs in the league) and doesn't have a good enough staff to overcome that. Okay. But you can't sit there and tell me that we don't have the talent, because I've seen these guys play. MM just can't use it.

Nothing against MM personally -- he had his shot and couldn't hack it as a HC. It happens all the time in the NFL. But we can't just sit on it.

Ya. I think Thompson could very well try and buy himself some time by cutting McCarthy and trying to land a bigger fish like Cowher.

Not sure what the love affair with Gruden is on this board. He had his share of issues in Tampa both on the field and in the locker room. Please NO

Not sure the talent is at a very high level. There is one common thread that is hard to ignore and that is #4. During on period of time this staff won 23 of 26 games. Since #4 has left we are 10-14. And look who those wins are against. Now lets turn to Minnesota. Did Childress and Bevel get to genius level overnight. And look at Sid Rice?

This is not about Favre loving of hating or Thompson loving or hating or for that matter McCarthy. Favre helped McCarthy look much better than 13-3 and he is making Childress look much better than his record shows. And its not just the coach but the talent level also. Favre has elevated the play of guys like Rice and Harvin, do you think Sage or T Jackson would have the same success?

I think the Packers did the right thing in the Favre situation, so I don't find that argument particularly compelling.

Yeah, I'm with you on that one. Not a fan of Gruden.

I think Cowher is probably a pipe dream. Maybe Shanahan, as much as I can't stand that guy.

... DOM CAPERS! While he hasn't had long-term success as a head coach, would more than adequately direct the '09 Packers to a better finish than it appears MM would.

I also believe that AR's success/development is due to Tom Clements, and NOT MM. TT can buy himself one more year to prove himself if he makes the changes below (IMHO):

Fired: MM & James Campen

Promoted: Dom Capers to Interim HC; Winston Moss to DC; Jerry Fontenot to OL coach (Power run blocking, protect AR at all costs pass-blocking!).

Playcalling duties: Joe Philbin, with the order to "turn it loose, while minimizing AR sacks". This can be accomplished by more power-running, better run/pass balance, shorter passing attack with more emphasis on YAC, and UNpredictable playcalling in general.

Thanks for your efforts, McCarthy, but your best was not good enough in Green Bay.

I agree. Nobody mentions his 4-12 season or the 8-8 the year after. Or his late season and playoff failures. Even if we concede Favre's veteran savvy could help the offense overcome some of McCarthy's idiocy, I'm not seeing a championship team the last couple years. A QB can only do so much and Rodgers is still very good and has many good years ahead of him if they can get him an offensive line and doesn't get killed in the meantime.

Rodgers right now is like a man who marries a widow after she lost her first husband of 30 years. Not only does the new guy have to compete with the widow's dead husband, he has to compete with only the positive memories, with the negatives being forgotten.

this is not about IF we should have kept Frave or any one decision but the body of work as a whole which to me adds up to OUT the door.