Has anyone else read JS today? Notes and the Blog?

IMO this guy just don't have what it takes to be a HC. Very disturbing comments if ones; such as this board here of well informed fans know about football.

For instance:

1.) Asked about player's frustrations on Defense- "This is a team and not about Pro-Bowlers. We are ranked 4th in Defense right now." That is mis-leading as one takes away the Browns and Lions game stats; we would be ranked 21st. Second; how do players make the Pro Bowl anyways? By making big plays at the right time and changing game's outcomes (hopefully). It is the coaches jobs to use your best players abilities to put them into positions to make plays. Kampman is excellent with his hands down. If White was still here (God rest his soul) could anyone see him playing LBer or being happy with the current Defense and garbage MC is saying? Heck No. And this goes equal for Caper's comments about his talk with Jenkins as well. Which almost echoed MC's comments word for word.

2.) Really not sure which disturbed me most from MC: "Well we thought about putting Cliffton and Tausch in at halftime. But Cliffton is coming off injury and we don't know if Tausch could hold up. Wait it gets better...Plus Lang and Barbe were playing okay." Say What???????? We are on the way establishing a new record for our QB getting sacked in a season. That means worse then the Dicky years, worse then McKay's Bucs in the 70's and so on. Umm just when is the best time to put them in? After your franchise QB is on IR? Rodgers has a bad toe and foot and can't even practice until maybe Friday. This was one of the biggest home games on National TV outside of a play-off game and he didn't feel the sense of urgency? Something is not right here Packer Nation.

3.) Asked if he would bench Jolly for that bonehead head butt? "Well would love to jump up and down and so on; but what purpose would that serve? That would only hurt Caper's gameplan." Say What? MH would have benched Jolly right on the spot; well really Jolly wouldn't have ever done that move under MH in the first place. He's way too soft (see Rhoades) IMO.

There is a lot more that I could go on with......But this sucks to me..............

I really think MM's tolerance of plays like the one Jolly made will be his downfall. The more MM talks, the clearer it becomes that he truly doesn't see the teams lack of discipline as a problem.

Just curious, did you also remove the CLE and DET stats from the other teams that played them before coming up with that #21 ranking?

EDIT: As far as that goes, I guess you'd have to remove the stats from TB, KC, and maybe OAK games as well.

Great coaches don't hesitate to make tough decisions in big games. MM seems afraid or reluctant to make necessary changes sometimes. He could second guess himself which isn't good when you lead a football team. Jolly shoulda been benched right after that play, at least for more than a play or two.

WWMSD

What Would Mike Singletary Do?

"Grab your helmet Jolly and go to the lockerroom, you are done"

Even though my mood towards McCarthy may be starting to change, I'm going to withhold judgment until the season's over. Only 1/2 the season's been played, so there's a lot of time left from here and now to make changes.

I'm not ready to start calling "off with his head" against Michael J. McCarthy when the Packers are still very much in the playoff race. Instead of chasing him with torches and pitchforks and running him out of town, I'll just keep him on the hot set and crank the heat up a little bit.

MM's reasoning was to not handcuff Capers defense that practiced all week with Jolly. My message would have been to head to the lockerroom and maybe the veteran leadership, as in players, could have had it out with him. Peer pressure so to speak. Send the accountability message that way. You're letting your teammates down when you get tossed on the bench for unacceptable mistakes..

Same here, Vots.

Granted, my criticism of him lately has gotten a bit more heated, but I'm not going to sit here and assume the season can't be turned around. Like I said, if we can somehow beat Tampa AND Dallas, we're 6-3 and looking not completely bad as far as the wild card goes. Granted, lots of very tough football comes toward the end of the season, but regardless, it's one game at a time at this point. Most of us in pre-season were already looking ahead to the playoffs. Now that they've been bullied around a bit in the first half of the season, we'll see what this team is really made out of now that they have to fight each week for their playoff lives.

If it were Holmgren, he woudl have called Jolly to the sidlelines and head butted him with his bare skull.

And made him say, "Thank you, coach!"

Seriously, though, you make a damned good point. It's been more than a decade since this team has had a coach the players were actually afraid of. I've been a supporter of McCarthy for most of his time here, until this year. For most of this season, I've been officially on the fence, watching the performance of the team and willing to let the season play out before judging the man. But at this point, I think I'm just about ready to give up on him. A player takes a stupid, unnecessary penalty that costs points in a crucial game, and the coach doesn't see the point in disciplining him because the damage is already done? This is a football coach, or a Cub Scout pack leader?

I think McCarthy's finally lost me. He's in over his head. He's just not cut out to be the head coach of a professional football team with that kind of mindset.

I seriously cut MM slack also. A-Rod's first year and a young team; we all knew there wasn't a chance to go SB last year. But now some players are in their 3rd and 4th years with FA coming up after this season; the team should be showing considerable improvement and all I'm hearing is distention among the ranks. Every team now days has about a 4-5 year window before FA starts taking it's toll. Sort of like college.

Anyways, anyone read Butler's 5 Questions yet? Unfortunatly, it only adds more fuel to the fire on MM needs to go. Suggest reading it. It really sucks. This team should be gelling and instead it's the players yelling and not the coaches.

I never thought the MM hire was a great one, at the time I thought it was an awful decision. Then in '07 MM looked like a real genius with his use of the 5 wide formation, he seemed like a coach who 'gets it' and is willing to be flexible and adapt the scheme to his players. What happened since then? The lack of accountability on this team is mind blowing. If this season plays out the way it appears it will, with mediocrity, and MM doesn't fire both Campen and Philbin (WHAT does he DO anyway?) I'd say MM has to go. He just seems too locked into his 'system', as if he planned the whole thing out and is following that plan come hell or high water. Well, the water's getting pretty deep if you ask me. His game planning, play calling, and gameday decisions have to improve. Over half the times he's challenged a play on the field have been terrible decisions. His teams have hardly ever appeared ready to take the field. They don't show up for the big games, they make terrible mistakes on the field, very little player development from one year to the next...the list goes on and on. There is talent on this team, it is not being used correctly.

Good call GM. I think the Packers need a tough coach like him.
The thing is, I thought McCarthy was this tough guy from Pittsburgh who was a no non-sense guy, apparently not, he's as soft as Charmin.

I can't really disagree with any of the critcisms that are being brought against MM. What's interesting to me is to think about Childress, is he somehow now a better coach than McCarthy? Posters here have been highlighting his ineptitude since he was hired, and rightly so. Jeez, I troll a Viking forum once in awhile, purplepride.org, and they've wanted his head since his first year(before this year of course). Maybe he is a better coach, I don't know. He's the one that comes off kinda soft, IMO.

So, is it mostly talent then? The Packers roster has plenty of talent, but probably not as many "game changers" as the Vikes. Who's the GM up there? Is he the real mvp of the Vikings, putting together that roster?

I said it in another thread and I'll say it again; I wish Parcells was available. How sweet would that be to have a tough, smart coach here again?! Sigh!....

Bill Cowher would be fine. Make him an offer he can't refuse.

As much as I HATE to say this Favre apparently even makes coaches look good.

Wow. You guys are like a knitting circle. Once someone gets started, everyone's got to chime in.

Yes it worked well with Dallas didn't it? Parcells is too old to be a head coach now.

Just because MM doesn't make a scene on the sidelines or criticizes his coaches and players in public we all think he's a softie. Unless those of you who are remarking about this were in the lockerroom and heard what really went on anything we say here is pure conjecture. If the team tanks in Tampa on Sunday then MM has truly lost his team. We shall see...

Yes, it did. He brought Dallas back from being a laughingstock, and now Wade Phillips is slowly taking them back there.

Phillips gets credit for that great first year, but it was Parcells' work finally bearing fruit. They haven't been the same since then.

Some people are saying that we have to be more patient and give this team and coaching staff the year to formulate a fair evaluation. But, that doesn't hold water because the evaluation has been going on since Favre left and riddled with words and not actions. Last year, the excuse of choice for MM was pad level and fundamentals. This year, it's been fundamentals and down & distance. Lately, it morphed into inconsistency and an inexplicable desire to commit penalties on nearly every play. Ok Mike, we get it. You're not in control of your team and haven't a clue as to why. Please Mr. Murphy, find us a HC, and better yet a GM, worthy of at least restoring home field pride to mighty Lambeau! I'd fall out of my chair if Cowher came in.

Seriously? Who coaches well under Jerry Jones? Everywhere else Parcells has been he's been a huge success. Personally, I'd be pumped if we had him. Cowher would be cool too. I want some fire and accountability from the coaching staff again. It's been a while.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true

This just goes to show that we really have a problem here. The NFL puts out a list of players that were fined for doing stupid crap and the Packer have the most players on that list out of all the teams. This is not ok.

The one thing that I see missing on this team is vet leadership and that goes hand in hand with the constant theme of being the "youngest team" in the league. Sure Woodson and Driver are vets but that does not make them leaders. Someone who will get in their grill both on the sidelines and in the locker room. This is also where Thompson misses the boar on free agency. You dont have to bring in pro bowlers all the time it would be nice but lets be real. You also need to look for those guys who have been to war, who have won championships even as role players.

We all are critical of Campen and McCarthy and yes they deserve it . But lets also remember that this is the same staff that won 19 of 22 games from the end of 2006 to the beginning of the 08 season. Did they all of a sudden get stupid and forget to how to coach and game plan? Aaron Rodgers is a great young QB, sure he has been in the system but the reality is that this is year 2. We are set for years at QB. But now GOOD defensive coordinators have film on him and are taking things away, he needs to see that and adjust. Favre was like a coach on the field, IMO he masked some of talent issues on this team as well as some of McCarthys coaching flaws. And its not just about changing plays at the line or reading defenses, its about changing protections when necessary. Rodgers will learn that.

I for one do not think coaching is the major issue. Its lack of talent. Sure there are some good NFL players on this team but overall it does not stand out and say there is something special other than Rodgers, Jennings, Woodson... maybe Collins maybe. Folks that is the making of a average football team, one that goes 9-7 / 10-6 / 8-8.

Which so far is an improvement over last year. And by my guess, before preseason, what many people were expecting for this team this year.

Last year we were killed by injuries so hard to know that for sure. Again lets assume this team is a 9-7 / 8-8 type team. There are some key areas on this team that are NOT young. Can Jones and/or Nelson replace Driver as a #2 WR? Is there any real answers at LT and RT? Who do you trust behind Woodson and Harris?? As far as the #2 WR depth maybe but the jury is still out, the rest IMO NO. This was supposed to be Thompson strength, using all of the extra picks to build depth and have these guys ready when the Drivers, Woodsons and Harris's of the world hang it up. That depth is just not there.

Whatever you say, both sides of that argument have been done to death.

I think too many people fell for what this team could be during preseason. And they're simply upset that our team has not lived up to those expectations. Which is fine. But we're undeniably a better team than last year.

Okay. That did it. Now I KNOW you're Ted Thompson!

I like to wear my shorts a little bit looser. And I'm not a huge fan of sunglasses.

Another lack luster performance. say what u want, but it's not TT's job to get this team fired up and ready to play. I swear it's like the team is half asleep when they take the field. I see more passion on this board than on the field, and that's not right. that's not how it should be. HAVE SOME FIRE.

I used to be a supporter of MM, but not after today. It is time for him to go. In fact, the whole offensive staff has to go. That line is terrible. It is a good thing that Rodgers can take a hit, because if he couldn't we would now be looking for our 3rd or 4th QB. Don't wait until the end of the season, can him now.

Embarrassing yes, but not all that much moreso than last year.

I do.

When I see players making dumb penalties in crucial situations, I can only conclude that the team is undisciplined and stupid. When was the last time an undisciplined team won the Superbowl? How about never? And the penalties are the mistakes that the average fan sees. What most of us don't see are the mistakes that occur when an assignment is missed or improper technique is used.

The bottom line is that this is a poorly-coached team and forgive me if I jump to the conclusion that this is due to a poor coach.

I could not agree more. This is a poorly coached team. Helen Keller could see that for crying out loud!