Says he felt, "handcuffed" yesterday.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/68436002.html

It's inexcusable that we haven't seen a single 43 look this season.

Maybe if our "guys who have been to the Pro Bowl" could cover Harvin or Shincoe, maybe we would have a shot!
3 of these guys ran into each other on the pass to Harvin. Ball should have batted down period.
Or when Woodson got beat by Shincoe for the first TD.

Put up or shut up.

Yeah, I agree gbpack, that pass to Harvin was in the air a while, I can't believe the way the three players played that. Woodson almost tipped that pass, but it was well thrown. Our defensive secondary/linebackers didn't make the plays yesterday.

Woodson, now Jenkins. Hawk doesn't seem happy... Who's next?

Honestly, I just think it was a terrible gameplan from McCarthy & Capers. On that 3rd and 16, 17, whatever it was, rushing three...

I wanted to put my head through the TV.

The Packers couldn't get to Favre when they brought more guys. I'd have relied on my secondary to make the plays there as well.

The rushers have to take responsibility for the fact that they couldn't get to the QB when they were asked to do so.

Well it did look like Steve Hutchingson and Mckinie were enforcing their law yesterday, still I like the fire in Cullen. Admit I wonder why this d has been good at stopping the run, and so poor at getting to the passer. Peterson did not go over 100 yards on the ground either time versus Pack. For some reason though the QB pressure was just not there...

Speaking of defense, has anyone seen the #9 pick in the NFL draft?

Michael Crabtree has already done more than Raji at this point.

Gotta say I think he has done pretty good considering the injury setback. IMO he is not starting because Jolly, Jenkins, and Pickett are playing so well. When Raji has seen time he is stopping the run. Unfortunately the D line really needs a pass rush, and Raji probably not much help there...

re: lack of pass rush

remember, that #4 guy is one of the best at subtle movements in the pocket to avoid pressure and buy an extra second. back in the day he used to take off when he felt the heat, but over the years he's developed into probably the best at moving within the pocket to fool rushers into taking poor angles and buy time.

its incredibly frustrating to watch blitzer after blitzer not get to him, and though it seems like a systemic issue, it pretty much has only happened against the viqueens.

all that being said, that 3 man rush was indeed a poor decision. gotta bring one more from somewhere.

I thought Favre did get a little pressure on that but he was able to slide within the pocket and find the open reciever. Not like it was a whole lot of pressure but maybe I'm not thinking of the right play.

Brett got plenty of practice avoiding the rush his last three years with the Packers. It cracks me up when people say the same O-line was better in 2007 than 2008 why? #4 is why. AR will get there fast too if it doesn't kill him first.

At least somebody is angry about this. MM does not seem to have any fire or passion over it.

Thats Favre's little brother! edit I can't stand that guy never could

Vinnie I have to agree with Capers in the last sentence of the article

Think it is personal?

Favre said it in his PC that it was Ted not the fans.

GB's fans have been very good to Favre, the 4ward foundation his Fathers death his brother-in-laws death, and deana's breast cancer, it better be about Ted. He sure didn't think out the scenario very well alot of fans are upset with him.
As for his stupid little brother, this isn't his fight. He is such a jerk. I'll IM the stories I have dealing with him.

Interesting article. Favre's seen it all. To think it's easy to rattle him is just plain naive. I don't like that he's playing for the Vikings. I hated how he left but he has to be respected on a playing level. Forget the personal level. The QB has seen it all and he is still pretty wise. 0-8 for Capers against Favre led teams is not all on Capers. To think otherwise, imo, is not fair.

From the beginning, I did not think that Capers could put together a solid all around 3-4 this year.

I t did not think he had the proper personnel to do it.

Through the weak part of the schedule the problem with the Pack is pretty obvious.

They are about 27th in the NFL in sacks on defense.

Yet they lead the NFL in sacks surrendered.

If you can't protect the QB, and you can't get to the QB, then the better teams will beat you in the pass game no matter how good the secondary is. Its similar to the problem we had last year.

Except now, Capers is overplaying the run. Which works against bad teams but not the good ones who have more diversified offenses with more weapons.

I am really surprised he has not gone to a 4-3 to generate pressure. I mean the following seems impressive to me for a pass rush: Jenkins, Jolly, Raji, AK.

Yet the players say they don't even practice the 4-3.

Go figure.

Ironically, the player that looks the best in the 3-4 is a rookie, Matthews. An excellent choice in last years draft. But given that free agency is not going to be an option as long as Thompson is here, it's going to take a long time to get the personnel in place for the 3-4. Not to mention that many of those 1st or 2nd round picks in upcoming drafts desperately need to be spent on the o-line.

Man people this is a top 5 defense! Like MM said would you rather have a top 5 D where everyone is doing there jobs or 5 PB's who are looking to pad their stats and a D that is 25th?

The Packers defense should be frustrated, but the frustration should be with their play.

Players are paid to execute, leave the coaching to the coaches Cullen.

If you have something to say, say it in the positional meetings or in Dom Capers office - NOT to the media.

This kind of post game whining and public 2nd guessing never helps a team get to where they want to go.

This is so much statistical flim flam.

As Tom Silverstein wrote in the MJS, is you take the Browns game and the Lions game out, the Packers are actually 21st in total defense.

And now the tough part of the schedule begins.

All this reactionary frustration was expected as noted over the summer when it was repeatedly pointed out that it takes (even the very good 3-4 teams) a while to learn and do well in this system. We are only 1/2 way thru the first year of it

Gregg, how can you call it statistical flim-flam and then use a completely meaningless statistic??? That's tortured logic. Yes, I also saw that pathetic attempt at journalism. Silverstein failed to subtract out the fact that OTHER teams have also played the Lions and Browns (OOPS). For that matter, why not subtract stats for any team that is in the bottom third or fourth of offense - since those games don't count? It's a meaningless stat - thanks for your effort Tom, but that's pathetic.

Exactly. This is the same argument I made last week on another board, where people were ridiculing Green Bay's #3 defensive ranking at the time. In Week 8, we still have 6 teams with 1 or 0 wins. I've never seen a year where we had so many really bad teams in the league, and by this point in the season almost everyone's played a couple of them.

Where would Pittsburgh be ranked if you take out the Tennessee, Cleveland, and Detroit games? Where is New England if you take out Tennessee and Tampa? Where is Baltimore if they hadn't played Kansas City and Cleveland? Chicago without Cleveland and Detroit? Philadelphia without Kansas City and Tampa? And for that matter, Minnesota's played Detroit, Cleveland, and St. Louis. Every one of these teams has played just as many suck teams as the Packers have (sometimes more), and every one of them is still ranked behind - even way behind - Green Bay in the defensive standings.

There are a lot of things you can criticize or question about the way Green Bay's defense is playing, but at the end of the day you can't deny they're doing pretty well regardless. Yeah, there's a lot of room for improvement in the sense that I know the best is yet to come from this D, but right now - as a Packer fan - I'm quite comfortable with how my team is playing on that side of the ball.

First, my advice to Cullen jenkins would be take care of your own business before you comment on anyone else. No matter what the scheme is, football is about winning indidual battles. MM has said this more than once recently, and he's right about that at least. When is the last time you saw Jenkins in the QB's face?

With that said, I'm stunned that I haven't seen the 3-4 defense I envisioned. Guys lining up all over the place, bouncing around everywhere pre-snap, overloading one side of the line, delayed blitzes... I could go on and on.

A Packers blitz this year has been Kampman coming from the left edge. And/or Matthews blitzing off the right edge. Big surprise. That's already accounted for in protections schemes. So is sending the 2 ILBs twisting up the middle. Once in awhile they'll send Woodson or someome else from the secondary, but not very often.

Everything they do is very predictable, and they give it away beforehand the vast majority of the time. It's not the aggressive, "you don't know where we're coming from" type of defense. It's either the OLBs are coming off the edges, or the ILBs are coming up the middle. Not that hard to block.

But again, with all that said, it's still about beating your man. Look at the Eagles. Yes, I know they play 4-3. But they're going to blitz every 3rd down. Everyone knows it. Yet they're still able to put pressure on the QB consistently.

I expected 3-4 version 2 after the bye week, but it's just more of the same.

With as little as they play Raji, I would think they could play some 4-3 looks like we were told last summer. Huge disappointment that they have not found a way to use Raji.

I think it is telling when a guy like Jolly comes up with a stupid penalty, to give up an extra 4 points, and publicly fails to take ownership and responsiblity. The team has not come together as a team, and Jolly doesn't understand how he let his team members down. It is clear to me the coaches have not "gotten through" to the team and does not have everyone on the same page.

I gotta disagree with you on this one. When a handful of guys are having a lousy season, it's on the player to get it together. When there's breakdowns across the entire team, it's on the coaches.

The Packers problems are on the coaches. This whole "It's on the players" thing is nonsense. We have coaches for a reason. They serve a vital role in the success of a team. You can't dismiss that and put it all on the players. When you have a widespread, team-wide problem, that's on the coaching.

What about when you have widespread, team-wide success... ?

Then you have a good coach.

You're not gonna have widespread, team-wide success with a bad coach. You may have one good year if the previous coach was top-notch, but the team will fall off after that (see: Dallas after Parcells left, San Diego after Schottenheimer was fired, Oakland after Gruden left). Or you may even have one freak year where the cards fall just right, but is quickly proven to be a fluke, rather than good coaching (see: Mangini in New York, McCarthy in Green Bay [to this point, at least]).

A good coach can't make a terrible team great, and a bad coach can't make a great team terrible, but they can tilt the pendulum enough to make a difference. A team like the Packers is right there on the precipice - coaching is what will push them one way or the other. A great coach could make this team great. A mediocre coach will...well, you've been watching the games.

It seems with this team, for every failure of the OL, there's a success of the turnover margin. I bet if you start counting them up, you start to run out of negatives for the positives.

Not trying to bust balls or anything, but I don't understand this statement. Are you saying the good things about this team outweigh the bad? I have to disagree with that sentiment.

You've got it spot on. And our record bears this sentiment out.

The Queens have the 19th rated defense and have played
the Lions and Browns(and Rams) also.
Not a tremendous argument.
And I can't believe you think that TB is that tough.

Go Pack!!