Posted a 155 QB rating this week (AR is now second only to P. Manning in that category for the season despite the OL woes.) .

Yet, interestingly enough, Esiason doesn't even list him in his top ten QB's and AR doesn't get a mention from Sanders or Mariucci on the NFL Network highlight show.

What do you suppose is up with that?

Hope he keeps it up and finally shows all those damn critics that he's a more than capable QB. He's fun to watch that's for sure.

Thats easy...They are all Brents buddies...

FWIW, the local radio sports guys out here were breaking down their top 5 QBs this morning, and each and every one of them included Rodgers.

That's more like it!

Who is this guy Brent that some guys keep referencing???

Rodgers played his high school football in Northern California and played college ball in the bay area .. it is only likely that the local radio stations (KNBR & KTCT) would consider him top five. But saying that, Rodgers is playing at a very high level and doing this without a great offensive line. He has a strong arm, good pocket presence, and will only improve as the years go on and his ability to read defenses gets better and better. Therefore, I would consider him top 5.

I'd say it's a no brainer. Who should rank higher? In no particular order I think the top 5 right now are:

Brees
Brady
Rodgers
Favre
Manning

Schaub, McNabb, Rothlisberger and Eli all have their days when they warrant consideration too.

Until Rodgers puts up some winning seasons, and at least one SB win, he won't be seriously mentioned. After all, its not as if he plays in a big media city, like NY, or has had some very early success (yet), like Brady. Then again, Warner had great success in a small media city (St. Louis), and was adored for a few years- then ignored for many more, before he resurrecected himself in the desert (after forty days and forty nights?)

Hopefully, Rodgers and the Packers (I'd really like to start hearing "Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers" sometime soon) will not have to part ways, but will meld into another juggarnaut like I saw in the '60's.

Well, I can dream, can't I?

Just to say, I think "no respect" is the most boring thing in the world.



Pro Football Reference runs a stat called ANY/A (adjusted net yards per attempt) which factors in picks and sacks to its formula. It has Peyton Manning far and beyond any other QB so far this season. Then comes a group of nine QBs all fairly closely bunched together: Brees, Rodgers, Schaub, Romo, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Orton (!!), Brady and Eli Manning. That feels about right to me. There's quite a gap afterwards to Favre, Flacco, Ryan...

Orton is the big surprise. He has thrown one interception in six games. Schaub is flying under the radar much more than Rodgers, but is quietly having a big season on a team with no running game.

Did everyone ignore Elway before he won a SB?

I don't think a SB win is as important. Winning seasons for sure and getting deeper in the playoffs as well.

Maybe more than 22 starts as well.

Packers/Browns game didn't get a lot of discussion or highlights in general for obvious reasons. I wouldn't read too much into it.

AR's biggest weakness right now is his ability to make plays in the red zone. He's being very cautious, which isn't all bad. But at some point you need to make plays and get in the end zone. Not much space down there, but with his arm streenght and accuracy he should be able to thread more n there than he has been.

Win on Nov. 1 vs. the Vikings and Rodgers will get all the respect he can handle.

With a Viking/Farve pelt on his wall and a 5-2 record going into the TB game, he'd easily be in the top four with Brady, Manning & Brees.

This is the kind of game that legends (and team confidence) are built on. I hope Rodgers succeeds.

He led the league in QB efficiency in the redzone last year, FWIW.

Yeah I don't understand where this "Rodgers is weak in the red zone" thing came from. He's tremendous there.

Rodgers will get his respect when he deserves it by putting together a winning season. Top 10 stats but mediocre seasons don't get it done. You either have to be on an established winner or you have to be putting up numbers that are threatening to re-write record books. At this moment, Rodgers is neither.

He's a top 10 QB, no doubt. But so are 9 other guys.

I think that would be the idea, winning seasons (plural) and getting deep into the playoffs.

Rodgers, as a QB, has something that many 1st round picks don't; he is now starting his 2nd year as a 5th year player. It does throw things for a bit of a loop, but he has shown great promise. This promise (some will call it potential) is coming out very well and yes, time is the biggest obstacle at this point.

I also agree that while he has one of the best QB efficiency in the red zone, he does not to make TDs for GB and not settle for under 25 yd FG attempts. He has a history of not turning the ball over, which is a very good thing, but getting the ball in the end zone would be better; I think he is getting better this year and hope he will get the TD% further up in the future.

What are our redzone stats with Rodgers as our QB anyway?

It's interesting that Jay Cutler has gotten as much respect as he does with his 12-15 record. He hasn't accomplished anything, but people were saying the Bears got over when they gave up Orton a couple 1st rounders and more for him.

I guess he does have a few more games under his belt, but not that many more.

I think Aaron is fantastic. In fact, knowing how young he is, and how good he is already, should do nothing but bring a huge grin to your face.

Favre is long gone, and this is his replacement? How lucky are we? The rest of the league would kill to have that kind of continuity at the QB position for this many years in a row.

Here's the kicker, though. He's Top 10 in numbers, for sure. Could he be Top 5 in numbers at the end of the year? Of course. But 'Elite' status? I don't see it happening. YET. To be 'Elite' as some have mentioned, you have to have the big W's and the stats.

The real test will be this weekend against Minny. As much as it pains me, Minny is Top 5 team in the NFL. If Aaron can go out, play well(275+, 3 TDs+, 0 TOs), and the Packers win. I think that elevates his 'Elite' status more. The big, BIG win is eluding Aaron. Bears game doesn't count for me, it was Week 1 folks. I mean, he's proved to me he can beat the god-awful teams of the world...I want Aaron to get that signature win.

This is his chance.

I think we win in a close one. Losing Winfield hurts big time.

I thinks thats its close also. Will be interesting to see how we game plan without #88 in the lineup. He was a factor in the dome.

LAST year, not this year. He's also holding on the ball too long at times, causing more sacks. That's something else he didn't do last year.

This isn't meant to rip him, the guy is a very good QB. But the question was about lack of respect. If he was more efficient in the red zone this year, let's say he would have another 5 TD passes, those numbers would stick out more.

By the way, that 155.4 QB Rating is a franchise record. No other QB in Packers history has ever posted a QB Rating higher in a single game. It was against the Browns but its still very impressive. I really don't get where people pull this stuff that Rodgers isn't good in the red zone. Over the last two years Rodgers is among the best. Most of the Packers offensive struggles in the red zone have to do with a terrible running game and play calling. Rodgers can usually get it in the end zone if he is allowed to pass. McCarthy has been trying to run the ball in and our weak OL keeps getting stood up at the LOS. I'll bet if you look at it closely. The Packers offense as a whole in the red zone doesn't look good statistically but I'll bet you Rodgers numbers are off the charts when passing in the red zone.

they're not off the chart. 15-24 (63%) which is good, but not off the charts. However, only 4 TD passes inside the red zone this year. That's a problem. YES the play calling, running ame, etc. all factore in to that. But the red zone really separates the men from the boys at QB. He hasn't been horrible, never said that. He simply needs to make a few more plays and score TDs, and that's on MM too.

4 TD passes from inside the red zone plus a rushing TD.

Also, I'm don't really see how you can count those other 6 TDs against him just because the team didn't bother stopping in the red zone on the way...

Rodgers helping the Pack to victory this Sunday would be a great signature win. There is no doubt that he is in the upper echelon of NFL QB's though

I never said I was counting those 6 TD passes against him. In fact, that's part of what makes him special- he's able to score from anywhere on the field.

Most analysts consider AR to be top 5 or damn close. Many include him in elite category. The ones that don't put him there at this time leave him out for 1 reason....RECORD. Not his fault imo and in time his record will even out and go above .500. So I would say that inside of 2 years at most he will be considered by 99% of analysts as elite.

I know what you're saying, but just take the Lions game for example. What was it, after the 14-0 lead, 4 trips to the redzone that resulted in 4 field goals and a lost fumble? Plus a sack in the redzone that lost them 9 yards and killed the drive? That kind of stuff can't happen, it's an area where they can all improve.

Better O-Line and he's almost a lock for being in the "top 5" if that was a real position.

Really all opinions... with the exception of dreadful teams like the Rams or Browns.

Still record is the most important, IMO. Sure McMahon will not be considered a great QB, but he was the QB for Chicago that won the SB with a fantastic D. But, Marino never won the SB and I believe only made it to 1 SB, as a rookie?? He is a great QB b/c he made his team a lot better and could bring his team back time and again. I don't know what his record was, but Miami usually made the playoffs back, if I remember correctly. Favre is/was the same. He still makes his team better and has the record (W/L that is). The stats are great, but I don't see Cutler as a great QB until his record is above .500, same as Rodgers. Rodgers can make a big step (currently 10-12) if GB wins more games this year and makes the playoffs. If GB goes 7-3 the rest of the way (I am not saying they can or will), then Rodgers record will be 17-15 going into the playoffs.

Even at 16-16 at the end of this year and GB record of 10-6, he will make steps..

Aaron Rodgers was the NFC Offensive Player of the Month for October.

You know, the other thing is he hasn't really done anything yet to grab attention. The media doesn't get turned on by a steady diet of 18-25 272 yrds, 2 TD, 0 INT. We love that consistency. MM loves it even more. But not the media. He hasn't had a 5 TD game or 400+ yard game...no big moments in prime time games..

Just the way it is. Guys like Vick get more hype because it's a bigger story. Someone who is just really good, really consistent, and not flashy will never get the lead on Sportscenter.

With the way our media is, to get the attention, you either have to be Peyton Manning good, have all types of records like Favre, have a hot wife, or be a criminal.

Lets hope Rogers gets 3 of those 4...

ARod will get plenty of attention if he beats Brent this Sunday.

And if he doesn't? It's not fair in that respect because it may not be Rodgers play, but that will be the perception

If he doesn't, then we'll just have to wait a little longer. Eventually the rest of the world will figure out what we already know.