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Bruce
A good question heading into game 7/week 8 of the 2009 season is - what is up with Greg Jennings???

Today Greg Jennings put in another pedestrian performance today with 5 catches for 52 yards. Decent numbers, but certainly not what TT and Packer fans envisioned when Jennings received a $30 million dollar 3 year extension.

For the season Jennings has 22 catches for 356 yards and 1 touchdown. At his current pace Greg would end up with 58 catches for 949 yards and 2 touchdowns - certainly not worth of his top 5 receiver pay he is currently collecting.

Meanwhile 33 year old Donald Driver has 27 catches for 479 yards and 3 touchdowns. At his current pace DD would end up with 73 catches for 1278 yards and 8 touchdowns - certainly worth every penny the Packers are paying him.

Greg was listed with a hip injury, one is left wondering how much that is limiting him, because watching Jennings play he does not look like the same ascending young player that put up such impressive numbers last season. Greg is failing to get separation on most plays and has shown very little ability in YAC for the most part this season, and even has missed opportunities by dropping passes he would have secured in the past..

One thing is for sure, Greg Jennings needs to get healthy and start performing for this team to get to where it hopes to go.
VA_PackFan
I haven't been able to go back and look, but are teams double covering Jennings? Could account for seeing a fewer number of balls thrown his way.
Vots
I just think Jennings is just having bad luck.

There's been a time where he tripped as he caught the ball (which looked to be a sure TD) and a time where he was hit in stride but the guy on him was obviously blazing fast, and tackled him almost immediately.

That's why I say he's just having bad luck and it's too early to judge his season.

Sure he's on pace for 950 yards and 2 TD's. But let's say he gets those couple breaks I mentioned and instead of 356 yards and 1 TD he has 456 yards and 3 TD's.

His pace of 950 yards and 2 scores is now 1,216 yards plus 8 TD's.

That's it. The only thing separating him from a below-average season to an "expected season", is 100 more yards and 2 TD's. Or just 17 more yards per game and .3 TD's per game.

Jennings dropped a couple balls early on, but in the past couple of games he's looked good. It's just that Finley's 50+ reception rate is eating into a lot of looks from Rodgers plus Driver's role is also hurting Jennings.

Jennings will emerge. It's just that Rodgers is spreading the wealth. I see nothing wrong with him. Give the season time.
OH Packer revisited
I'm not too concerned about it. The yardage is being really spread out. Between DD, Finley, Jones, and Nelson there just isn't a lot to go around. In particular I think AR is really looking DD and FInley's way a lot. I was more concerned about his drops earlier in the year. His situation reminds me of Colston in NO. He's a top WR but he is absolutely missing in the stat line sometimes due to that offense.
9Volt
Alot of the long balls to Jennings are not happening because Rogers doesn't have the time for those plays to develop.
PackerJB
Jennings just isn't getting a lot of chances. Teams are focusing on him a lot more than years past. I think he'll be just fine. As long as he plays his best football in Nov & Dec, I'll be ok with his play up to now.
mzahn
It's funny, it seems like every week a different player is getting called out. Is it possible that he just isn't getting the ball thrown to him as much?
VoiceofReason
It's only been 6 games, and I don't believe in projections. Teams have chosen to focus on him, which is why Driver is having a big year. At some point Jennings will have big games, believe it.
rpiotr01
Combination of things: Jennings running deep routes while Rodgers doesn't have time to go deep is one thing.

Last week he dropped 1 TD in the endzone and tripped over his own feet on what would have been another long TD.

Plus he's been getting a lot of double coverage and safeties rolled to his side of the field.

Take Driver's 71 yard TD for example. Driver and Jennings lined up on the same side of the field, Browns blitz but roll safety help towards Jennings, leaving Driver single covered. Both were running about the same route but since Jennings was double covered Rodgers hit Driver and the rest was on #80.

Finley has also been taking some catches away and so has James Jones.

And on top of that, who knows, maybe the hip is bothering him more than we know. Could certainly explain why his breaks aren't as clean this year.
sinatra
Funny. Jennings blows chances and trips over his own feet and it's "bad luck." If Al Harris blows coverage and gives up a play, it's because he screwed up and needs to get his act together.

Jennings has not been playing as hard as he should be and hasn't been running his routes like he has in previous years. In the opportunities he's been given, he's dropped the ball - literally. Jennings needs to step up his game. Period.
Terry
QUOTE (rpiotr01 @ Oct 26 2009, 01:57 PM) *
Take Driver's 71 yard TD for example. Driver and Jennings lined up on the same side of the field, Browns blitz but roll safety help towards Jennings, leaving Driver single covered. Both were running about the same route but since Jennings was double covered Rodgers hit Driver and the rest was on #80.

I recommend reading the JS Online analysis of that play. (Play of the game - the whole piece is devoted to a breakdown of that play.)
craig
QUOTE (sinatra @ Oct 26 2009, 09:24 AM) *
Funny. Jennings blows chances and trips over his own feet and it's "bad luck." If Al Harris blows coverage and gives up a play, it's because he screwed up and needs to get his act together.

Jennings has not been playing as hard as he should be and hasn't been running his routes like he has in previous years. In the opportunities he's been given, he's dropped the ball - literally. Jennings needs to step up his game. Period.


Interesting point.

Jennings has made some mistakes, for sure.

Back in the early part of the season, he made some too.

Cinci game: it was Jennings, the receiver, who had the penalty that ended the game. If the fat linemen could get themselves set, so should have Jennings.

Bears game: he could the big winning touchdown, that was a great play. But it was often discussed how that long pass came to be, right following a timeout. A timeout was called, in the two-minute drill and lots of yards to go, why? Because Jennings didn't know what play was being called and lined up on the wrong side. Good fortune, in that case: his mistake let to a timeout and revised play that won the game and enabled him to be the hero. And perhaps had he lined up where he was supposed to line up in the first play MM's original call wouldn't have worked at all, much less for a game-winning TD.

I'm not ripping on Jennings. A lot of guys make mistakes, and I'm sure we don't notice 99% of them, or discuss most of those we do notice. But I was kind of surprised and disappointed that a guy who I usually envisioned as being a pretty smart guy with his head on straight was making some mental errors in those first games, in addition to some of his physical errors (the drops and so on.)

Hopefully he picks it up.

I do think the point is true that big numbers do depend on a certain number of long gainers. With our poor protection, Rodgers doesn't have time to do many of those, or to necessarily do them well. Jennings isn't going to be able to get lots of chances at those, not enough to drop many of the opportunities he does get.
craig
One last point: I don't think it's always fair to use current contract as a good benchmark.

"certainly not worth of his top 5 receiver pay he is currently collecting."

Salary inflation happens. If all receivers were getting contracts this offseason, I don't expect that jennings would have been one of the top 5. But now was his time, whereas other receivers are still playing under older, less-inflated contracts. Next year and the year thereafter, other guys will get new new deals and pass him again. His won't be a top-ten contract for long, much less top-5.
Bruce
QUOTE (rpiotr01 @ Oct 26 2009, 08:57 AM) *
Plus he's been getting a lot of double coverage and safeties rolled to his side of the field.

Take Driver's 71 yard TD for example. Driver and Jennings lined up on the same side of the field, Browns blitz but roll safety help towards Jennings, leaving Driver single covered. Both were running about the same route but since Jennings was double covered Rodgers hit Driver and the rest was on #80.


Actually, the Safety blitzed and Driver made the perfect read and adjustment on that play - something Jennings has not been doing much of this season.

I really like Greg Jennings and am not ripping him - he simply needs to play better than he has so far this year.

As for the deep route argument others are offering, Greg Jennings (like Driver) has gotten rich off of yards after the catch until this season.

Watch him. He is not running as crisp of routes, is not creating seperation from his man on most plays and even when he makes the catch is tackled almost immediately. Of course their are exceptions, but I have to think either injury or distraction is affecting his play so far in'09.
ThatGuy284
The offense is gaining yards and scoring points - YAC has picked up - Finley AND Lee (umm...and Havner) have become bigger targets, Rodgers is averaging over 14 yds/reception. I believe we are near the league lead in "explosive plays"

Frankly, I don't care if it is Donald Driver or Greg Jennings playing like the #1 receiver. As long as one of them is - we're good.
Bruce
QUOTE (craig @ Oct 26 2009, 10:06 AM) *
Interesting point.

Jennings has made some mistakes, for sure.

Back in the early part of the season, he made some too.

Cinci game: it was Jennings, the receiver, who had the penalty that ended the game. If the fat linemen could get themselves set, so should have Jennings.

Bears game: he could the big winning touchdown, that was a great play. But it was often discussed how that long pass came to be, right following a timeout. A timeout was called, in the two-minute drill and lots of yards to go, why? Because Jennings didn't know what play was being called and lined up on the wrong side. Good fortune, in that case: his mistake let to a timeout and revised play that won the game and enabled him to be the hero. And perhaps had he lined up where he was supposed to line up in the first play MM's original call wouldn't have worked at all, much less for a game-winning TD.

I'm not ripping on Jennings. A lot of guys make mistakes, and I'm sure we don't notice 99% of them, or discuss most of those we do notice. But I was kind of surprised and disappointed that a guy who I usually envisioned as being a pretty smart guy with his head on straight was making some mental errors in those first games, in addition to some of his physical errors (the drops and so on.)

Hopefully he picks it up.

I do think the point is true that big numbers do depend on a certain number of long gainers. With our poor protection, Rodgers doesn't have time to do many of those, or to necessarily do them well. Jennings isn't going to be able to get lots of chances at those, not enough to drop many of the opportunities he does get.


Exactly craig!

QUOTE (craig @ Oct 26 2009, 10:13 AM) *
One last point: I don't think it's always fair to use current contract as a good benchmark.

"certainly not worth of his top 5 receiver pay he is currently collecting."

Salary inflation happens. If all receivers were getting contracts this offseason, I don't expect that jennings would have been one of the top 5. But now was his time, whereas other receivers are still playing under older, less-inflated contracts. Next year and the year thereafter, other guys will get new new deals and pass him again. His won't be a top-ten contract for long, much less top-5.


Actually it was not Jennings time. He had only 3 years of service and was not even eligible for RFA after this year. He was secured based on projected production - which he has not produced so far this season.

I am hopeful that he gets it turned around, Hell I expect him to get it turned around. But Jennings missed a lot of the voluntary work this offseason naming family as his #1 priority - which is his right and may represent honorable values, but if it contributes to diminished play than it is reasonable to question the investment.


PackerJB
QUOTE (sinatra @ Oct 26 2009, 09:24 PM) *
Funny. Jennings blows chances and trips over his own feet and it's "bad luck." If Al Harris blows coverage and gives up a play, it's because he screwed up and needs to get his act together.

Jennings has not been playing as hard as he should be and hasn't been running his routes like he has in previous years. In the opportunities he's been given, he's dropped the ball - literally. Jennings needs to step up his game. Period.

Harsh! Yet so true!
Bruce
QUOTE (ThatGuy284 @ Oct 26 2009, 10:49 AM) *
The offense is gaining yards and scoring points - YAC has picked up - Finley AND Lee (umm...and Havner) have become bigger targets, Rodgers is averaging over 14 yds/reception. I believe we are near the league lead in "explosive plays"

Frankly, I don't care if it is Donald Driver or Greg Jennings playing like the #1 receiver. As long as one of them is - we're good.


That may cut it against the Lams, kitties and brownies, but the Packers need everyone playing their A game to challenge the top flight teams that await on the horizon.

I am looking for Greg to break out this week against a very suspect Vikings defense this week - he certainly needs to perform better than in the first Vikings game where he had an early big drop and only caught 3 for 31 for the day.
The GM
Jennings has been banged up this year. First it was his wrist, and now its his hip (not a easy injury for a WR to shake)
With Nelson and Finley out, The Packers will need him this week , Im not sure where he is as far as his hip is concerned. I look for the Packers to send out 3 WRs (Driver Jennings and Jones) a lot and everybody else is in protecting Rodgers. If Jennings isnt effective, it puts pressure on Rodgers to get the ball to Driver and Jones and more pressure on our OL. That scheme can work against the Browns, Minnnesota will be a much tougher task even without Winfield.
White92
QUOTE (Bruce @ Oct 26 2009, 10:58 AM) *
That may cut it against the Lams, kitties and brownies, but the Packers need everyone playing their A game to challenge the top flight teams that await on the horizon.

I am looking for Greg to break out this week against a very suspect Vikings defense this week - he certainly needs to perform better than in the first Vikings game where he had an early big drop and only caught 3 for 31 for the day.



Is there any chance Winfield is out for the Queens this week too?

rpiotr01
QUOTE (White92 @ Oct 26 2009, 01:57 PM) *
Is there any chance Winfield is out for the Queens this week too?



Yes, he's out a couple weeks with a fracture in his foot.
Packer Backer NY
QUOTE (rpiotr01 @ Oct 26 2009, 01:58 PM) *
Yes, he's out a couple weeks with a fracture in his foot.


That is very good for us!
La Ment
Seems to be several confounding factors. Greg has an unusual number of drops this year and I know Aaron has missed him as being wide open on occassion (taking a sack). I don't know if he is injured, or he's running fewer slant routes (or other routes that offer YAC potential), but I'm not worried about him yet. Yes, the production is surprising, but I think the focus on getting the TE"s more involved this year has taken some opportunities away from the WR's. Also, the desire to ram the ball down the opponents throat when having a comfortable lead takes away opportunities. Like I said, not worried yet.
Traderrob
For this week....who is the 4th WR going to be?? Do they have someone on the practice squad? Because right now it is only Jennings, Driver and Jones and if one gets dinged in the game there goes the 3-receiver set let alone the 4.
Rob
I dont care who specifically is getting the money as long as the receiver corps as a whole is doing ok. I would say that after some god awful drops theyre starting to put it back together.

I'd happily pay Jennings huge contract to ensure double coverage on that one guy then just throw to everyone else. Money is one thing we have in droves so who cares where it goes as long as we do well. It's like having an extra player on the field.
Bruce
I knew when I wrote this a couple of weeks ago it would not be a popular thing to point out. It was not a slam on Greg Jennings, rather an observation about a significant drop in production.

Some players are simply media and fan darlings and even when their production drops they are still considered sacred cows that are beyond reproach.

In today's Sentinal/Journal Bob McGinn tackles the topic (better late than never), very gently mind you, no longer able to ingnore the obvious.

Below you will find excerpts from his insider article:

Just about everyone in a Green Bay Packers uniform has been underperforming this season, and wide receiver Greg Jennings is no exception. One year after taking the National Football League by storm over the opening two months, Jennings has been just another average receiver on just another average team.

At midseason a year ago, Jennings was leading the NFL in receiving yards and averaging 19.1 per catch. Through seven games this season, he ranks 25th in receiving yards (437) and is tied for 38th in receptions (29), and his average has fallen to 15.0. Actually, Jennings' slippage dates to the final eight games of last season. Although he caught 40 passes in each half, his average of 19.1 in the first half was dramatically more than it was in the second half (13.2). Moreover, his average yards after the catch was 2.1 in the final eight games compared to 6.6 in the first eight games. This year, his YAC average is 4.90.

The Packers, of course, made an enormous financial commitment to Jennings in June by signing him to a three-year extension including $16.25 million in guaranteed money.

A scout's view...

McGinn asked a defensive backs coach for another NFL team to watch the Minnesota game played last Sunday (Jennings' best of the season) -- shut out in the first half, Jennings caught seven for 81 yards in the second half. His reception total and targeted-pass total (11) were season highs.

Several times, the assistant made the comment that what he said was based on just one game. If his team was playing the Packers, he would break down the previous four games before presenting his findings.

"When you watch that film he's open, he runs good routes, he catches the ball, his speed was good, he will block, he runs after (the catch)," the coach said. "I couldn't mark him down for anything.

"Now do I see the tenacity of a Steve Smith (Carolina) or the athletic ability of Andre Johnson? No. I don't see the athletic cuts of an (Chad) Ochocinco. I see Santonio Holmes being more explosive.


The root of the problem

"Their problem is nothing that I could see other than the line," he said. "The running back is OK. The receivers are OK. The quarterback obviously can throw the ball. They just can't pass protect anybody."

Is the failure in protection more the result of players or scheme?

"Both," the coach said. "They run typical West Coast routes. Up the field, hitches. Other than their protection, they're an NFL offense. But their protection is absolutely glaring.


"That line is pathetic. They never get a chance to do anything. Shoot, those guys cannot block. Those guys block the wrong guys. They don't block guys sometimes. How can you not block Jared Allen?"


Rodgers is far from blameless. Of the 31 sacks, 9½ have been his responsibility.

Neither, for that matter, is Jennings.

Jennings' personality in a way mirrors his playing style. He's smooth and somewhat laid-back, and that is reflected in his play.

You talk about being hungry for the football, that's Driver. That's Antonio Freeman. That's Robert Brooks. That's Sterling Sharpe.

Jennings? He complains a lot to the officials. But when it comes to the fire, the desire to get open and compete for the football, he wouldn't be first on my list.

Jennings also is a bit of a long strider. As wide receivers coach Jimmy Robinson pointed out last week, he still is quick in and out of his cuts. But to say he can take short, quick steps and burst free like Driver or Wes Welker, no.

Robinson disagreed with the idea that Rodgers might need perhaps three-tenths of a second longer for Jennings to clear on the same route as Driver. That might not sound like much, but with protection breakdowns occurring so regularly it might influence where the ball is going.

As the split end, or "X" receiver, Jennings is flanked wide by himself far more than Driver or the others. He's stationary, seldom going in motion. Because he's on the line, cornerbacks in press coverage can be in his face less than 1 yard away.

Jennings is 5 feet 11 inches and 198 pounds. That's below average for a wide receiver and well below average for a starting "X," where greats such as physical specimens James Lofton, Michael Irvin and Terrell Owens made their living.

Increasingly, it's become a big-man's game at the position. In April, just one of the first 15 wideouts selected was shorter than Jennings, and nine were 6-1 or taller. Currently, six of the top 13 wideouts in receiving yards are 6-2 or above.

Fitzgerald (6-3, 222) made so many plays vaulting and twisting far above his head last season that Arizona reached the Super Bowl. Every time you see a highlight clip this year people like Marques Colston (6-4½, 225), Sidney Rice (6-3½, 202), Vincent Jackson (6-4½, 230) and Brandon Marshall (6-4½, 230) are playing the game much the same way.

The secondary coach said he'd take both Colston and Rice over Jennings. Just about everybody would.

For his size, Jennings doesn't have great speed, either. Jennings is sudden, and as we saw in 2008 by his NFL-leading eight receptions for 40 yards or more, he is able to get on safeties in a hurry. His ability to high-point the long pass and compete for it in a crowd are phenomenal.


By now, his fourth year, Jennings basically is what he is, although fine-tuning could enhance his game. He's a big-play artist with enough speed to get deep, enough courage to work inside, enough strength to beat the jam and enough elusiveness to make the first man miss.

For many reasons, some beyond his control, Jennings hasn't been close to an elite wide receiver for more than 12 months. The Packers need him back at that level.
mzahn
Kind of seems like the problem is more the OL the Jennings.
Bruce
QUOTE (mzahn @ Nov 8 2009, 07:20 AM) *
Kind of seems like the problem is more the OL the Jennings.


The offensive line is a WAY BIGGER problem, and contributes to Jennings drop off - no doubt.

But your big time players have to come up with ways to play BIG.

I look for Greg to break out this week.
carnival
QUOTE (VA_PackFan @ Oct 25 2009, 08:31 PM) *
I haven't been able to go back and look, but are teams double covering Jennings? Could account for seeing a fewer number of balls thrown his way.



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Heatseeker
Sorry, he is.

I've been saying for a year and a half now that Jennings was a luxury pick. He's a good WR and right now, we don't need a good WR. We have plenty of them already. I've been saying for some time that if it were up to me, I would have packaged Jennings with a draft pick and tried to land a LT, or rush linebacker -- both areas that need much more attention than WR.

Yesterday was the final straw for me. On that pick, there was little, to no effort from Jennings to try and break up the pass. Clearly, he was being blanketed. Was it a good decision to throw it from Rodgers? Probably not. But Jennings has to try and do more to make sure either he gets it, or no one gets it. I saw nothing from him.

Yesterday showed Jennings drop another pass, too -- something I've gotten accustomed to seeing from him. And it's nothing new, either. Jennings was tied last year for 7th in the entire league in dropped passes.

Add to that, he's just not making the plays you want from your #1 WR. This year, he's made one big play -- against Chicago. That was a clutch catch. But I look at what a guy like Miles Austin did last night -- making what ended up being the game-winning catch on an unbelievably good cut move after not catching a ball all night made me wonder, "Who would I rather have right now?"

Don't get me wrong, Jennings is a good WR. But more than a few of these sacks that Rodgers has taken this year have been coverage sacks. Jennings just isn't getting open like he should. He's our #1 WR with a fat new contract and right now, Driver, at 34 is outplaying him. Not only in clutch receptions, but in toughness and effort -- things that even if you're stats or team record aren't there -- you should have.
Packer Backer NY

Do you think Favre made him look better than he really is?

In defense of Jennings, do you think maybe defenses are covering him a bit different than they have in the past? I am really not sure what it is, but I agree that he has dropped off a bit this year, as well as last year.
stuffin
Heat,

I've been working with this notion that this coaching staff is capable of taking high quality players and turn them into ordinary players.

Hawk

Thompson

Finley; shows it at times, but i'm still not convinced he is super special, is coaching holding him back?

Wodson has disappeared

So has Nick

So have the LBRs for the most part

Jennings

Jones

Crosby

Either all the O-linemen really suck, or the coaching is killing them

The running game, if it starts producing, MM gets away from it.

Barrnett seems like th only guy who has improved this year

If it was for not the striking ways this team has found to lose, I would say they are very ordinary.


The flip thought is; if it isn't the coaching, then maybe these guys just aren't that good.

Frustration to the maximum.

rpiotr01
I like what you're saying just fine. On the second INT that was actually a nicely thrown ball by Rodgers, looked like it hit Jennings in the hands and bounced up. GJ should've had that one, and even if he doesn't it seemed to me to be a bad break that it bounced up high rather than just hit the ground.

The more important stuff was brought up by Bob McGinn, about Jennings just not having the tenacity of the best receivers in the league. At age 34 Driver shows a fierce competitive side, a drive or an anger to get the ball and run with it and not be brought down. Jennings isn't that over-the-middle player. I know he hasn't been asked to play the way Driver has but one wonders if he could do it if he needed to.

This much should be clear - GJ is not the type of player who can take over a game. GB does not have ANYONE on offense who can take over a game. In order for the offense to succeed every unit must be clicking and if they're not, the whole unit suffers.
ammek
Overpaid, yes. Over-rated, probably. He hasn't played a full season yet. It's too soon to give up on him. I wouldn't trade him because this team needs all the good players it can get.

Much of the decline in his numbers is due to a lower catch rate on deep balls. That's a problem for the whole offense, not just Jennings.

That said, although he was in quadruple coverage, he should have caught the perfect ball that ended up being picked on the goalline.

QUOTE (Heatseeker @ Nov 9 2009, 05:58 PM) *
Jennings was tied last year for 7th in the entire league in dropped passes.


Yeah, but he was 8th in the league in pass targets. So he drops passes at an average rate.
Jeremy
I'm glad you brought this up. It's been something I've been thinking about for a while, too. Occassionally Rodgers will be able to buy himself some time by rolling out, but he's still apparently isn't finding anybody open. I'd love to see the film to see what the coverage looks like on these guys.

Part of is probably a numbers thing. Pelissaro talked about this in his chat yesterday. We've got 6 or 7 guys in to block 4 pass rushers, leaving 7 guys to cover 3 or 4 receivers.

But I think Jennings is clearly at least 1 tier below the elite WRs of the league like Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnsonand others. He's a nice player, but I think he really scares anybody. I don't think D coordinators stay awake a night worrying about how they're going to stop Greg Jennings.
Ghost of Max McGee
I think he is a solid guy, but again the Packers have gone away from what made him dangerous. Slants and crossing routes and things that happened quick and gave him a chance to run with it after the catch, not to mention by running thoise early it opens up the deep ball later. The play calling is at the heart of the problem as it is not maximizing the abilities of those involved in the scheme. IMO
The GM
I think Jennings may be little more banged up than we know. I still think he's a quality player and somebody we need to keep.

Tough call on the coaches holding players back. Watching that Offensive line yesterday, I question whether the talent is there to hold back??? I think a lot of this goes on Thompson.
PackerJB
QUOTE (Packer Backer NY @ Nov 9 2009, 11:06 PM) *
Do you think Favre made him look better than he really is?

In defense of Jennings, do you think maybe defenses are covering him a bit different than they have in the past? I am really not sure what it is, but I agree that he has dropped off a bit this year, as well as last year.

Right now it looks as though Favre made the entire team look better, including MM & TT.

If you're a great WR like Jennings was said to be, you should get open regardless of the coverage.
MIPackFan
At this point, I have to say that a lot of the problems with Jennings comes back to MM poor play calling. By not running the intermediate routes, the slants, drags, crosses, curls, etc., it makes it that much easier to cover the long passing game. Start running the intermediate routes and it will do a couple of things, first off, AR will be able to have some shorter drop backs and get the ball out quicker, this would also help to build his confidence back up. Secondly, we run a handful of these routes or even a few more RB screens, the FS/SS will have to at least think about those possibilities and thus free up some of the long ball by possibly pulling away the double, the safety deep and the bracketed coverages that Greg is looking at every week. Also, there is something going right in the passing game if AR is putting up the yardage and TDs he is, but even the casual fan can see the deficencies, the OLine, a solid, proven vet (hard to get I know) on the Left side would go a long way to making everything better for AR and Greg.

The other issue is the consistent run game. If we could get to the point where we are at that 5 ypc average and get some backup RB production (like we did w/Green this wk), the play action pass can be worked back in to the game plan.

It is these types of adjustments that need to be made, ways to free up Greg, get him more single coverage. Also, I agree that he may be more banged up than we know, I am sure he still has the lingering hip from the offseason and camp. That is one of those injuries that is going to hang around until the offseason and is only going to heal so much during the season.

Let's not run the guy out of the organization already. There are much more glaring holes and like I already said, fill those and things will certainly improve.

GO PACK GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heatseeker
QUOTE (MIPackFan @ Nov 9 2009, 07:43 PM) *
At this point, I have to say that a lot of the problems with Jennings comes back to MM poor play calling. By not running the intermediate routes, the slants, drags, crosses, curls, etc., it makes it that much easier to cover the long passing game. Start running the intermediate routes and it will do a couple of things, first off, AR will be able to have some shorter drop backs and get the ball out quicker, this would also help to build his confidence back up. Secondly, we run a handful of these routes or even a few more RB screens, the FS/SS will have to at least think about those possibilities and thus free up some of the long ball by possibly pulling away the double, the safety deep and the bracketed coverages that Greg is looking at every week. Also, there is something going right in the passing game if AR is putting up the yardage and TDs he is, but even the casual fan can see the deficencies, the OLine, a solid, proven vet (hard to get I know) on the Left side would go a long way to making everything better for AR and Greg.

The other issue is the consistent run game. If we could get to the point where we are at that 5 ypc average and get some backup RB production (like we did w/Green this wk), the play action pass can be worked back in to the game plan.

It is these types of adjustments that need to be made, ways to free up Greg, get him more single coverage. Also, I agree that he may be more banged up than we know, I am sure he still has the lingering hip from the offseason and camp. That is one of those injuries that is going to hang around until the offseason and is only going to heal so much during the season.

Let's not run the guy out of the organization already. There are much more glaring holes and like I already said, fill those and things will certainly improve.

GO PACK GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Good post. Far more level-headed than my own smile.gif
Terry
I thought it was a good post too (MIPack) except for one bit:

The other issue is the consistent run game. If we could get to the point where we are at that 5 ypc average and get some backup RB production (like we did w/Green this wk), the play action pass can be worked back in to the game plan.

There are only six running backs in the entire league with a hundred rushing attempts or more who have 5 ypc or better.

Otherwise, I agreed with the entire post.

QUOTE (Ghost of Max McGee @ Nov 9 2009, 05:29 PM) *
I think he is a solid guy, but again the Packers have gone away from what made him dangerous. Slants and crossing routes and things that happened quick and gave him a chance to run with it after the catch, not to mention by running thoise early it opens up the deep ball later. The play calling is at the heart of the problem as it is not maximizing the abilities of those involved in the scheme. IMO

What he said!!
GBfaninAZ
Terry and others: I have to lean more towards what some posters are saying rather than just blaming play calling. Many teams are stacking to take away the bread and butter quick slants and such. No sense continuing to call what isn't there.
MIPackFan
QUOTE (Terry @ Nov 12 2009, 08:02 AM) *
I thought it was a good post too (MIPack) except for one bit:

The other issue is the consistent run game. If we could get to the point where we are at that 5 ypc average and get some backup RB production (like we did w/Green this wk), the play action pass can be worked back in to the game plan.

There are only six running backs in the entire league with a hundred rushing attempts or more who have 5 ypc or better.

Otherwise, I agreed with the entire post.


What he said!!


Terry, I know, but you have aim high right. And I second your, "What he said" for G O'Max McGee's post.
Ayt
It doesn't matter how good your skill players are when your O-line is horrific.
Bruce
Eric Baranczyk said in this weeks insider article:

"You look at him (Driver)and then you look at Greg Jennings this season, Driver has been far more impressive. Jennings seems to disappear, sometimes for games at a time. Against Detroit, he had a 33-yard catch and then three others for nothing much. I don’t know why that is, whether he’s not getting open or what. But he’s not the elite receiver that some thought he could be. Right now, he’s not a home run hitter, not a superstar stud.

But the Packers also have so many guys. Jordy Nelson, despite the fumble, has great hands. He doesn’t seem to make mistakes. James Jones. I think any team in the league would like to have No. 3 and 4 receivers like Jones and Nelson.

Greg has picked up the pace since the original post in this thread, but like Eric says "not at a superstar stud level."
None-the-less, I love our wide-receiving Corp -- For the '09 Season:

  1. Donald Driver 53 REC, 845 YDS, 15.9 AVG, 5 TDS -- 14th in the NFL in REC, 6th in the NFL in YDS
  2. Greg Jennings 47 REC, 722 YDS, 15.4 AVG, 3 TDS -- 26th in the NFL in REC, 14th in the NFL in YDS
  3. James Jones 22 REC, 337 YDS, 15.3 AVG, 4 TDS --
  4. Jordy Nelson 15 REC, 176 YDS, 11.7 AVG, 2 TDS --
morango
I'm guessing that after his performance last year, many teams are rolling coverages towards Jennings, essentially double-teaming him and saying "he won't beat us." It turns out that our WR corps is too deep and talented to do that. Even in a cover-2, when you basically double cover both the deep receivers, usually Driver and Jennings, it's going to leave open spots in that zone for Finley, Lee, Nelson and/or Jones, who are just too good to stay covered for long.

I don't know this for sure, because when I watch on TV (and the two games I went to live this year!!) I have spent most of my time keying in on various O-Lineman, specifically Lang and Colledge (Lang - OK, Colledge has been BAD). From what I know of defensive game plans, this is what I think has happened to some of Jennings' production we saw last year.

Remember this too - barring injury, or a complete melt-down of the offense, he'll still probably end up with 1,000 yards receiving. Not a bad accomplishment...
eX Oh
I think he was banged up early, and the offensive line is taking away a lot of his routes.

I also think we are paying Greg Jennings so Rodgers can throw to Driver. Otherwise Driver would be triple covered.

Probably Jennings looks better when his 'suddenness on the safety' is restored, and that is mostly on the Oline. We're asking Jennings to be Driver, who is lightning in a short space. Jennings is not. He needs another second or two to do what he does best, and he's almost never getting it.

Props to the coaches, I liked the double-slant to Jennings last game. He can still be a threat in the short game if you scheme a way to get him free.

hauser42
Jennings is getting the focus of the defenses right now and the O-line issue has not helped. Jennings is not whining a bunch about getting the ball and other players are stepping up. Rodgers doesnt have to force the ball to Jennings when Driver, Jones, Nelson and Finely are getting the best of their matchups on the field.

WB PackerFan
QUOTE (hauser42 @ Nov 28 2009, 09:54 PM) *
Jennings is getting the focus of the defenses right now and the O-line issue has not helped. Jennings is not whining a bunch about getting the ball and other players are stepping up. Rodgers doesnt have to force the ball to Jennings when Driver, Jones, Nelson and Finely are getting the best of their matchups on the field.

Agree without Jennings Driver doesn't get his stats. This will be the 2nd year in a row the Packers have 2 1000 yard recievers and a 1000 yard RB... That is nothing to sneeze about. Jennings is not putting up great fantasy #'s but his QB is that is all that needs to be said. There is only 1 football and this year Driver is being the go to reciever. Jennings is still having a pretty darn good year with 5 to play.
Bruce
I like Jennings and am glad he is a Packer. I listed the depth and talent of the Packers WR corp in my preseason analysis and again in the post above.

But some of the excuses for his less than superstud performance are weak.

Jennings has been targeted as frequently (and in may cases more often) as Donald Driver. Driver is more consistent in his routes and in making plays. Jennings is not facing more double teams than Driver, but he does get to line up in the slot far more often.

If the situation plays out that we are uncapped - the $30 3 year extension that the Packers paid for Jennings is excessive since he was not eligible for free agency for another 3 years.

Having said that, I am glad he is locked to the Packers for as long as he is - I would have liked to seen more years given the heafty size of his extension.
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