Well all is Good so Far Today......Queens Lose and Bears Losing as I type...Also the Cowboys...

Okay we played another Bottom Feeder today...BUt we stayed on the Gas and Played Well...

THE GOOD:

AR had no SACKS...After the first Five Games this Could be CATEGORIZED as GREAT...Okay and on to the rest...

Grant had a a very Good running Day Today...Props to MM to keep giving it to him and also getting over 100 Yards for the first time this season...Maybe Ahman with his veteran presence is also helping Mr Grant out....

The O-LINE looked very good today...I will withold further Judgement until this LINE plays a GOOD team that Tough...As I did See Wells and Colledge get beat by Shaun Rogers a few times... TJ Lang held up well... But that will be adifferent animal next week.... Who to start...Cliffy or LANG....Also was nice not to see and Illegal Procedures or false Starts...

The Defense another real close to Shutout again... BUt it was great to see them make sure they held the Brownies to NO TD's...That makes it 2 weeks in a ROW...I am Hoping these guys are finding there groove...

The Defense on Goal Line Stands...

TE Havner looked real Good...Maybe another find by TT....ooopsss...Well he kinda reminds me of a Dallas Clark type and or Klinesauser....Lets see how it Plays out But I still hope JF is better and ready for next week...

Crosby and ST looked okay... Needs to get better on those corner Kickoffs.... Did not see much on the Punting Team and that coverage...But that is a Good thing....

Like the Numbers this week again...GB Offense -TY-460 Brownies Offense TY -139....First Downs....GB -25 and Brownies had 12.....Rodgers had 15-20 with 3 TD's and a PR of 155.4

Time of Possession: GB-36 and Brownies -24

GB over 50 % on Converting 3rd Downs..

THE BAD:

Still seems like the ILB's are overplaying at Times but they still led the team in tackles...

The Penalities are still Killing us... I did like what John Lynch Said...MM has emphasized this enough and these penalities are on the players and the players need to take responsibility..I still say MM needs to change his approach on Addressing this.....

Need a better Rush from the D...had 2 Sacks.. Would just like to see a game where we have a Jail Break...and I know Capers D has that in them....

A few Drops on Passes today..need to Focus .....

The Offense needs to strengthen there Play on the Goal Line...Need to force there will on teams like this...I say that with Tongue in cheek cause these guys are still in the NFL....

THE UGLY:

Not Much Ugly in this game..Clean up the Bone head penalities....The Team has to understand that the REFS have the perception that we are willy nilly on our penalities and they are more likely to throw the flag even on borderline plays...


This could have been a game the Pack could have easily overlooked and not come out to Play... hearing how many Brownies were sick ...and getting hyped for next weeks game... I mean I commend the Coaches and Team coming into this Game prepared....

..Yeap Im Smiling and going to Disney World...

Good win against a team they should have beat. Same with the Lions. Those wins build steam and confidence. The outcome against the Vikings this next time will be different. Green Bay will use the comeback in the first game as a launching point and they will win. Maybe not big, but they will win this game. Then, it's in there hands to take the division. It's a great positin to be in. Pack will continue to roll.

All good today, unless there is a serious injury I don't know about (Finley?). The Vikes, who had won a couple of close games, lose which gives the Pack a chance at first place. Way to go Grants, Driver and Rodgers. Looks like Hawk and Woodson came to play. Great team effort. Bury a bad club, even with a subpar first quarter. Hopefully the shine is now off the Vikings. Excellent win.

Let's be real.

The Browns are a real bad team. They literally have almost nothing on offense. Mangini traded away or let go three of their best players on that side of the ball: Winslow, Edwards, and Scheaffer. So they are punchless. Why Quinn is not playing over Anderson is a mystery to me.

On defense, its an open question whether they should be in the 3-4. Because they can apply no pressure from it.

This team was mismanaged from its beginning. There is a good book on just how bad it was called False Start. The owner, Lerner, took in two SF guys, one being Dwight Clark, and paid them tons of money. Both of them mismanaged the team personnel at the start. Take a look at the first fifty players they signed. Especially in the draft. And they then took the field before they were ready. They should have delayed it a year.

But now Mangini comes in and gambles everything on next year's draft. They have 11 picks coming. They had better hit on half of them, or Mangini will be out the door fast.

I don't think its any big victory to beat teams like the Rams, Lions, Browns. They have two victories between the three of them.

The genuine part of the schedule now begins. And we will see what this team is really made of.

Nice work Gregg. True colors are showing. Enjoy the victory.

And they beat them by a combined score 0f 76- 19 .. You get Real

Thank goodness Gregg's here to tell us why a 31-3 win is such a bummer -- a fan with less football acumen might have thought we won big for the second week in a row.

Wow. A big splash of ice water. I agree. The Packers are indeed entereing a most challenging stretch of games, after playing some real "patsies". Time to put up or shut up. Are the Packers finally for real- or are they just talented pretenders? The next few games will test their mettle.

We did exactly what we are suppose to do against a bad team; beat them soundly.

I am just going to focus on what I thought was good.

The play of T.J. Lang was good. He had some help from the TE and FB once in a while yet he held his own. We do not need a pro-bowl performance from him .. I will take average at best. He did a great job pass protecting for Rodgers and at times was able to push his guy back on run plays.

I love Havner. MM needs to find more way of getting this guy into the game.

No turnovers! Plus, we had 2 takeaways.

Rodgers is good. Damn Good!

AJ Hawk had a great game and led the team in tackles. He was also pretty good in pass coverage.

Al Harris covered M. Massaquoi for most of the game and pretty much shut him down. He had one catch for 22 yards and the holding calll on Harris was B.S. The Browns took shots at Harris but he provided solid coverage.

Kampman was applying pressure and looks like Capers is using him more and more on pass rushing instead of covering TE's.

Great Job by the Offensive Line and Ryan Grant. Grant ran for 146.

Let's hope that Finley's injury is not serious.

What true colors?

You beat three teams with a grand total of two wins between the three and you are supposed to celebrate?

What exactly? That you can beat terrible teams?

GB has beaten one team so far which has a .500 record. And they lost to both teams who are over .500.

Look at the rest of the schedule with that in mind.

Wow Gregg! I didn't think there'd be anyone who'd find a reason to be a downer after this BLOWOUT win

gotta give props to the defense once again: 9 straight quarters without giving up a touchdown!

Yes.

Yes, actually, that's sorta the point.


So many seasons we have complained that we play down to competition. Well, we aren't anymore.

The Packers are 4-2 and the two teams they lost two are near the top of their conference. In both those games we were within striking distance. After a bye we came back and started dominating teams.

This doesn't strike me as bad news.

Week 3, Ravens had 2 sacks against the Browns.
Week 4, Bengals had 2 sacks against the Browns.
Week 5, Bills had 2 sacks against the Browns.
Week 6, Steelers had 2 sacks against the Browns.

All HORRIBLE defenses with little to no pashrushers, yet even these scrubs got 2 sacks in the game. The Packers should have had 6+ sacks in the game, easily. Very disappointed in this team. VERY disappointed.

What victory should he enjoy? The Vikings lost today.

This disappointing team won the game and won it big. I don't see how you can credibly question the defensive playcalling when the Browns were limited to three points.

Packer fans are known for referring to their team as "we"... not "you".

You are all playing into his hands. I think the guy is or used to be on the debate team at school. Don't even respond to his posts.

Are you suggesting he's a master debater?

I am Going To Disney World..... There I can do a Lot of IF's....Woulda coulda..Shoulda...

what de?

Seriously, Gregg has got to find the negative in just about everything that happens with the Packers and must try to rain on any positive comment anyone posts these days.

It is a shame because he has some good football sense, but sometimes I am left shaking my head at his almost troll like negativity.

Yes, the Browns are a poor football team. But the Packers kicked their arses in a very convincing fashion. What is there to be negative about???

Back to the original post, good stuff BigBudman

Great Win. All Wins are

BUT Greg is right, we really haven't beat a good team yet. There are plenty of questions to be answered....are we a middle of the PAck team....or are we one of the top 10 teams.

Rams, Loins, Browns, I fully expected us to win these games easily.

My guess is the debate team didn't get too many wins. There are things like logical arguments and evidence required.

Saucy...correct ..Great wins... I expected them as well..But there is this nasty Old Saying ..ANY GIVEN SUNDAY.... I guess that is why they play the game...But lets take a little Deeper dive..

The Wins against the Brownies today...Hmm Yeah in our Opinion and many say, Inlcuding me they are a weak team...and Very Bad...

But to actually look at this Team... We just Beat today in there place for a final score of 31-3....

They Played them Same bad ole Queens and there new BFF... and lost by a score of 34-20....

They Played them Undefeated Kyle Orton Orange Gang and Lost 27-6

They Played them there Defending Superbowl Champs and Lost 24-17 and yeap that one was Last week in Pittsburgh ...Yeap that same team that just beat the Queens up today...

Oh yeah they Lost to them Lowly Bengals by a Score of 23-20 ...and yeap that game went to OT....

So the Bengals and the Queens and the Steelers who all seem to think are pretty Good including myself had the Browns giving them a handful and then some at times during the game...And we can play this who beat and lost to who all day long till the cows come home..and it will get nowhere quickly....

However WE beat this team today pretty soundly as WE SHOULD have...In Most Opinions and inlcuding Mine...But many that had there Picks in for the Packers Record this year on PC, and to be exact 100% of the Picks had us beating the Bengals in the second game...


Now I just broke down them Lowly Browns...

We can do the same for the Lions and you will get the Gest of it... I do not care when we play these teams..I dont care who is on the field or not... I like what Barnett stated to that effect last week..." He did not hear any one Give a care about 3 Packers defensive starters being out last year with Injuries".... Or something to that affect...Once again this is why they play the game....

There are many out there that rank the teams and place them as top 10 or top 5 or whatever .... I think in 2007 everyone and there brother figured the Patsies would go undefeated and had them crowned the SB champs.... we know how that turned out....

If WE win by 1 point or we win by 59 a WIN is A WIN ..and as the Great Lombardi Stated "Winning is a habit...." Not Winning against only good teams or against bad teams...Just WINNING.....and in My Book and the one that also counts is the Win/ Loss record this counts as a WIN....


So if Winning can be a habit...I hope that its a habit the Packers dont break.... Hang on to that Habit Packers...As WE have Beat 4 teams in the NFL this year...and have 2 Losses to NFL teams this year...WE can only play the Games on there scheduled

I am Going to Disney World......

Thanks for this breath of cool eyed sense in a Green and Gold world.

But actually, not only have we not beaten a good team yet, we lost to the two good teams we played.

So excuse me if I am not doing cartwheels over this.

When we beat teams like Dallas, Arizona, and Minny, then we can celebrate something. But to beat up on some weak sisters and think, wow, we have a really good team--nope. I've been around too long to fall for that one.

We beat the Bears, who were supposed to be challenging the Vikings for the division this year, and we beat a bunch of division bottoms. We lost to two division leaders.

You have to admit that it is good to come out of a win in a game you are supposed to win (what does that mean though, Cinci we were "supposed to win". We didn't but they are what, 6-1 now?)

I anxiously look forward to the remaining stretch of games, hoping to prove our mettle against tougher teams. But unlike you, I am happy with a win like this today as well.

I looked at the rest of the schedule with that in mind. Did you?

If the Packers did nothing more than beat .500 or worse teams and lost to teams over .500 they would finish 10-6.

I could live with that (though I think they will fare even better).

Oh, and based on your criteria, the only quality win by the Vikings was over the 4-2 Packers, a team who apparently doesn't impress you. Funny how that works.

Thats gonna leave a mark!!



Maybe pre-school.









In beating the same 3 bottom feeders
that the Queens have beaten,(DET,STL,CLE)
we scored 93 and gave up 20 points,
the Queens scored 99 and gave up 43.

You do the math.

Go Pack!!

Yeah, the Browns are feeble. But I had the misfortune to watch the Browns-Bengals game earlier this season — the near-tie — and it was an object lesson in how to make an inferior opponent look credible. The Bengals didn't protect the ball. (Packers: no turnovers.) They were outgunned on special teams. (Packers: competent.) They overblitzed Anderson. (Packers: rarely sent five rushers, six not at all.) They allowed Jamal Lewis and Jerome Harrison to get into a rhythm and keep possession. (Versus Packers: 18 carries between them.) They had some dumb penalties. (Packers: look, I never said the Packers were perfect.)

The schedule presented the Packers with a ridiculous run of patsies (Bucs still to come!) and the Packers took advantage. They have squashed two dreadful opponents in consecutive weeks. I would agree that those games don't tell us much about how the Pack will fare against NFL-quality opposition. But I don't see how they could have done much more to splatter the Browns or Lions. This week the playcalling was better, the offensive line was able to do what it does best (run-block against three down linemen), and Grant got enough carries to build up some kind of rhythm — who knows, those might be confidence-builders. The run defense has looked sound in three straight games, and the special teams are good enough that they feel as though they have been borrowed from another team.

Whether that makes the Packers a 7-9 team or an 11-5 team, we shall see. What they are not is on a level with the league's Clevelands and St Louises.

Great post. Nothing to add.

Gregg,

You may think that you're being realistic but what you're really doing is searching for negative and passively hoping the GB will fail so you can say I told you so. Don't deny it. I've seen it 100 times. You're pissy about something and you just can't get past it. Everyone on this site knows who the packers have beat and who they've lost to. We also know how good each team is. So when people are happy with the win and starting to believe this team has a chance, you feel the need to spew forth some "knowledge" about the schedule and that we're all homers. Thanks Gregg. Your contributions will surely be cherished.

We are winning the games we are supposed to. Something we didn't do last year.

That is exctly the problem we did have last year..and it is nice to see the team come out and play they way they have for the last 2 weeks and dominate..even though they still have a few issues... I like to see that they have some issues so they do not get complacent...

JMO

I don't agree. Last year the Packers handled the patsies on their schedule — the Lions and Seahawks — with a certain amount of discomfort, but they still handled them. The difference was: there weren't too many patsies to beat up on. The Jags were the only other sub-.500 team on the slate and, by the time we played them, the Packer defense was knackered.

The 2009 Rams, Browns and Lions aren't going to win 10 games between them. They're obscenely bad. Throw in the Bucs and you have one-third of the Packers' schedule that is comprised of teams that have no business being in the NFL.

The close games we lost last year were either at home against playoff teams (Panthers, Falcons) or on the road against middling teams (Cowboys, Bears, Buccaneers). I don't know that you can say those were games we (a 6-10 outfit) were "supposed to" win. So far the only similar opponent on the 2009 schedule has been the Bengals, and as far as the Pack is concerned that game could have come right out of 2008.

But more opportunities are on the horizon. The next two home games — Vikings and Cowboys — will tell us more about how far we've come from last year than beatdowns of the pathetic likes of Detroit and Cleveland, however comprehensive those have been. Here's hoping.

We did those two, but games against Houston and Tampa were games most of us had penciled in as wins last year. Between that and the losing some close games will indeed net you at 6-10.

I think we have more confidence this year and hopefully we will be able to continue to beat the weaker teams on our schedule.

Honestly. Any NFL team can win on any Sunday. Just ask Philly about the Raiders! And we didn't just win, we dominated a crappy team like good teams should. Are you this negative in real life?

Wow. Ammek, I agree with all of it. I will add that these 2 games may have allowed GB to get more confidence and a rhythm that did not have before. The OL was allowed to get more comfortable, even against 2 weak teams that will give them confidence to go against Minny and other better teams; or so I hope.

GB beat 3 teams handily (Rams, Lions & Browns) in games that they should easily win. They won these games that maybe last year they are quite close and even, God forbid, they lose to one of them. GB's 2 loses to Cincy and Minny does not look so bad right now. The OL needs to limit Minny's pressure next week. If GB can reduce the pass rush, GB can win. GB needs to beat Minny at home.

I'm with you on this one! Excellent posts, at least 2, that you have made in this thread.

I think we beat Minnesota next week but I have a feeling the Cowboys will just be too much for us to handle. They may not be as good as they were the last two years, but they are still above average and dangerous. We also play the Steelers and the Ravens down the strech and those might be "must win" games for those teams.

Good advice mzahn.. Real good advice.

Rrrrrrrrrrrrr you go to the game in Cleveland and that's all your gonna say ???????

My bad 66............... You could really here the boo birds at points in the game.... Several were calling for Quinn.... In today's Cleveland plain dealer, the beat writers were ripping on the organization....

This is not how I read the data.

The only .500 team was the Bears. And that game could have gone either way. The Bears made two horrendous calls on 4th down that backfired on them. Plus Cutler threw four picks. The Bears gave us that one as much as we won it. Its a game that could have gone either way.

So I evaluate what we did so far as beating up on the very worst teams in the NFL; playing the . 500 team fairly even; and losing to the two teams above .500.

So how does that record translate to the rest of the schedule?

The following teams are at .500 or above: Arizona, Pittsburgh, Ravens, 49ers, Cowboys, Vikes, Bears.

Seahawks are below .500 but not that bad I don't think.

Only two weak sisters left, Tampa and Detroit. Detroit should have Stafford and Johnson back for that game.

So, I think they will go 8-8, or 9-7. I hope its better, but....

BTW, please quit trying to make what I consider tempered realism into Angel of Doom false prophecies. Eric B is one of the best analysts the MJS has. Read his column today depicting how bad the Browns really are. He is probably worse than I was. Plus, he also notes just how many bad teams are in the NFL right now. More than at any time in the last decade. So that stuff about how any team can beat any other does not really exist today.

Today, the NFL has a lot of bad owners. Which says money does not mean you are smart. One example: Tampa should not have fired Gruden. With what that team is doing now, Gruden was getting blood out of a rock. And, of course, the Fords with Millen, and goofy Al Davis with almost anyone.

I wish Goodell could fire some of these guys.

Tell that to the Eagles and their fans after the Raiders knocked them off in week 6.

Greg, Greg, Greg! My oh my.

ha.... explain the Raiders beating the Eagles......and I would most defintely place the Raiders in that BAD team category.....That right it does not exist TODAY....

Explain the following: Rams lose 42-6
Tampa loses 35-7
KC loses 37-7
Raiders lose 38-0

Combined score: 152-20. That's parity?

Also explain why there are six teams now with zero or just one win. And we are almost halfway through the schedule. Project that figure out and compare that to any year in the past ten. And recall, that makes up almost 20% of the teams in the NFL today.

And you pick one game, Raiders over Eagles. You can always cherry pick data to find an exception. That's what politicians do all the time.

Eric B and myself are trying to prove a generality in order to spot a trend. And if this keeps up, by the end of the year, I think we will have done it.

Hey, the Jets are 4-3. No one gonna mention their loss to Buffalo? I mean Buffalo lost to Cleveland, enough said.

It doesn't matter how you read the data. It matters what the data says.

This was your original post to which I responded:



I looked at the schedule with that in mind. It told me the Packers would finish 10-6 under this premise.

If you don't like the premise, don't throw it out there.

I will repeat the question...Radiers beat the eagles..You stated it does not happen Today...

Speaking of Politicians you are defintley up there with me.... when you never answer the Question. But instead bring up another Question that does not answer it.....And we will see how many upsets that will still happen its a log season... But I will wait on the original Question...it bears repeating....


Your statement in your post stated:



I chose a specfic statement you made and stated a FACT . THE RAIDERS BEAT THE EAGLES so it still does and can happen in todays Football... ANY GIVEN SUNDAY....

So please enlighten us to your WORLD and explain the Raiders beating the Eagles......and I would most defintely place the Raiders in that BAD team category.....Thats right it does not exist TODAY....

So its real simple Gregg....How did the Raiders beat them..... since that does not exist today....????

And another Take from Good Ole Leroy Butler on Beating Bad Teams:... I tend to think he has 12 years in the League playing and should know about thes types of things....


QUESTION: What do you make of the Packers’ consecutive victories over Cleveland and Detroit, a couple of really bad teams? It’s impressive to give up three points in two games, but how much of an accomplishment is it really? Is there something to be gained from it?

A. Absolutely. If I were talking to them I’d tell them that nobody expected Oakland to beat Philadelphia and look what happened. Nobody thought Cleveland was going to beat Buffalo. So you have to win the games you’re supposed to win. You took care of business. I’m proud of the fact that they didn’t let two trap games beat them. They went out and dominated. I wanted to see a dominating defense and offense and they did that. They gave up three points in two games. They did what they had to and I’m happy with it. Knowing you played with a rookie left tackle and gave up no sacks, all that is encouraging. This is the NFL and you have to win the games you’re supposed to win. I don’t ever want to discount not beating or beating someone because that’s why there’s that word upset. It comes up when you’re not prepared to play and the Packers were prepared to play both times.


So all sorts have Opinions....From Eric B to you and many others... We have different respect of these opinions and take each one of there opinions.. but at the end of the day they are that persons Opinions....

Who is Eric B?

He is the Grand Wizard... IN the LAND of IF.... Formerly OZ......

He is the guy who Cliff C interviews every Monday about the last game.

Comment to jpackman: I said, "does not really " exist today. I did not say that there could never be any upsets ever. Don't put words in my mouth. I mean, that kind of stuff happens. But its happening less and less. And that is not me just saying it. That is reflected in the standings and the scores I quoted and you ignored. If you want to ignore them for polemical reasons, fine. But they are there.

Comment to Lambeau Leap: If you read my original comment I did not say anything about the Bears game. But if you go back and read what I said at the time, I thought it was touch and go and the Bears lost the game as much as the Pack won the game. So I am not being inconsistent. Those kinds of games do not always go your way. So I think its logical to predict we will probably win some of those types and lose some. And I included that in my specific schedule analysis.

Finally, there is a really good column out by Robinson at Yahoo Sports I think.

He--like Eric B, myself, and many others without Green and Golds on--can't believe that the Browns did not bench Anderson yesterday. He concludes that the reason they did not is that there are very expensive escalators in Quinn's contract. They pay him tons of money if he plays a certain percentage of downs. Evidently, the Browns would rather lose than pay him.

Doesn't get much worse than that. That's how bad this season is from a competition point of view.