Just saying, the leadership team, has done some good things, and there is potential. But I'm losing enthusiam because even with three more key players we still have a mediocre team.

I think the 3-4 defense will just waste time, keep the Pack out of the NFC top 5 for another few years.

On the good side, I'll bet the farm that Vikes will fade and Favre starts throwing picks late in the season. So there's something to enjoy while the team is adrift.

Thats why right now the packers have a top 5 D. 3rd in yards allowed and tied for 6th in points allowed and only 2 points behind NE for 4th. This D is MUCH better then what we had last year.

If we can get our offense out of the middle of the road we could be a dangerous team.

4th in the NFC is mediocre? And in rsponse to the original poster, what evidence suggests the 3-4 defense is a waste of time? Looks pretty strong to me, also 4th in the NFC.

I'm not saying there aren't issues with this team, but the 3-4 defense isn't one of them.

16th out of 32 teams for total offense is pretty middle of the road.

Most people also count the AFC when they are talking about stats. It helps to consider the ENTIRE NFL and not just part of it.

The 3-4 defense is a waste of time how exactly? Do you believe that...

1. The 3-4 is a gimmick and not a useful NFL defensive scheme.
2. The 3-4 is worse than what we were running previously.
3. That Dom Capers isn't capable of installing the 3-4.

We're 3-2 with both our losses coming to teams that are #1 in their division. Relax already.

And considering how poorly we played in both those games but still only losing by a TD in each of them Id give this team some hope if they can get some of their stuff together.

The Packers can't win reliably when they give up 30+ points. The D is clearly still being installed (people's points about the Broncos aside), so I think we can count on some improvement yet.

Man, the level of negativity here is killing me this week, and I'm afraid we're gonna have to put up with this same crap again for another week even if the Pack destroys the Browns on Sunday.

Most people just were not happy with a shut out of the Lions. I was up in WI and Monday morning the media was not exactly kind to the Packers. When the fans here it from the media they tend to follow along.

Its a lot of things though.

Lack of patience. Losing 2 games early in the year, one being a division opponent, coming off a bad year, lack of movement in FA or trades.

All those things and people will complain about anything.

I suppose, still... I personally don't follow sports so I can sit around bummed all the time, especially not after my team shuts out a divisional opponent. Heck, even if my team gets eliminated I can find things to root for (or, more accurately, against -- it was good watching the Dodgers lose last night).

Actually, 10th in the NFL.

I am not sure where the Hell you guys are getting your stats but from the NFL at their official website has:

Green Bay is tied for 6th in the NFL in scoring defense giving up 18.6 per game -- they only trail Atlanta and Arizona at 18.4 from the NFC

Green Bay is 8th in the NFL in total defense giving up 298 yards per game -- the only trail the Giants, Eagles and Redskins in the NFC

Green Bay is 3rd in the NFL in interceptions with 10 trailing only the Saints and Eagles who each have 11

Further, Green Bay is installing a new defensive system and improving defensively each week as players individually and as a team get in synch with the new system and each other.

I see nothing wrong with questioning the front office or the coaching staff but the facts do no support your rant about the new defense.

Might want to get a hold of ESPN then and let them know their "Total Offense" page is wrong.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total

ESPN is wrong - because they simply list by total yards regardless of number of games (most teams have played 6, while GB has only played 5)
VOR is correct GB is 10th in total offensive yards averaging 360 yards per game - trailing only the Saints and the Giants in the NFC.

NFL Total Offensive Yards from NFL Link


The offical site of the NFL has the defensive listing exactly as I reported them above:
6th is scoring (3rd in the NFC), 8th in total yards (4th in the NFC), and 3rd in interceptions (despite playing only 5 games).

NFL Total Yards Defense from the NFL link

My post refers to Offensive stats. NOT Defensive stats.

I got that, I did not post the whole post -- I went back and cut and pasted the whole thing together and edited it for you Luv

See the post above to rectify the discrepency between your and VOR's rankings

Thanks. Got it now.

Good analysis guys.

So I'm saying if we have the 5th best defense in the NFC and the offense is mediocre we're not a top 5 team.

What I didnt add is that I'm expecting the Packers D have trouble with good passing offenses as we move through the schedule.

What's wrong with the 3-4 is you dont get the pass rush consistently enough to press a good passing O. So there's not enough stats yet but I'm getting the bad feeling that others have that we've got too much trouble with the current leadership crew.

I think we can make the playoffs this year and lose quickly.

The Packers are playing sloppy football. Win, loss or draw, it's still annoying. It's hard to feel overly good about wins when the play is so sloppy and doesn't seem to be improving, since you know it's eventually going to bite you somewhere down the road.

Sloppy teams don't win Super Bowls.

Just wondering......did things come too easy for this team in pre season on both sides of the ball? And not just players I mean players and coaches. When things did not come as easy (CHI & CINN games) did the players begin to press (penalties /drops)? When you press it may lead to sloppy play

This person clearly doesn't know what a '3-4' is, and is clearly here to just whine in a general sense.

The teams we played in pre-season have a combined record of 6-17.

Yes- It probably did come too easy in pre-season.

I think that makes some sense. Offensively, most of our opponents didn't seem to go nuts rushing the passer in the pre-season. Thus, the weak-link in that group (offensive line) was masked. With a man not in Rodgers face after dropping back, he was all-world, which I don't doubt would be happening in the regular season as well if the line was getting the same results.

we've got too much trouble with the current leadership crew.

How about you figure out what you're trying to say about the leadership team crew and get back to us.