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Most of them, absolutely no. How is a false start by Clifton, a veteran of nearly ten years, an issue with coaching? He either jerks a bit or he doesn't.

If you drill it into your team that things like that won't be tolerated, then it happens less. That's coaching.

I agree. Players don't suddenly become complacent; it is tolerated and therefore the players are not meticulous about it. GB's entire OL cannot be this bad????? At least, that is my opinion.

Well, I'm not at the meetings and practices, but I gotta believe he's talked and yelled about it until he's blue in the face. You're not allowed to fine players for making mistakes on the field. You could bench them, I suppose, but if there's nothing better on the bench, is that really an option?

Other than preaching, which I'm sure he's done tons of, what do think he could do that would make a difference?

I agree with you in general but this has been going on Clifton's entire career not just under McCarthy. He had the same problems under Sherman. Based on the general team trend under McCarthy it would seem that he needs to do something different but in Cliftons case, I think it's part of the package with him.

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The same for Al Harris. He is good for at least one Illegal contact or hands to the face penalty each game and it's has been that way since he was traded to Green Bay. It seems to me that in the case of those two players it's not coaching, it the way they play the game and if you are going to have them on your team, it's part of the package.

If it was isolated to Harris and Clifton, I might agree. But you've got Bush, Bigby, the entire offensive line, etc. It's the whole team.

I feel like this team lacks discipline in general, and that goes hand in hand with penalties. Do we have some guys that are historically prone to penalties, regardless of regime? Yeah, sure. But it ain't just them committing these penalties.

Then we do agree. As I said in my post, I think McCarthy needs to do something about this trend and at least get it to a manageable level. I was just pointing out that in the cases of Clifton and Harris, it doesn't appear that there isn't a whole lot he can do beyond replacing them.

When I coached semi profootball in the Marine Corps. If you had a penalty called against you you ran up this hugh hill after a practice. You say there is no hills around Green Bay. Thats okay put there are stairs at Lambeau. Have them run a couple of those stairs for every pentaly called. Since they aren't listening to thr coaches and you can fine them. Sure sure can discipline them!!!! Get creative with them. If you don't like having them run stairs then have them walk up the stairs with a vest of weights on them and extra 100 lbs will do.

That's fine in general but Clifton hardly practices and they are just hoping to have him available on Sundays. I doubt if making him run is the best idea.

I've said this in other topics, but I'll say it again here. This is "professional" football. Stupid penalties (false starts, lining up off the line of scrimmage, etc.) should have been taught by high school coaches. Don't blame a coach because a player can't wait for the ball to move. How many snaps has Clifton taken in his career? How many times does he have to make the same mistake?

Today's players would be filing a grievance with the players union instantly. Although I like your idea.

As many as it takes until the coach does something about it.

That's a discipline issue. The LT, or any other offensive player, doesn't just just get to move when he wants to. He is a member of a unit. He is supposed to move WITH the unit. If he, or any other member of that unit, is freelancing, it is up to the coach to fix it. The problem, in my estimation, is that you don't just fix that in midseason. It is something that has to be engrained before the football portion of training camp even begins. IMO that's where MM fails as a head coach. he's so focused on teaching his scheme, that he overlooks the team building aspect of football.

I realize these guys are supposed to be professionals but, when they can't conduct themselves as professionals, it is on the coach to return to basics. Rhino, I would go one further on the hill drill. Mass punishment is an extremely effective tool. Nobody wants to be the guy responsible for making everyone else run the hill. You tend to pay attention better when there's more at stake.

BTW, I heard that Singletary had a hill built at the 9r's training field. But who needs a hill? Bear crawls on a flat field would do just fine.

Guess we are going to disagree on this one. I'll tell you what though, if someone is paying me millions of dollars a year, I'll remember the damn snap count!

Your comment "time to get rid of them and find players who are", is exactly the point. That is an action. That is discipline in the verb form. That would be holding the player accountable. All of which are the coach's job.