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Heatseeker
Seriously...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...-like-a-winner/

He's one of the most respected coaches in football. But you just cannot do something like this. That said, Fisher in Green Bay 2010? biggrin.gif wink.gif
sinatra
Over 15 years of coaching, no Super Bowl - no thanks.
maxman44
Jeff Fischer is an Outstanding football coach
packinatl
QUOTE (sinatra @ Oct 21 2009, 05:06 AM) *
Over 15 years of coaching, no Super Bowl - no thanks.

He led the Titans to the Super Bowl in the 1999 season and lost to the Rams
sinatra
QUOTE (packinatl @ Oct 20 2009, 07:38 PM) *
He led the Titans to the Super Bowl in the 1999 season and lost to the Rams


Packer fans in general are ready to run off McCarthy and Thompson, despite taking us to within one play of the Super Bowl less than two years ago. You suggesting we bring in a guy who's crowning achievement is losing the Super Bowl - 10 years ago?

Right or wrong, I don't see Packer nation having that much patience.

I was never overly impressed with Fisher. He could put together a solid team, but he couldn't lead them to the promised land.
JASIII
I don't think Tennessee's front office has done Fisher many favors supplying talent. A few good players here and there, but not that many. They never really re-stocked after that Super Bowl run.
Gregg
Fisher is a good coach.

He does a lot with little.

Recall, the coaching staff did not want Young. They wanted Leinart. The owner forced that on them.

Plus, they never have developed an adequate WR corps either.
Ellis269
I thought that the video of the whole "Peyton Manning's Jersey" thing was hilarious. He meant it as a joke and it was pretty funny.

That said, if we're going to fire McCarthy and hire an older coach with a lot of experience and a reputation for being a hard-nosed, smash-mouth kind of football coach, I'd rather it be Bill Cowher with his Super Bowl ring and his 3-4 defense than Jeff Fisher. Either guy would be an upgrade over "We'll get it done" McCarthy, but I'd much prefer Bill Cowher for sure.
ricky
QUOTE (Heatseeker @ Oct 21 2009, 04:36 AM) *
Seriously...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...-like-a-winner/

He's one of the most respected coaches in football. But you just cannot do something like this. That said, Fisher in Green Bay 2010? biggrin.gif wink.gif


Are you kidding? I have heartedly offered this possibility as mainly a pipe dream on another thread. If this came to pass (and if Fisher didn't want to be GM too- I will NEVER be onboard with a coach-GM, then lets hope for the best. The Titans play with intensity and integrity. Two things the Packers lack right now.
sinatra
It amuses me the way you guys will relentlessly criticize our coaches and players like they're all busts and failures, but will make every excuse in the world for other teams coaches and players.
JimATX
Fisher is a damn good coach. The Titans really miss Haynesworth this year.


McCarthy will be the Packers coach through the 2011 season, at the least.
WCH
I'm with Sinatra on this one. Most teams wouldn't have kept Fisher around this long. A Super Bowl loss after 5 1/2 seasons, and nothing noteworthy since then -- in ten years? And they're currently the worst team in the NFL? Few coaches have ever been given a 15 year run without winning a Super Bowl. I suspect that even fewer coaches have lost a game by the largest margin in NFL history.

If we didn't ditch MM for McDaniels or Schwartz after last season, then I don't see why we would want to ditch him for Fisher.
Jeremy
QUOTE (sinatra @ Oct 20 2009, 05:40 PM) *
It amuses me the way you guys will relentlessly criticize our coaches and players like they're all busts and failures, but will make every excuse in the world for other teams coaches and players.


Never was this more apparent than last week when everyone chalked up our win against the Lions to their injuries. What happened to the "every team has injuries, it's no excuse" line we kept hearing last offseason? huh.gif
packinatl
QUOTE (sinatra @ Oct 21 2009, 05:52 AM) *
Packer fans in general are ready to run off McCarthy and Thompson, despite taking us to within one play of the Super Bowl less than two years ago. You suggesting we bring in a guy who's crowning achievement is losing the Super Bowl - 10 years ago?

Right or wrong, I don't see Packer nation having that much patience.

I was never overly impressed with Fisher. He could put together a solid team, but he couldn't lead them to the promised land.


Fishers overall body of work is excellent, 6 times to the playoffs and one Super Bowl. To this point Mc Carthy and Thompson have given us one playoff team. We all say the talent is there but results on the field speak for themselves.
Jeremy
QUOTE (Heatseeker @ Oct 20 2009, 01:36 PM) *
Seriously...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...-like-a-winner/

He's one of the most respected coaches in football. But you just cannot do something like this. That said, Fisher in Green Bay 2010? biggrin.gif wink.gif


Heh. I have a 7 year son and we saw the clip on ESPN this morning. He doesn't really quite understand football yet, but he understands that teams within your own division are your rivals. This past summer I took him to the Packer Hall of Fame and we went to the pro shop and he bought with his own allowance a set of those little plastic football helmets. He has one for each team. I give him quizes on the logos and who's in what division and all that. So he knows exactly who's who.

Anyway, he was quite outraged that the coach of the Titans would wear a Colts jersey. It was actually quite amusing how much that bothered him. biggrin.gif I had no explanation for him.
sinatra
QUOTE (packinatl @ Oct 21 2009, 10:35 AM) *
Fishers overall body of work is excellent, 6 times to the playoffs and one Super Bowl. To this point Mc Carthy and Thompson have given us one playoff team. We all say the talent is there but results on the field speak for themselves.


McCarthy's regular season record: 27-21 (.563%)

Fisher's regular season record: 128-102 (.557%)

I see none of this supposed "excellent body of work" that you guys are claiming. In 16 years of coaching, he's won the division a mere 3 times. Hell, Childress is almost unanimously ridiculed as a horrible coach around here, but he's about to win his second division title in only four years.
Jeremy
QUOTE (packinatl @ Oct 21 2009, 06:35 AM) *
Fishers overall body of work is excellent, 6 times to the playoffs and one Super Bowl. To this point Mc Carthy and Thompson have given us one playoff team. We all say the talent is there but results on the field speak for themselves.


His regular season winning percentage as head coach is .542. That's less than a 9-7 average.
packinatl
QUOTE (sinatra @ Oct 21 2009, 08:43 PM) *
McCarthy's regular season record: 27-21 (.563%)

Fisher's regular season record: 128-102 (.557%)

I see none of this supposed "excellent body of work" that you guys are claiming. In 16 years of coaching, he's won the division a mere 3 times. Hell, Childress is almost unanimously ridiculed as a horrible coach around here, but he's about to win his second division title in only four years.


When you look at the talent level that Fisher had to work with its very impressive. You think Mc Carthy could go 13-3 with Kerry Collins at QB? Hell Childress better win with the talent on that team
sinatra
QUOTE (packinatl @ Oct 21 2009, 10:51 AM) *
When you look at the talent level that Fisher had to work with its very impressive. You think Mc Carthy could go 13-3 with Kerry Collins at QB? Hell Childress better win with the talent on that team


This is my point though - you guys will make excuses for other teams coaches and players. "Yeah buts" abound for them. But when it comes to our guys, you'll magnify their every weakness and make them out to be massive failures.

I'm not saying our personnel doesn't have flaws, and I'm not saying Fisher isn't a good coach. But there's nothing to show that he's in any way an improvement over McCarthy at all. Unless you're going to add a million exceptions, caveats and excuses into the scenario - in which case, it should go both ways.
PackerJB
I thought it was funny!
packinatl
QUOTE (sinatra @ Oct 21 2009, 08:56 PM) *
This is my point though - you guys will make excuses for other teams coaches and players. "Yeah buts" abound for them. But when it comes to our guys, you'll magnify their every weakness and make them out to be massive failures.

I'm not saying our personnel doesn't have flaws, and I'm not saying Fisher isn't a good coach. But there's nothing to show that he's in any way an improvement over McCarthy at all. Unless you're going to add a million exceptions, caveats and excuses into the scenario - in which case, it should go both ways.


I think in the last 4 years overall McCarthy has had more talent to work with than Fischer had in Nashville. Yes we do have flaws, so do many teams in the NFL. My big issue with this team is not wins and losses but how they have played. We are 5-10 in the last 15 games. 2 wins vs Detroit 2 wins vs Chicago and 1 vs. STL . No real "signiture" win. We have had issues on the OL, sloppy play (drops / penalties) and what is also concerning is that this is not a very physical football team. I have doubts that this team is built to play in December in cold conditions, no running game to speak of and a very questionble OL. Who's shoulders does that fall on? Is it talent or coaching? IMO the overall talent on this team has been somewhat oversold.
sinatra
QUOTE (packinatl @ Oct 21 2009, 01:01 PM) *
I think in the last 4 years overall McCarthy has had more talent to work with than Fischer had in Nashville. Yes we do have flaws, so do many teams in the NFL. My big issue with this team is not wins and losses but how they have played. We are 5-10 in the last 15 games. 2 wins vs Detroit 2 wins vs Chicago and 1 vs. STL . No real "signiture" win. We have had issues on the OL, sloppy play (drops / penalties) and what is also concerning is that this is not a very physical football team. I have doubts that this team is built to play in December in cold conditions, no running game to speak of and a very questionble OL. Who's shoulders does that fall on? Is it talent or coaching? IMO the overall talent on this team has been somewhat oversold.


So you say McCarthy doesn't cut the mustard because he's had too much talent to work with and hasn't produced enough. But then at the end you say the talent on this level is overrated. Which is it?

I'm not trying to pick a fight. It just frustrates me that a guy with a lower win % than our current coach is being somehow trumpeted as a better alternative. I'm not crazy about McCarthy right now, but I don't understand the point of trying to say one decent-but-not-great coach is better than our decent-but-not-great coach. IMO, these guys have produced pretty much identical results and I don't see either one as being an improvement over the other.
ThatGuy284
The appearance was for charity and was a joke. No problem with what he did.
When talking about replacing McCarthy- I'd actually be looking for upgrades - not retreads.
strat1080
QUOTE (ricky @ Oct 20 2009, 07:30 PM) *
Are you kidding? I have heartedly offered this possibility as mainly a pipe dream on another thread. If this came to pass (and if Fisher didn't want to be GM too- I will NEVER be onboard with a coach-GM, then lets hope for the best. The Titans play with intensity and integrity. Two things the Packers lack right now.


Really? They just got creamed 59-0 in the largest marging of victory in 30 years. That is quite some intensity they have. The Packers aren't perfect but they are a competitive team. They certainly aren't 0-6 and they aren't getting destroyed by teams.
The King
QUOTE (packinatl @ Oct 21 2009, 09:51 AM) *
When you look at the talent level that Fisher had to work with its very impressive. You think Mc Carthy could go 13-3 with Kerry Collins at QB? Hell Childress better win with the talent on that team


Good point. It had nothing to do with a great defense and awesome running attack.
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