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Joe Thomas to Green Bay?

* You have to scroll down until you see chad clifton's name in bold.

Also they talk about how Gren Bay could trade Kampman although its unlikely.

Let the mad dash for trades begin!

The next 24 hours will be interesting, to say the least.

A lot of rumors out there. I'm anxious to see if any of them pick up any steam.

Oh god, forget Jackson, THIS is the guy to get, and if it takes Kampman, I'm ALL IN!

I down with Big Dave on this. I don't care if we give up Kampman, our 1st and 3rd. We need Joe T.!

I have to agree. Look at what the Vikings gave up for Allen. I don't think the Chiefs made out too well on that. If the Browns are willing to give him up then I say he's worth a 1st a 3rd and a player. So be it. If we don't get our OL fixed Rodgers will be done for the season any game now. Our OL is an absolute disaster.

Oh yes. I agree. There's almost no price too high to pay to have Aaron's blindside protected for the next decade or so.

But I can't see if happening. They couldn't let a guy like that go....could they?

I can not think of one other player that would immediately help the Pack as much as Thomas. Don't have to worry about him learning the system like you would at most other positions. Plus as we are all painfully aware the O line is GB's biggest weakness.

I could see a move for somebody like a Fargas.

I totally agree. He could anchor the LT spot for ten years. In four or five, Jackson will be over-the-hill (he hits the big 3-0, usually a death sentence for the career of a RB.

Remember, this is Eric Mangini running the Browns. Anyone remember that a couple of three years ago in NY he was Eric "Man-genius"? Oops.

My particular concern is if Thomas isn't traded to the Packers, we'll be seeing a lot of posters who will blame TT for not getting Thomas when he was available. Right now, there is no indication, other than an internet rumor, that Thomas is available. Still, when there is a chance to strike at TT and his "cheapness"- what the heck, lets ignore reality and live in the world of internet rumors.

A friend of mine in Cleveland is telling me they are reporting any team that is intrested in Thomas will need to give up two 1st round picks if that is the case that is to high in my book i know he good but 2 1sts

If the Browns trade Joe Thomas, they should be kicked out of the NFL for brazen stupidity. Not only kicked out, but repeatedly kicked until they are unconscious. Unless they got a Herschel Walker type deal, it would be one of the stupidest trades in NFL history.
My trade deadline prediction: we do nothing. I know, i know, going out on a limb.

When I brought this up a weel ago I got RIPPED! LOL. Well this is 1 trade I wouldn't mind seeing a 1st get traded, but I could see a 2nd, Kampman and a conditional pick in 2011 or another player.

He is the best LT in the league - I don't think that the browns will trade him for anything. The Packers would give up two 1st for him so would 1/2 the other teams.

The browns are not going to trade the best player on the team.

Well, it looks like Joe Thomas may be "in play". I was told by a friend of a friend who PLAYS for the Browns that Thomas is on the block for the right price (and team) and the Packers seem to be that team.

Here is what he said:

"Joe,

The hard part is the Packers PLAY the Browns this week so it would make the deal a little more complicated if a player (Kampman) was involved on the Packers end. They (Browns) want 2 #1 's and a player (Kampman) or a deal that looks like they got a lot for Thomas. I could see a 2010 2nd, 4th and Kampman or another player (Bishop or James Jones) substituted for the 4th rounder. Stay tuned Joe"

Seems to be a little fire where there is smoke.

Why would the browns want Kampman? They run a 3-4 as well. Getting Thomas would be great, but to trade Kampman for him makes me wonder. Who takes AK's place on the D and what would be done with Clifton?

Joe Thomas would be nice but somehow I just dont see TT going through with it. I have no doubt he may be inquiring about what the cost would be but in the end its just to out of his character to give away that many high draft choices. No I think if Chad Clifton doesnt hold up he will probably throw TJ Lang in the fire and see what he can do. Lang is a good prospect for that spot as he played there some in college, the problem we have is that he doesnt have much of a learning curve. If I was the Packers I would start Lang in the Cleveland game & see what he can do, if he looks like to much of a work in progress then I think this rumor would be more likely than now.

Another thing, I just dont see the logic of you guys who continually come up with this trade Kampmann nonsense. Why would you trade your best pass rusher when your defense is lacking a consistant pass rush? And then to thrown in 2 first round picks? that is a fleecing IMO and TT would be stupid to give up that much. Kampmann is a pro bowl caliber player. How could Thomas be worth that much more? He couldnt.....thats just it.

At this point Poppinga would be Kampman's replacement. With Thompson getting time, maybe Jones. Clifton would probably be put on IR or just given an injury release deal.

The problem R2G is they have to make the trade by tomorrow or not at all. If they want Thomas they need to do it by what 5:00 pm tomorrow?

Well.... then I would only make the trade if they drop the price down to the 2 1st rounders or one and a player. But the player wouldnt be Kampmann. Maybe Bishop or Jones. Maybe throw in a 4th rounder or something.

2 first rounders isn't high at all for Thomas.

Joe Thomas is a player who you'd draft #1 overall in a draft. 2 first round picks would be a steal for Thomas honestly, because those picks automatically lock up the most important position on the OL (the 2nd most important position in football) for 10 years with an all-pro talent.

But I agree with Arrigo. Thompson would probably offer something like Arrigo mentioned. But, I don't think we get Thomas without giving up a 1st rounder.

Realistically, I could see a 2010 1st round-2010 3rd round or 2011 2nd round--Aaron Kampman. I would really hope Desmond Bishop isn't someone we'd be willing to give up.

Considering Kampman isn't that good at LB if he stays and AJ Hawk is a near-bust, I don't want to trade away LB depth, especially ones with upside. Next year it could really end up being Chillar-Bishop-Barnett-Matthews

And wheres your proof for this?

In the Detroit game he had one sack & a QB hit that cause an INT.

It looks to me like he's putting plenty of pressure on the QB when they are rushing him. and I havent seen
him make and glaring errors in pass coverage either. You dont trade away your best pass rusher if
you dont have a replacement. By trading Kampmann (and picks) for Thomas you may be solving one problem but you are creating another.

Heres the deal. Next years first, Hawk, a 2nd in the 2011 draft, and a player either Kampman ( i doubt they want him he isnt a 3-4 guy)/Flynn/Giacomini/Jolly. For Thomas and like a 4th.

Thats if they dont want to give up two first.

If they dont mine the picks then two 1st for Thomas and like a 5th or something.

Agree. Because of the premium of the LT position and his age you could argue that Joe Thomas is one of the top 20 players in the entire NFL. 2 first rounders would not be too much to give up.

I am not knocking TT here but 1st round draft picks are no sure thing. Harrell and Hawk go to prove just that.

To be able to get your hands on the best LT in the league who also happens to be 24 years old and brings a great attitude to the table, tell me where to sign. I'd give two firsts away in a heartbeat. This is a guy that can watch Rodgers' back for the next decade.

Thomas, Colledge, Spitz, Sitton, Lang ...that OL works now and for the long haul! Imagine what Rodgers could do if he played behind one of the best pass protecting lines in the league.

Please TT, get it done.

If you want talent, truely GREAT TALENT, then you need to give soemthing up (either MONEY, picks or players).

A good trade is you thinking "MAN, I am sure glad I got (insert players name), but man, I hated to part with (insert players name/pick)."

This would be a great deal for the Pack, even for two firsts. Get it done.

Bargain at 2 1sts

The Packers will never be in a position to draft an LT of his caliber in the near future - and to trade up to buy that position, would cost more than what we can get Thomas for --- allegedly

Thomas is signed sealed and delivered - guarantees on top 5 draft picks have escalated and will continue to do so making them not very desirable

Thomas is a proven asset - thats worth a first rounder right there considering TT's batting average on OL - and first rounders in general

You would have to spend a 1st to get a guy that MAY be able to play LT anyway - so you're really only paying a first for the privalege of having a ready made Pro Bowler - thats highway robbery

I have doubts about the rumor but if true TT would be nuts not to take this deal in a heartbeat and leave town before they have a chance to change their mind

It would be interesting if we did trade for him seeing as how we are playing them this week hahaha that would be weird.

Has anyone heard anything? It will probably be a last second thing if it happened.

Also lets not put it past Ted and Mike that if they think they are on the hot seat that they wouldnt try to do something to save their jobs (ala Childress bending over backwards to get Favre). I mean what good is a 1st rounder if you arent around to spend it?

That being said it aint going to happen. If it was for a reduce price maybe but not 2 1st. Ted likes to feel like h is geting a deal.

I would give the two firsts and any one of our middle linebackers, let them choose.

I refuse to get excited Joe, TT likes to window shop too damn much

Update apparentl profootballweekly is also are saying its a long shot..... but its still a shot i guess.

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Exactly.

On that INT play, he had his hand on the ground. And on the sack, he had his hand on the ground. Kampman is a GREAT DE.

But Kampman is just an okay LB.

Kampman plays the weak-side LB in the 3-4. Most people would say that's the easiest position in the 3-4 because usually you don't have to give them important coverage assignments and usually is the guy that blitzes the most. So it's usually easier to fill that position. An athletic tweener type of body, can usually step in decently at the least. Clay Matthews can not only take over this position, but he's probably better at it then Kampman is right now and has upside. Matthews was also a good pass rusher in college, so he's your potential replacement.

Now while Kampman may be our best pass-rusher in the 4-3, he's just not as effective in the 3-4. And even though that's probably because Capers doesn't rush him as much, that's how Capers coaches. He's not a predictable coach. And he likes to mix it up. Capers needs a weak side LB that excels as a LB, not just excelling as a pass rusher. Because then that limits Capers' plays if he has to keep sending Kampman, because that would throw the whole point of running the 3-4 out the window.

Kampman is just a solid player in the 3-4 now. But teams know he has talent and that's why he's trade bait.

As far as Cleveland needing him? He'd fit in CLE's 3-4 as much as GB's. But CLE might still like him so they can franchise and trade him away. Some 4-3 team would LOVE to have him. And if not, I'm sure GB could find someone else.

seriously people, you do not really believe this will happen do you?

The trade deadline is tomorrow. We can't wait until the Cleveland game to make a deal if Lang doesn't look good. If Thompson doesn't find a suitable LT, Aaron Rodgers will be on IR after Nov. 1st. Protecting Rodgers is the biggest prioritiy. Kampman hasn't done a whole lot at OLB. Matthews actually leads the team in sacks and continues to get better and better.

Chances are it won't, but it's fun to discuss and speculate rumors. That's why rumor and speculation are in the title of this thread.

Two 1sts AND Kampman? What is Kampmen worth, chopped liver?

2 firsts and Kampy....I'd say no. But a 1st, Hawk and a 2nd in 2011...yes.

I'd maybe even do Kampy, Bishop and a 1st or Kampy, Hawk, and a 2nd

This entire rumor is crap, but you really wouldn't give two 1sts for a young franchise LT ? That would be a steal for us..

Why would the Browns a team that runs a 3-4 also want a player who does not want to play in the 3-4?

exactly, but it is Mangini running the show, he is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

It may be a long shot, but it is fun to think about Thomas in Green.

I do agree with those that suggst that it doesn't make sense to put Kampman in a deal since the Browns also run the 3-4, but that doesn't mean that Kampman can't be involved . . . assuming the coaches have decided he is not up to the change.

I would suggest that it might be possible to find a team that runs a traditional 4-3 that might be interested . . . would someone cough up a 1st. If so, maybe the Pack can trade Kampman and then package the 2 1sts and a player in a deal. My disappointment in Hawk would lead me to consider that type of deal with AJ being the player.

A.J. Hawk is from Ohio, played at OSU, and would be welcomed back by his home-state... I think he'd be included in a deal if one were to happen.

A first, Hawk, James Jones, and a 2nd or 3rd might work.

They pick up a starter on both sides of the ball and 2 picks for one starter. (certainly a stud, but still one player)

Nothing is gonna happen.

I know...but it's fun to dream

Well now I officially have my hopes up. I'm assuming nothing is going to happened, but I've opened my mind up to it being a possibility. Kind of like when the powerball hits 200 million and everyone from work chips in $5 to get about 100 tickets. You know your not going to win, but the fantasy was worth the $5.

And yes, I would give the 2 first rounders in a heartbeat. I'd even throw in a player if that's what it took.

Yeah, If I were the GM, I'd give up a good deal to get Joe Thomas as well. But we all know that isn't how Ted Thompson works. He'd rather find his own Joe Thomas in the 4th round than give up any of his precious draft picks for someone else's stud.

I was thinking the same thing! I would love to see that trade.

I am not getting my hopes up nor do I think anything is going to happen.

Why must Rodgers be so darn tough? If only he'd be slow getting up, swing his right arm as if to try loosening-up his shoulder on one of his 40+ knockdowns, maybe TT would see the light.

Without AR at QB this is a sub-.500 team at best (I know I stated otherwise in the preseason, but I've come around). The #1 priority is to protect him... so this Joe Thomas trade should be more than just glanced at.

Can you imagine TT's pain (heat from fans/media) IF AR is bandaged-up on the sidelines while Favre leades the 6-0 Vikings to another win? '10 #1, '11 #2, and Hawk... sweeten it with James Jones if you must, but that would weaken our WR corp with Jordy out hurt.

If they are going to trade anyone, Hawk would be ideal. He has two years of control, and the cap hit can't be that big, can it?(I want to say around 4 mill).

Not sure who you can trade for though. I would do 2 firsts and Hawk for Thomas in a heartbeat, but who knows if the Browns would ever want to do that.

If Hawk is so bad why would any other team want him?

Just saying.......