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maxman44
Heard on ESPN radio tonight that his house is up for sale - said trade is imminent
JASIII
Wonder who. Tampa? Oakland? Miami? San Fran?
ricky
QUOTE (JASIII @ Oct 14 2009, 07:15 AM) *
Wonder who. Tampa? Oakland? Miami? San Fran?


What about St. Louis? Or Washington? The latter seems most likely, since the GM/owner is a spendthrift "fantasy" player. I really believe he thinks Madden is real life football.
LMG
Wow!! Brady Quinn.

Thought he was the QB of the future there.
Bob_Nelson
Must be hard getting beat out by a guy who just went 2 for 17 in his last game...
GBP4EVER
QUOTE (Bob_Nelson @ Oct 13 2009, 09:25 PM) *
Must be hard getting beat out by a guy who just went 2 for 17 in his last game...


I heard he asked if he could go to the commish's box to hide from the media and cry like he did on draft day. laugh.gif
sinatra
Wow, I thought this thread was about Quinn Johnson until LMG's post. I was about to launch into a tirade.
PackerJB
Who would want him? I mean, the Browns don't want him. Would a team seriously trade for this BUST???
pkrjones
QUOTE (PackerJB @ Oct 14 2009, 07:38 AM) *
Who would want him? I mean, the Browns don't want him. Would a team seriously trade for this BUST???
I want him as the Packer's #3 QB (working up to #2?), but it depends on what Cleveland wants for him in return.

He fell behind because of his contract hold-out (sounds eerily similar to most 1st rounders who hold-out... they lose that entire 1st year of TC/coaching/assimilation to the NFL). Expectations were sky-high for Quinn, and when he didn't live up to them in year 2 he was benched and scorned by Cleveland media and fans.

He's 24, has a managable contract (around $700K/yr through 2011 season), and would have very little pressure while he learns to be an NFL QB. His market value is VERY low right now, I'd love to get him. Help him have a good 2010 preseason and trade him for a higher pick, similar to Hasselbeck, Brunell and Brooks.
Blue
QUOTE (pkrjones @ Oct 14 2009, 08:24 AM) *
I want him as the Packer's #3 QB (working up to #2?), but it depends on what Cleveland wants for him in return.

He fell behind because of his contract hold-out (sounds eerily similar to most 1st rounders who hold-out... they lose that entire 1st year of TC/coaching/assimilation to the NFL). Expectations were sky-high for Quinn, and when he didn't live up to them in year 2 he was benched and scorned by Cleveland media and fans.

He's 24, has a managable contract (around $700K/yr through 2011 season), and would have very little pressure while he learns to be an NFL QB. His market value is VERY low right now, I'd love to get him. Help him have a good 2010 preseason and trade him for a higher pick, similar to Hasselbeck, Brunell and Brooks.

I agree. He was thrown into it w/very high expectations. Have the time to ease into it. Dump Brohm, salaries should trade off.
Heatseeker
I actually thought Quinn looked pretty solid -- especially in his time last year. The Browns are just a mess. I'd bet someone could pick him up and turn him into a solid QB.
pkrjones
QUOTE (Blue @ Oct 14 2009, 08:58 AM) *
I agree. He was thrown into it w/very high expectations. Have the time to ease into it. Dump Brohm, salaries should trade off.
Brohm's already been "dumped", and resigned to PS... so his $$ is already being written-off on this year's cap.

After spending an '07 2nd and an '08 1st rounder to acquire Quinn in the draft, there's no way that Cleveland will get anything close to that, so they'd be (IMHO) better off packaging him in a bigger trade to "camouflage" the return for him.

I chimed-in (in the Trade Deadline thread) on a blockbuster trade for Joe Thomas, and still think that may be a move Cleveland makes to help put butts in their seats.

Thomas and Quinn for: A.J. Hawk (hometown legend), 2010 1st and 3rd rounders, and 2011 2nd rounder. Maybe even throw-in an OL (Breno, Lang?) and/or possibly a WR (Jones?).
Skyshadow
Quinn's agitating for a trade because he wants to start. Why on earth would the Packers be interested?
pkrjones
QUOTE (Skyshadow @ Oct 14 2009, 12:09 PM) *
Quinn's agitating for a trade because he wants to start. Why on earth would the Packers be interested?
There's not a team in the NFL that will trade for him and annoint him starter, short of a plane crash killing 1/2 their roster (not that I'm wishing that on any team... except the Viqueens laugh.gif ).

He's young, got the physical tools to succeed, and has a manage-able contract ... why wouldn't they want him to develop and trade (or keep, should AR continue to get pummeled)?
maxman44
QUOTE (pkrjones @ Oct 14 2009, 01:00 PM) *
There's not a team in the NFL that will trade for him and annoint him starter, short of a plane crash killing 1/2 their roster (not that I'm wishing that on any team... except the Viqueens laugh.gif ).

He's young, got the physical tools to succeed, and has a manage-able contract ... why wouldn't they want him to develop?

Raiders probably would not but Quinn is a HUGE (pun intended) upgrade from Russell
The GM
QUOTE (pkrjones @ Oct 14 2009, 06:24 AM) *
I want him as the Packer's #3 QB (working up to #2?), but it depends on what Cleveland wants for him in return.

He fell behind because of his contract hold-out (sounds eerily similar to most 1st rounders who hold-out... they lose that entire 1st year of TC/coaching/assimilation to the NFL). Expectations were sky-high for Quinn, and when he didn't live up to them in year 2 he was benched and scorned by Cleveland media and fans.

He's 24, has a managable contract (around $700K/yr through 2011 season), and would have very little pressure while he learns to be an NFL QB. His market value is VERY low right now, I'd love to get him. Help him have a good 2010 preseason and trade him for a higher pick, similar to Hasselbeck, Brunell and Brooks.


Agree, I am a firm believer in QB's being as good as their coaching. You may have the tools, but if you arent prepared properly, it doesnt matter. Quinn is worth a look IMO. If you can get him for a song, do it. QBing in Cleveland is like QBing in Detroit. the revolving QB door in those cities over the years is proof. Long, Mitchell, Ware, Harrington.....

I dont think Quinn is the "be all, end all", but when you consider Flynn and Brohm, Quinn could have a bigger upside than both of them.
Skyshadow
QUOTE (pkrjones @ Oct 14 2009, 11:00 AM) *
There's not a team in the NFL that will trade for him and annoint him starter

Except the Oakland Raiders.

I agree Quinn would be an upgrade over our backups, but I'd worry about his attitude -- like I said, he's agitating to get off his current team because he doesn't see a chance at starting, and it seems like Green Bay would be a similar situation.
The GM
QUOTE (Skyshadow @ Oct 14 2009, 11:22 AM) *
Except the Oakland Raiders.

I agree Quinn would be an upgrade over our backups, but I'd worry about his attitude -- like I said, he's agitating to get off his current team because he doesn't see a chance at starting, and it seems like Green Bay would be a similar situation.


I dont think wanting to start is a bad thing, . IMO I want a backup QB who wants to play. I certainly dont get that from our current backup QBs, I think they are lucky to be in the league.
Skyshadow
QUOTE (maxman44 @ Oct 14 2009, 11:02 AM) *
Raiders probably would not but Quinn is a HUGE (pun intended) upgrade from Russell

Think of all the money they'd save cutting Russell and making him pay for his own donuts.
Gregg
Bad year for QB's that year.

I actually did not think either of these guys were worth the number one pick.

Russell had not started enough games.

Quinn I thought was an attractive prospect who needed to stay on the bench and learn like AR did. I didn't think he was as good as AR, but I thought he could develop into a good second teamer, and maybe an average or above average starter.

Cleveland will never give up Thomas though. Or if they did, you would have to give them a lot. The guy may be the best young LT in football.
Bob_Nelson
QUOTE (The GM @ Oct 14 2009, 11:34 AM) *
I dont think wanting to start is a bad thing, . IMO I want a backup QB who wants to play. I certainly dont get that from our current backup QBs, I think they are lucky to be in the league.


I agree 100%. I want a Steve Young back-up type. Someone who wants to desperately get in there, and might not even like the starter because of it (Montana and Young pretty much hated eachother).

Now, not saying that Quinn will ever be Steve Young or that I want two guys openly hating eachother on the same team, but I want a guy with some fire backing up the most important position on the team.
Arrigo
Well, I remember when he was available when the Packers picked and some fans were upset that they didn't take Quinn and trade Rodgers. THAT was a smart move.

I would have liked to see the Packers "wheel and deal", but like anything, hindsight is 20/20.

I have never seen the big deal w/ Quinn. To me, he was a product of the ND hype machine. Glad to see this is another teams issue and not the Packers.
GBP4EVER
Quinn like Lienhart IMO is mentally too weak to play the game and neither have the drive or desire to succed. All they want to do is just enough to keep cashing the big pay checks.
Skyshadow
QUOTE (Bob_Nelson @ Oct 14 2009, 05:56 PM) *
I agree 100%. I want a Steve Young back-up type. Someone who wants to desperately get in there, and might not even like the starter because of it (Montana and Young pretty much hated eachother).

Now, not saying that Quinn will ever be Steve Young or that I want two guys openly hating eachother on the same team, but I want a guy with some fire backing up the most important position on the team.

Young wanted desperately to get in and was willing to do the work and show he was a legitimate replacement for Montana (oddly like a certain team's current QB).

Quinn wants to start and, since he can't even beat out Derek Anderson for the job, is now agitating to get out of Cleveland.

The key difference here is what they're up to when they're not starting. Working their ass off? Good. Whining? Bad.
The GM
QUOTE (Arrigo @ Oct 14 2009, 06:41 PM) *
Well, I remember when he was available when the Packers picked and some fans were upset that they didn't take Quinn and trade Rodgers. THAT was a smart move.

I would have liked to see the Packers "wheel and deal", but like anything, hindsight is 20/20.

I have never seen the big deal w/ Quinn. To me, he was a product of the ND hype machine. Glad to see this is another teams issue and not the Packers.


Agree with much of that Joe, but once I take a look at our QB's behind Rodgers, I'd take a look at just about anything breathing.
Leader
Hmmmm....have to agree with the general sentiment that GB's backup QB's dont engender a lot of confidence at the moment, but the thought of bringing Quinn over made me think of another Brown QB that hadnt panned out while in Cleveland i.e. Tim Couch.

He didnt pan out with the Packers either as I recall and never made the roster.
Maybe Cleveland just stinks at selecting QB's and we shouldn't get any of them! rolleyes.gif

JASIII
QUOTE (Leader @ Oct 16 2009, 11:27 AM) *
Hmmmm....have to agree with the general sentiment that GB's backup QB's dont engender a lot of confidence at the moment, but the thought of bringing Quinn over made me think of another Brown QB that hadnt panned out while in Cleveland i.e. Tim Couch.

He didnt pan out with the Packers either as I recall and never made the roster.
Maybe Cleveland just stinks at selecting QB's and we shouldn't get any of them! rolleyes.gif

The difference is that Couch had an arm injury and could barely throw a 10 yd out because of it. Quinn is healthy and far from a 'lost cause'. I do think that Couch was probably destined to be a lousy QB, but landing in Cleveland hasn't helped ANYONE in recent memory, Quinn included. If the Pack chose to sign Quinn and jettison Brohm, I'd be all for it. I think that's an upgrade.
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