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faede
"This is the best team I've ever been on."

Really Brett?

His stream-of-consciousness speaking is great media. But I wonder if he truly understands how he's killing Packer fans. The throng of titletown masses who spent two decades adoring the legend that is Brett Favre are being scalded by the lack of empathy by our once great hero.

We cheered him. Named a street after him. We cried with him when his dad died. We exalted with him when he held up the Lombardi trophy after a 30 year drought.

And this is what we are left with.

The '96 Packers were one of the greatest super bowl teams of all time. One of only two super bowl teams in existence who led the NFL in both offense and defense, along side special teams play that broke the record for punt return yardage in a year.

Reggie White, one of the top 5 defensive players ever on the other side of the ball.

A team that was solid at just about every position with pro-bowlers sprinkled in and a upper echelon coach in the prime of his career. Ranked as one of the top 10 super bowl teams in history among most polls. The single year, the single magical team that took the Packers from lovable losers to Titletown U.S.A once agin.

But no, I'm sure this new team, this new era amongst the biggest rivals is certainly the best team you've been on. Thanks Brett. We appreciate it.

Lost in all the Favre-a-palooza media overload was a story that didn't get near the respect it deserved. The terrible pain of Packer fans who put Brett Lorenzo Favre on hero worship level (myself very much included) and are now just wishing, just praying that Favre would understand how we're feeling. He was my hero. I grew up with him. And now I feel like for all those years, all I want, no.. all I DESERVE is a little acknowledgement for those many years that we cheered him on. A little empathy. And so far, the purple version of #4 hasn't given it. I've been told to "get over it". I've been ignored. I've been offended.

Mostly. I've just been sad about the whole thing and its only getting worse. With each comment the knife goes in deeper. My hero falls to the earth. And yeah, I probably put far too much hope into a guy who doesn't deserve it. In the end, Favre just plays football well. That's all really.

If you didn't get a chance to read it, I highly recommend taking a peak at Bill Simmons NFL picks this week. He closed with a sad point:

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Q: I am 19 years old. I have been a fan of Favre and the Packers since the third grade. I grew up thinking Favre could do no wrong. As a mature 17-year-old, I cried the day he retired from the Packers. I was tolerant of the Jets experiment -- even have the jersey to prove it. But what am I supposed to do now? Tonight I watched my childhood hero stomp all over the team and the fans he represented for 16 years. I found myself cursing him for the very same reasons I used to love him. The phony TD celebrations, the smug smiles, the way he hams it up with his new teammates and his new fans. I don't know how to handle it. I started this e-mail thinking I had something to say about all of this, but I just feel lost. I don't know what to think anymore ... I'm just lost.
--Drew, Bloomington, Ind.



SG: And that's the part of Monday's game that got lost. Every Packers fan felt like how a dutiful wife would feel if she stuck with her husband through thick and thin, watched him become a success, then got dumped for a younger trophy wife who also happened to be her archnemesis. Favre failed in the same way Roger Clemens failed when he signed with the Blue Jays in 1997 -- his problems with management affected his feelings toward his old franchise, and he did a piss-poor job of letting his old fan base know that he still cared about it. I have written about this before, but I turned on Clemens during his Toronto news conference when he simply refused to acknowledge Boston fans beyond a few generic words. It hurt. I took it personally and decided he was an opportunistic, disloyal, dishonest scumbag from that moment on. And as it turned out, he was.



In Favre's case, his lack of empathy for Packers fans has been really alarming. I know he plays with his heart on his sleeve. I know he's a "kid out there" and "having a ball out there" and all the crap. And maybe he's not a brain surgeon, but he's smart enough to understand what he meant to Packers fans and the state of Wisconsin, which means he had to understand how it went over after he (A) signed with an NFC North team two months ago; (cool.gif dialed up the finger-pointing and fist-pumping during Monday's Pack-Vikes game so egregiously that even his biggest fan fron Green Bay couldn't defend him; and © gave that self-satisfied postgame interview in which he never said anything like, "I just wanted to say hi to everyone back in Wisconsin and tell them that this was as strange for me as it probably was for you, but I want you to know that it was just one game -- a game that I wanted to win because I'm a competitor and I love my teammates, but still, none of this changes the fact that I love you guys and I always will." That's it. That's all he had to say to Michele Tafoya after the game.



He didn't say it.



And believe me, I've been there as a fan. It's unforgivable. Especially when you're under 30 and don't realize that many of your "heroes" are people who don't deserve that level of worship, or any worship, for that matter. They just play sports well. They don't care about you. They care about themselves and that's it. If this realization hits you at the wrong time in your life, it can be hard. (I know it was hard for me. I took the Clemens thing personally, as witnessed by the fact that I once wrote a column wondering if he was the Antichrist.) So if the Packers fans want to play along, so to speak, then they can't cheer Favre on Nov. 1. He set the stakes. He made it clear that he's moved on with his new team and cut all ties to the old one. That means you need to go to Lambeau and boo the living hell out of him. Make him miserable. Rattle him. Flummox him. Do everything you can to get the better of him for three hours. This man does not belong to you anymore, and maybe, he never did.

Bill Simmons Article

Anyone else feeling like Drew? I sure am!

Tell you what, I won't be there at Lambeau. But, I sure as hell agree with Bill. He's no longer a Packer. Sure we can appreciate the past, but, he's moved on. It's time we do too. I am working on it.. though it's hard. Brett's comments, more and more, over and over, make it much easier.

But come November 1st.. I hope every Packer fan comes together to show Brett Favre one thing. The past is the past. It wasn't just Brett Favre and the Packers winning that super bowl. It was us too. The best fans in the NFL, no question, no doubt.

So welcome back to Lambeau, Brett. You may not appreciate it, but we have, on many occassions, picked you up and WILLED you to victory. Now you get to see that on another level as we lift up your former team, OUR team. You know, the team you certainly don't understand the way you should and the fans you apparently don't have nearly enough respect for.

What happened to you was sad, but, what's happened to us is far worse. Maybe it's time to bring that to your attention!

-D
Vinnie
It took a Packer to beat the Packers... some things never change.

I always thought that you really do not want to know most celebrities because if you got to know them you wouldn't like them much. When it all said an done, it is just a game. Allegiance is in the fans minds.

Bob_Nelson
QUOTE (Vinnie @ Oct 12 2009, 05:50 PM) *
It took a Packer to beat the Packers... some things never change.

I always thought that you really do not want to know most celebrities because if you got to know them you wouldn't like them much. When it all said an done, it is just a game. Allegiance is in the fans minds.


Before he went to the Vikings, I thought a legitimate argument could be made that this was the best team he's been on since the 1997 Super Bowl team that lost to the Broncos. I don't agree with his comment on this team being better than the 96 and 97 packer teams, but I'm not sure if he is saying this Vikings team is flat out better, or that this team just has better athletes. I would think its the latter, but who knows. That 96 team was such a beast defensively, and this Vikings team isn't as dominate a defense as I thought they were heading into the season.
Skyshadow
I seem to remember our '96 team having a significantly better QB, one that didn't fall apart in November.

Screw the Vikings, and screw Brent whazisface. Go Pack Go!
JimATX
I don't know if his BS is a calculated smoke screen or if he just doesn't know what he is saying half the time... another example of unbelievalbe commentary from Favre.

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"I felt like going to New York last year that I still had it," Favre said today. "I didn't know my arm was hurt at the time. So that's what I try to get across to people. I had that fixed, the surgery to fix that, so I'm trying to make sure that if I go back that part is completely resolved."



PackerJB
What a moron.
Jeremy
QUOTE (faede @ Oct 12 2009, 04:36 PM) *
But I wonder if he truly understands how he's killing Packer fans.


Of course he doesn't. I won't comment on every else you wrote because I'm pretty much over my anger at this point. But if you really look at his words and actions of the past 5 years or so, you'll see a guy who is very self-absorbed. When he was going through his annual "should I retire or play" circus, I honestly don't think it ever dawned on him that his actions were holding the team back in terms of what we might need to do in the draft or free agency based on his decision. That's not say he didn't care about winning or losing. I just don't think it ever occurred to him.

I've heard people say "he doesn't care about the fans of Green Bay." But I think that's overstating it. To him, for all intents and purposes, we don't even exist.



jbeebe1571
As Packer's fans, we loved Bart Starr, then he was gone. We loved Vince Lombardi, then he went to the Redskins. We still named an avenue after him. Everyone loved him so much they named the singular, iconic goal of the entire football season after him. The holy grail: The Lombardi Trophy. Bart Starr returned as a coach, didn't accomplish much, and we still loved him. We loved James Lofton, then he was gone. We thought we'd love Forrest Gregg as a coach, we didn't. Mike Holmgren? The list goes on. Brett Favre is yet another Packers legend that had to leave sometime. Was it handled correctly? No. All good things come to an end. If fans don't find a way to release themselves from obsession with #4's legacy, they'll never move on to see the potential for new heroes. Trust me, #4 isn't losing any sleep over our plight. He probably won't realize anything until years pass, and he is far removed from the playing field. He'll most likely retire a Packer, and will retain the street named after him. Until then, let's celebrate the potential for new heroes.
rpiotr01
Didn't he say the same nonsense about the 2006 Packers team? I think as far as Brett's concerned the team that's paying him and kisses his ass the most is the best team he's ever been on...
GBkrzygrl
QUOTE (rpiotr01 @ Oct 13 2009, 10:17 AM) *
Didn't he say the same nonsense about the 2006 Packers team? I think as far as Brett's concerned the team that's paying him and kisses his ass the most is the best team he's ever been on...



My exact same thoughts.
Cocoman
QUOTE (rpiotr01 @ Oct 13 2009, 10:17 AM) *
Didn't he say the same nonsense about the 2006 Packers team? I think as far as Brett's concerned the team that's paying him and kisses his ass the most is the best team he's ever been on...


In 2006 he said "This was the most talented team", this time he said it was the best team. Those are two different things.
saucyjak
QUOTE (jbeebe1571 @ Oct 13 2009, 09:40 AM) *
As Packer's fans, we loved Bart Starr, then he was gone. We loved Vince Lombardi, then he went to the Redskins. We still named an avenue after him. Everyone loved him so much they named the singular, iconic goal of the entire football season after him. The holy grail: The Lombardi Trophy. Bart Starr returned as a coach, didn't accomplish much, and we still loved him. We loved James Lofton, then he was gone. We thought we'd love Forrest Gregg as a coach, we didn't. Mike Holmgren? The list goes on. Brett Favre is yet another Packers legend that had to leave sometime. Was it handled correctly? No. All good things come to an end. If fans don't find a way to release themselves from obsession with #4's legacy, they'll never move on to see the potential for new heroes. Trust me, #4 isn't losing any sleep over our plight. He probably won't realize anything until years pass, and he is far removed from the playing field. He'll most likely retire a Packer, and will retain the street named after him. Until then, let's celebrate the potential for new heroes.



I agree...6-10 would never of happened last year with him on the team. BUT...I believe our New QB is a potential new hero and when its all said and done Favre will retire a Packer. Somehow...someway.
oletimer
I think this topic is much about nothing-Why? Brett signed with a talented team (much disliked-no doubt), and they are winning string exceptional, why wouldn't Brett hype the potential of his team mates, He is trying to get them more focused on what they could be, with a little effort on their part? Brett did it when he was a Packer and now he employing simular hype message for his team mates. That what a good leader does-maybe and just likelt the norm?
GBP4EVER
Ever since the Walrus has Favre gone insane. MS coddled him way to much to the point where Favre only cared what was best for him and nothing else.
Packer Backer NY
QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Oct 30 2009, 08:27 PM) *
Ever since the Walrus has Favre gone insane. MS coddled him way to much to the point where Favre only cared what was best for him and nothing else.


Total BS.

Brett only cares about winning. No matter what team he plays for.
LMG
QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Oct 30 2009, 05:27 PM) *
Ever since the Walrus has Favre gone insane. MS coddled him way to much to the point where Favre only cared what was best for him and nothing else.


Lot of truth in that statement...if the 'Favre can do no wrong' fans only knew what kind of a person he really is off the field.
diesel
QUOTE (Packer Backer NY @ Oct 31 2009, 07:45 PM) *
Total BS.

Brett only cares about winning. No matter what team he plays for.

53 players on a squad with his attitude towards the game would be a playoff team every year, imo.
Packer Backer NY
QUOTE (LMG @ Oct 31 2009, 08:56 PM) *
Lot of truth in that statement...if the 'Favre can do no wrong' fans only knew what kind of a person he really is off the field.


There is no truth to that statement... If there is, I suggest you post facts and links to back it up.

Come on Larry, I expect more from you than that!

Like Favre or hate him, that was complete BS.
Packer Backer NY
QUOTE (diesel @ Oct 31 2009, 09:03 PM) *
53 players on a squad with his attitude towards the game would be a playoff team every year, imo.


Sure would!
LMG
QUOTE (Packer Backer NY @ Oct 31 2009, 06:29 PM) *
There is no truth to that statement... If there is, I suggest you post facts and links to back it up.

Come on Larry, I expect more from you than that!

Like Favre or hate him, that was complete BS.


Sorry but actually there is truth to it and not complete BS as you say... I have my information...whether you would choose to believe it or not, and I suspect you would not, really doesn't matter.

Heh, I will always appreciate the things that Brett gave us all on the field...that's about it.

BTW, what you can expect from me is the truth something Brett Favre seems to have a huge problem with.
Packer Backer NY
QUOTE (LMG @ Oct 31 2009, 09:50 PM) *
Sorry but actually there is truth to it and not complete BS as you say... I have my information...whether you would choose to believe it or not, and I suspect you would not, really doesn't matter.


No. You have "information" YOU want to believe or opinion you want to be fact, but you don't have any evidence that "Ever since the Walrus has Favre gone insane." If you do, or if you care to provide real evidence...then do so.

Otherwise. It is total BS.

Love him or hate him or loath him for playing "wherever", You cannot pin an "insane" tag on him or take away his commitment to the Packers since Holmgren left. Or to the NFL. Or to want to play and win.

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BTW, what you can expect from me is the truth something Brett Favre seems to have a huge problem with.


You just blew your whole arguement with that last dig against Favre.

Obviously, YOU have a problem with him.
philh64
QUOTE (LMG @ Nov 1 2009, 06:56 AM) *
Lot of truth in that statement...if the 'Favre can do no wrong' fans only knew what kind of a person he really is off the field.


I am not of the 'Favre can do no wrong' crowd, but I do wish to be enlightened about how he really is off the field if you would be so kind.
philh64
Post was duplicated for some reason.
LMG
QUOTE (Packer Backer NY @ Oct 31 2009, 07:42 PM) *
No. You have "information" YOU want to believe or opinion you want to be fact, but you don't have any evidence that "Ever since the Walrus has Favre gone insane." If you do, or if you care to provide real evidence...then do so.

Otherwise. It is total BS.

Love him or hate him or loath him for playing "wherever", You cannot pin an "insane" tag on him or take away his commitment to the Packers since Holmgren left. Or to the NFL. Or to want to play and win.



You just blew your whole arguement with that last dig against Favre.

Obviously, YOU have a problem with him.


This

"Ever since the Walrus has Favre gone insane."


is not what I was replying to.

This

"Favre only cared what was best for him and nothing else."

was.

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You just blew your whole arguement with that last dig against Favre.

Dig?

Nah...Favre's antics/comments are well documented...I was just stating the obvious. No, NOT my problem...his.

People only read what they want but sometimes don't get the real message.


Sorry to burst your Favre bubble but I do have 'factual information' from a mutual business that we (PackerChatters) were in partnership with.
philh64
QUOTE (LMG @ Nov 1 2009, 09:55 AM) *
Sorry to burst your Favre bubble but I do have 'factual information' from a mutual business that we (PackerChatters) were in partnership with.


Is it the same type of 'factual information' that could have been provided by an Arrigo source? wink.gif
PatS4
QUOTE (Packer Backer NY @ Oct 31 2009, 08:31 PM) *
Sure would!



I doubt you could field a team with 53 wafflers

on it who didn't show up till camp was over!!

And Chilly would have to start a limo service.

Do you know him personally?

Then how can you say Larry is wrong?

Your opinion is no better than anyone elses


GO PACK!!!
LMG
QUOTE (philh64 @ Oct 31 2009, 07:53 PM) *
I am not of the 'Favre can do no wrong' crowd, but I do wish to be enlightened about how he really is off the field if you would be so kind.


Baiting not allowed. cool.gif
LMG
QUOTE (philh64 @ Oct 31 2009, 09:15 PM) *
Is it the same type of 'factual information' that could have been provided by an Arrigo source? wink.gif


Sorry, not aware of Joe's sources.
Vinnie
Just about everyone in GB has a "source." I can name a 1/2 dozen bars where players or coaching staff hang out and converse with the bartenders or whoever sits next to them. When it comes down to it, most of them are "Joes" like you and me. I know of a couple more on the board. None of what these people tell me I would ever write in a public form because I do not need anyone questioning the integrity.

As far as it being about any one player, guess what- that is the NFL. It is no different than most organizations nowadays. Players have cutthroat agents and teams will cut them if they feel like it. Allegiance is more in the fans minds than the players. If Favre was looking out for his own interests when the team was obviously moving away from him, should that really suprise anyone?

I hate it that he plays for the queens, I am sure he wants to stick it to he Pack. There was a Sean Jones interview on the radio Friday and he said every time he played for the Raiders, it was personal. I think if a human has an ounce of competiveness, that is natural- chalk it up as human nature.

As much as he wants to stick it to the Pack, the Packers should feel the need to beat the queens for the same reasons- vengence.
carnival
he is simply willing his team forward..if you remember in 07 he said the same thing of the talent on the GBP then..he is a leader and taking the steps he feels he needs to take to WIN... that is his goal it has not a thing to do with us.. the Green Bay Fans
Packer Backer NY
QUOTE (LMG @ Oct 31 2009, 11:55 PM) *
Dig?


Big time.

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Nah...Favre's antics/comments are well documented...I was just stating the obvious. No, NOT my problem...his.


You mean like this statement:

"Both sides are at fault."

Sounds like a pretty rational statement to me. *shrug*

QUOTE
People only read what they want but sometimes don't get the real message.


And you are as guilty as anyone on this. Using words like "antics" and refering to Frave as a liar really doesn't show a middle of the road line of thinking.... Now does it?

QUOTE
Sorry to burst your Favre bubble but I do have 'factual information' from a mutual business that we (PackerChatters) were in partnership with.


Yes, so do I. I have inside information from a guy who was there and heard Ted whispering about how he couldn't wait to throw Brett out of Green Bay.

I just can't reveal this source...... wink.gif
Packer Backer NY
QUOTE (LMG @ Nov 1 2009, 11:31 AM) *
Baiting not allowed. cool.gif


That should have been directed at PATS...

But since he shares your POV, I suspect he is above reproach.

Sorry to be arguementative, but I thought it was worth mentioning.
Bud
QUOTE (PatS4 @ Nov 1 2009, 06:55 AM) *
Your opinion is no better than anyone elses

GO PACK!!!


It would be wise to remember that or does that not apply to you either?

You seem to be just as opinionated as the next guy. Your buttering up of Larry does nothing for me.
LMG
How sad some people just have tunnel vision or are so obsessed with the fact that their hero can do no wrong.

Hope the real life they lead is not that restrictive.
Thirteen Below
QUOTE (LMG @ Oct 31 2009, 09:55 PM) *
Sorry to burst your Favre bubble but I do have 'factual information' from a mutual business that we (PackerChatters) were in partnership with.


You're taking a lot of flack from people who don't seem to want to believe what you're saying, but I've got to support you on this. My step-brother lives in Green Bay, and for several years he was a neighbor of Favre's. He's got a daughter the same age as one of Favre's daughters, and the girls went to school together. They were actually pretty good friends at one point, and I know that she went to at least a couple of games as guests of the Favre family.

Anyway, whenever I'd go to Green Bay to visit my dad, I'd wind up spending a fair amount of time with the step-brother and his family. I never met the Favres, but I met a lot of people at barbecues and things like that who knew them well in the neighborhood. And the best I can say is, he was not very well thought of. Most people didn't actually dislike him, but none of the people i met who knew the family thought very highly of him. The universal consensus among the average joes and janes who knew him as a neighbor was that he was at best stuck up and self-absorbed, and at worst, a conceited jerk. Most of them laughed out loud at the "good ole country boy" persona; none of them thought of Favre this way - at least, not for the last 8 or 10 years. They thought of him as a guy who acted as though the average people in the community were beneath him. They were all good enough Packer fans that they loved watching him play, and appreciated everything he'd done for the franchise and the community, but they didn't care much for him personally.

I know some people are going to ridicule this and question my credibility, but I really couldn't care less. It is what it is. I don't understand why some people seem to want so badly not to believe anything negative about Favre - what's the emotional investment? Why is it so hard to believe that he was both an incredible football player who did more for the franchise and the city of Green Bay than almost any other Packer in history, and a stuck-up guy who's a bit of a jerk toward ordinary people? The history of sports is full of athletes like that. I don't have any trouble at all seeing both sides of the man, and reconciling them. I'm still a huge fan of the career the man had here in Green Bay (still the only sports jersey I own, and probably ever will own), but I don't need to think he was some sort of a god among men in order to fully appreciate his accomplishments as an athlete.
Bud
QUOTE (Thirteen Below @ Nov 1 2009, 01:41 PM) *
You're taking a lot of flack from people who don't seem to want to believe what you're saying, but I've got to support you on this. My step-brother lives in Green Bay, and for several years he was a neighbor of Favre's. He's got a daughter the same age as one of Favre's daughters, and the girls went to school together. They were actually pretty good friends at one point, and I know that she went to at least a couple of games as guests of the Favre family.

Anyway, whenever I'd go to Green Bay to visit my dad, I'd wind up spending a fair amount of time with the step-brother and his family. I never met the Favres, but I met a lot of people at barbecues and things like that who knew them well in the neighborhood. And the best I can say is, he was not very well thought of. Most people didn't actually dislike him, but none of the people i met who knew the family thought very highly of him. The universal consensus among the average joes and janes who knew him as a neighbor was that he was at best stuck up and self-absorbed, and at worst, a conceited jerk. Most of them laughed out loud at the "good ole country boy" persona; none of them thought of Favre this way - at least, not for the last 8 or 10 years. They thought of him as a guy who acted as though the average people in the community were beneath him. They were all good enough Packer fans that they loved watching him play, and appreciated everything he'd done for the franchise and the community, but they didn't care much for him personally.

I know some people are going to ridicule this and question my credibility, but I really couldn't care less. It is what it is. I don't understand why some people seem to want so badly not to believe anything negative about Favre - what's the emotional investment? Why is it so hard to believe that he was both an incredible football player who did more for the franchise and the city of Green Bay than almost any other Packer in history, and a stuck-up guy who's a bit of a jerk toward ordinary people? The history of sports is full of athletes like that. I don't have any trouble at all seeing both sides of the man, and reconciling them. I'm still a huge fan of the career the man had here in Green Bay (still the only sports jersey I own, and probably ever will own), but I don't need to think he was some sort of a god among men in order to fully appreciate his accomplishments as an athlete.


I won't speak for anyone else and their motivations. What's disheartening to me is to see other fans chastising other fans as if we weren't pulling for the same team. It seems some peoples opinions are greater than others and it's kind of funny to see all the glass housing being built. Favre's not killing Packer fans. Packer fans are killing Packer fans. Regardless of Favre's attidue or class, we can't contol it, but we can control our own actions and attitudes. Lets worry less about his and more about or own.
stuffin
I first questioned Favre's sincerity/integrity after the 97 SB. I remember, vaguely now, he didn't come back to GB with the team, he flew directly to Hawaii for the ProBowl (or somewhere). He totally avoided having to talk about the loss. Although I shrugged it off at the time, his actions didn't sit right with me for some reason.
Packer Backer NY
QUOTE (LMG @ Nov 1 2009, 01:26 PM) *
How sad some people just have tunnel vision or are so obsessed with the fact that their hero can do no wrong.

Hope the real life they lead is not that restrictive.


Hero? Favre is just a football player. Hero worship is for children.

LMG, your backhanded insults really don't add anything constructive to the discussion. Maybe you are the one with tunnel vision and maybe you have a hard time understanding that maybe the "Packers" are not always above criticizm.

As someone else said.... Packer fans are killing Packer fans.

Nobody else is.
jpackman
Packer Fans are Killing Packer Fans.....hmmm another view...But as I have poiinted out in the past , at least in My lifetime and my memory...I have never seen ONE player divide a Fan base that I have witnessed over the last 2 years...

And to an expanding thought and Interesting point on all of this.... With Favre making his return to Lambeau in Purple and Yellow....

Imagine the following:

Cal Ripken coming back to Camden yards in Yankee pinstripes....

Elway returning to Mile High as a RAIDER

Aikman returning as a Redskin...

Marino Returning as a JET

Jordan returning as a Piston......

Magic Johnson coming back to LA as a Celtic.....

Just Saying.........

Some things do not FIT.......and that is Why I dont buy that its just the Fans.....We all have actions and ther are RE-Actions.... That is just Human Nature...
Bud
QUOTE (jpackman @ Nov 1 2009, 02:55 PM) *
Packer Fans are Killing Packer Fans.....hmmm another view...But as I have poiinted out in the past , at least in My lifetime and my memory...I have never seen ONE player divide a Fan base that I have witnessed over the last 2 years...

And to an expanding thought and Interesting point on all of this.... With Favre making his return to Lambeau in Purple and Yellow....

Imagine the following:

Cal Ripken coming back to Camden yards in Yankee pinstripes....

Elway returning to Mile High as a RAIDER

Aikman returning as a Redskin...

Marino Returning as a JET

Jordan returning as a Piston......

Magic Johnson coming back to LA as a Celtic.....

Just Saying.........

Some things do not FIT.......


I guess you're right then.
Jeremy
QUOTE (Thirteen Below @ Nov 1 2009, 10:41 AM) *
I know some people are going to ridicule this and question my credibility, but I really couldn't care less. It is what it is. I don't understand why some people seem to want so badly not to believe anything negative about Favre -


I would question your credibility, but I've heard many of the same things myself from friends, and friends of friends. I've yet to hear anyone say, "Yeah, I met him. Great guy!"

But for the 2nd part of your statement, it's only natural. He was our boy for 16 years. Of course we want to believe all the good and dismiss the bad. Now that he's wearing purple all those things people said about him, all those boarderline comments he's made in the media, many of us are not so willing to give him the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Bottom line, people will believe what they want to believe.
packinatl
QUOTE (LMG @ Nov 1 2009, 10:31 PM) *
Sorry, not aware of Joe's sources.


You need to be aware Larry, trust me on that one. I have great respect for this board...and MOST who post here
packinatl
QUOTE (stuffin @ Nov 2 2009, 02:00 AM) *
I first questioned Favre's sincerity/integrity after the 97 SB. I remember, vaguely now, he didn't come back to GB with the team, he flew directly to Hawaii for the ProBowl (or somewhere). He totally avoided having to talk about the loss. Although I shrugged it off at the time, his actions didn't sit right with me for some reason.



the Pro Bowl was the next weekend, that's very normal for most if not all players
Bruce
Favre said, "this is the best team I have ever played on" at least a dozen times in his career.

It is what leaders do to try and inspire their team to greatness - which is where Brett hopes to go with his team each and every year.

Brett Favre is a great QB. He is through playing for and against the Packers at least until the playoffs (knock on wood).

Hopefully the organization and fans can get over obsessing about him - positively and negatively - and simply move on.
The GM
The best advice I heard in this whole situation came from Favre himself. "Move on". My hope is this doesnt turn into the Packers of the 60's where it was the only talk of the town for the next 20 years while we watched a doormat team in the 70s and 80's. Favre is gone, our focus needs to be in Green Bay, not the Jets, not Minnesota, and certainly not how Favre treated his neighbors. Is Farve a jerk off the field, I dont know, and I certainly dont care. We need to focus on THIS team and getting back to the elite.
We got enough issues on this team, we dont need any more from somebody who isnt here any longer.

As Favre said "Move on", thats the best advice I've heard on this entire matter.
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