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Butler4HOF
Finley was one of the few positives to take from this game. Others were AR's play and the run defense. Also there were a couple of good screen passes, haven't seen that in a while. Finley stood out though, been waiting for him to have a big game, hopefully this was a springboard for the rest of the year and career as a Packer.
WCH
QUOTE (Butler4HOF @ Oct 6 2009, 12:48 AM) *
Finley was one of the few positives to take from this game. Others were AR's play and the run defense. Also there were a couple of good screen passes, haven't seen that in a while. Finley stood out though, been waiting for him to have a big game, hopefully this was a springboard for the rest of the year and career as a Packer.


Finley looked outstanding. I think he's going to be a star for us. Bubba was a great blocking TE, but I don't think we've had a receiving TE like this since Keith Jackson.

I don't want to anoint him too early, and I'm sure that he'll have some ups and downs this season, but I think we have a real gem in this guy.

I would also add Nelson to the list of positives. Specifically, I think that he could be a great return man (although I'd hate to see him emerge as a KR because of an injury to Blackmon sad.gif ).
stuffin
QUOTE (Butler4HOF @ Oct 6 2009, 11:48 AM) *
Finley was one of the few positives to take from this game. Others were AR's play and the run defense. Also there were a couple of good screen passes, haven't seen that in a while. Finley stood out though, been waiting for him to have a big game, hopefully this was a springboard for the rest of the year and career as a Packer.



He did well, will wait and reserve judgement...
Butler4HOF
Nelson had a couple third down catches to move the chains and his TD was well done, the throw on stride and his getting it in. Nelson is a decent return guy, had that nice return called back for holding, which hurt, but he botched that punt at the end, didn't hurt, but if we lose that ball the game is over and the score looks less inviting.
Rob
Too bad Lee didnt bother to show up. Dropped TD in a 7 point game seems important.
Bud
QUOTE (WCH @ Oct 6 2009, 12:54 AM) *
Finley looked outstanding. I think he's going to be a star for us. Bubba was a great blocking TE, but I don't think we've had a receiving TE like this since Keith Jackson.

I don't want to anoint him too early, and I'm sure that he'll have some ups and downs this season, but I think we have a real gem in this guy.

I would also add Nelson to the list of positives. Specifically, I think that he could be a great return man (although I'd hate to see him emerge as a KR because of an injury to Blackmon sad.gif ).



I'm with you. I think using Finley in the right way will put pressure on a defense. Not only vertically, but horizontally. The possible mismatches he creates will surely work in the Packers favor. From formation shifts, to split out or keep him tight, just make sure he's out in the pattern and things will open up.
JASIII
Finley, Driver and Nelson all looked good tonight. Lee would have had a good night (don't forget that hurdle) except for the dropped pass in the endzone.
Butler4HOF
QUOTE (JASIII @ Oct 6 2009, 01:06 AM) *
Finley, Driver and Nelson all looked good tonight. Lee would have had a good night (don't forget that hurdle) except for the dropped pass in the endzone.

was that his hurtle or was that Grant? Lee's always jumping over people so it could have been him, but I think that was Grant tonight. That drop hurt, but it was a tough pass at his knees.
Rob
QUOTE (Butler4HOF @ Oct 5 2009, 10:09 PM) *
was that his hurtle or was that Grant? Lee's always jumping over people so it could have been him, but I think that was Grant tonight. That drop hurt, but it was a tough pass at his knees.


Well if it was Grant he wouldve just run into the tackler. It was definitely Lee.
WCH
QUOTE (Rob @ Oct 6 2009, 01:39 AM) *
Well if it was Grant he wouldve just run into the tackler. It was definitely Lee.


LMAO!!!

It's funny, because it's true. sad.gif
Terry
QUOTE (Butler4HOF @ Oct 6 2009, 05:48 AM) *
Finley was one of the few positives to take from this game. Others were AR's play and the run defense. Also there were a couple of good screen passes, haven't seen that in a while. Finley stood out though, been waiting for him to have a big game, hopefully this was a springboard for the rest of the year and career as a Packer.

I don't agree about AR. This is the first time I've been critical of him but he was as much a liability in that game as anyone else. He had better protection in many cases than we credit the line for, including the fumble play.

I don't want to get into one of these polarity arguments in which all kinds of things are assumed that hasn't been said. I've always defended the decision to run with Aaron and let Brett go and I still very much am. I was relieved to see in the JS poll that 2/3 of the papers readers agree, in spite of last night.

I also know that packages come as they are, flaws and warts notwithstanding. You always get the bad with the good and I'm glad we have Rodgers.

Having said that, I can wish a little, can't I? The one quality from Brett that I wish Rodgers had a bit more of is instinctive behaviour; the courage to act first and think second. A bit I say, not as much as Brett, not enough to be careless and completely devil-may-care. But right now, I get the sense that Aaron is too friggin' cerebral - by which I mean left brain oriented - to really reach his potential. And yesterday was definitely not a good game on his part.

Assuming for the minute that I'm right, I don't have huge hope for the immediate future. It's very rare for people to have just the right balance in left/right brain activity. The problem for left brain oriented people is that they rely on the left brain to try to solve problems - even when those problems are based on being too left brain. It's usually what they've done all their lives, from very early childhood on. Such people experience great fear from venturing to the other side of their brains. So practically speaking, we don't have much hope for that change - the hope will be more in him being intelligent enough to calculate further and faster and in repetition, which will take over the bodies of even the most cerebral of people.

What Rodgers needs at least as much as continued football practice and study are things like martial arts training (which emphasizes the mind more than the physical aspects, something like Tai Chi which doesn't actually become martial for about ten years), zen training, and maybe something like picking up a copy of "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" and taking up drawing in his spare time. Again, assuming that I'm right.

Which of course I am. cool.gif
PackJK
QUOTE (Terry @ Oct 6 2009, 10:11 AM) *
I don't agree about AR. This is the first time I've been critical of him but he was as much a liability in that game as anyone else. He had better protection in many cases than we....


Sorry, but you're way off base here. To put up the kind of numbers he did with the kind of pressure he was facing is almost unheard-of. Do you REALLY think Favre would have done better behind our OL last night? Not a chance. Some people on here are claiming he held the ball too long all night. Maybe so, but does anyone remember Favre's inability to know when to take a sack? And what would he do? He would throw the ball up for grabs and end up with an INT. In fact, most of his INTs were the result of him refusing to take a sack or throw the ball away.

If we had swapped QBs last night, the results would have been the same. The difference is while AR threw 70% for 2 TDs (3, actually; it's not his fault Lee can't catch) 1 INT and 8 sacks, Favre's numbers might have been more like 70% 3 TDs, 3 INTs and 5 sacks and an intentional grounding or two. Either way, we would have lost.
Ellis269
Even though this is a thread about Jermichael Finley, I'll chime in on one thing that I noticed. I used to cringe when Mike Sherman would roll Brett to the short side of the field. He would almost always force the ball into coverage and give up a pick. I love watching Rodgers roll out, because his decisions are so much better and because I know that he'll throw it away if it isn't there.

Now back to Jermichael Finley. . .

6 catches for 162 yards and one TD. He also had a few key first downs and didn't drop any easy passes that I remember. He can definitely move well for such a big guy. His only major error was not getting into the endzone on his route on the goalline. A touchdown there would have been huge for the Packers at that point. Big night for the kid. I hope it's just the first of many yet to come.
Johosophat
QUOTE (JASIII @ Oct 6 2009, 12:06 AM) *
Finley, Driver and Nelson all looked good tonight. Lee would have had a good night (don't forget that hurdle) except for the dropped pass in the endzone.


Thats a BIG but. We need a TE who we know is going to catch that pass on 4th down with the game on the line. It pretty much ended our chances of a comeback.
Johosophat
QUOTE (Ellis269 @ Oct 6 2009, 12:10 PM) *
I love watching Rodgers roll out, because his decisions are so much better and because I know that he'll throw it away if it isn't there.


Or get sacked... Again. lol
Ellis269
How many times did he roll out and find the open guy on that side of the field? Jordy caught a couple of them that extended drives late in the game.

He's very accurate on the run and he does really well outside of the pocket. The only time I saw him get sacked rolling out is when he underestimated how fast Ben Leber could get to him.
NeuBrew
QUOTE (Ellis269 @ Oct 6 2009, 07:10 PM) *
How many times did he roll out and find the open guy on that side of the field? Jordy caught a couple of them that extended drives late in the game.

He's very accurate on the run and he does really well outside of the pocket. The only time I saw him get sacked rolling out is when he underestimated how fast Ben Leber could get to him.


Two years from now the offense will be centered around Jennings, Jordy , Finley, and a rookie running back. Jordy and Finley are clutch performers.
LuvdaPack36
QUOTE (Rob @ Oct 6 2009, 12:02 AM) *
Too bad Lee didnt bother to show up. Dropped TD in a 7 point game seems important.




Imagine if he would of caught that and that bogus Woodson call wouldnt of happened....



I LOVE Finley. Liked him in college and was excited when he was drafted. Lots of people were down on that pick but he's going to be a playmaker on this team.
Johosophat
QUOTE (Ellis269 @ Oct 6 2009, 01:10 PM) *
How many times did he roll out and find the open guy on that side of the field? Jordy caught a couple of them that extended drives late in the game.

He's very accurate on the run and he does really well outside of the pocket. The only time I saw him get sacked rolling out is when he underestimated how fast Ben Leber could get to him.


It wasn't a reference to the amount of times he's been sacked whilst rolling out, it was a reference to his unwillingness or inability to throw the ball away when under pressure.
Savvy
I would say its more of an inability to throw it away. How many times would he have to throw it away during a game within the first 2 seconds of the snap to avoid most of these sacks? Almost constantly (i say ALMOST) he is forced to make a decision before anything resembling the original play call is allowed to unfold. We may as well have card board cutouts of O linemen in front of him most of the time. It's borderline ridiculous how terrible this line is right now. No protection and no running game. Even the best skill position players out there need that line up front to do their jobs most of the time, if they didn't some teams that feature top end skill position players could still function effectively with bottom of the barrel O line play. Correct me if I'm wrong here but I don't think you see that anywhere in the NFL.

Finley's a BEAST! Love the guy, he's a match up nightmare for opposing D's and I sincerely hope he plays every down of his career for the Pack. smile.gif
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