Im dissapointed. In the back of my mind I thought the Vikes would win but its still hard to swallow.


Im still worried about the Oline. Pass protection was terrible. 4 years now of this rag tag bunch and nothing is being done.

I thought we did a good job of stopping the run but the middle of field passing wise was not good again.

Whatever call Woodson got was bunk. He got robbed big time.

Favre got hit a few times but the pressure was non exsitent.

Brett played lights out. He was a man on a mission and it showed.

I thought we played well but this is an average team at best more so with this offensive line.

Thoughts?

Run D was great. Who's running the show in the def backfield? Looks like Kurt Schottenheimer to me. Thank God for Woodson or we'd be laughable. This game has to be a wakeup call or the coaching staff should be nervous.

I agree with Luvda that tonight was predictable but still tough to swallow. That said, I don't believe the division race ended tonight.

A cursory glance at the schedule suggests the Packers, Vikings and Bears may all enter November with 2 losses, making the Vikings game at Lambeau another battle for first place.

Am I alone?

I hope not.

I am in....

The worst officiating I've ever seen in 30 years of watching NFL football. It's like ESPN wanted Favre to win to keep up ratings. I've never, ever bought into conspiracy theories about the NFL being fixed, but after tonight, I'll rethink that. Holding all over the place and the Vikings get zero penalties, while Allen Babre simply looks at the ball and gets offsides. I played H.S. football, and would have never thought twice about looking for the snap. Woodsen in the end zone was a ridiculous call that cost us seven, please don't evan get me started on all the bullsh&^% that went on nearly every play otherwise. I'm beyond disgusted. and well beyond pissed off.

I really had the feeling the Packers would win this game. The Vikings, imo, weren't really setting the NFL on fire on either side of the ball and I thought the Pack would match up well. I'm sounding like a broken record but I am very suprised by the lack of heat they brought to Favre. They had done a nice job shutting down AP but the lack of heat gave Favre all day to make those plays.

Seriously, you can't tell me that anyone whose played the game isn't angry after this one.

Um, I thought the ole lady wasn't going to let me post, but I'm in a better mood than I thought.

Fact of the matter is, the D-Line play of the Vikings is far superior than our O-Line. That me, was the difference. Was our defense porous? Yes, it was. But two critical near red-zones turnovers plus one offensive drop by D. Lee and win this game.

I believe that.

Does it hurt? Hell yes it does. Is it the end of world? No it's not. We will live to play the Lions, fans, and play the Vikings again for that matter.

And lemme tell you one more thing, while the wife lets me .

I believe in Aaron Rodgers more than I ever, EVER, have after tonight. That man took a beating, and still found a way to keep his team in the game.

In Aaron I trust, more proud that he's the QB of the GB Packers.

I drank too much, time for bed.

It would have been nice to see Favre that motivated back when he played for us.

Frankly, I'm just flat-out angry (or as angry as I get about sports, anyhow). I've said before it was his call and all that he should play if he wants to and all that junk, but now that I'm sitting here on the other side of that game it seems pretty clear that he was out specifically to spit in the face of the Green Bay Packers, and I just can't abide that.

After all, as has been pointed out, it's not as if he got a "told you so" off with the players -- most of them never played with him and it's not as if they made the decision to can him. It's not as if he got a "told you so" off with Ted Thompson -- despite the storyline ESPN is spooning up, the only way he'll do that is if he doesn't fade in December and then plays another ten solid years.

So when he was sitting there bawling again? It was because he was so happy to beat the Packers, the team I pull for. Maybe I'll feel differently in a few years, but I'm pretty pissed off and I don't think I'll be over it anytime soon. Fair or not, my gut tells me this guy I pulled for and liked over all those years is really just a vindictive jerk.

You gotta be kidding me. I absolutely hate the Vikes and I didn't see a bias by the ref's. MM's teams are undisciplined. This has been going on for way to long. The Woodson call was bogus, but dam we had another penalty on that play that rendered the call mute. Our problem is coaching and lack of talent at OL. I will let the lack of talent at LB slide since the defense is new. The lack of talent at OL is inexcusable. Oh, and can I say lets get back to a west coast offense. The big play offense we run is boom or bust. Jennings has disappeared and James Jones is not a player. Let's see more of Jordy Nelson. He is productive whenever he is on the field.

Get the DVR the TIVO... There was no one offsides on the woodsen call... Sorry.. Also Why Not Keep a Close eye on some of those protections in the Middle... And how many hands to the face... and how many times kampan got held... if you think there is a NFL team that has 0 ..I mean ZERO penalities in a GAME... I am not drinking that Koolaid... I am not Blaming the game on the refs... But Just saying Woodsen gets the Pick...do the Queens score... and if Kampy gets a few calls on them 3rd and longs... and just maybe a few other stops...

I did think the Vikings got away with a lot of muggings while the Packers did not so much. Any team Favre plays on is going to get more of the calls their way just because the league is so bias towards Favre.

No bias? You better go back and review the game. The Vikings got away with holding all night.
Bull crap calls on the Pack and nothing, NOTHING on the pukes. Come on.
However, the complete embarrassment of the OL is most disconcerning. I still can't fathom why you would enter the season with one starting OT gone and the other aging and coming back from multiple surgeries. If you believe the talent is there , then you should be taking a very long and critical look at the OL coach...
#4 played a great game but everytime he made a celebratory motion in his Viking uniform was a twist of the knife in my heart. I don't know that I've ever felt such animosity towards an athelete in any sport.

Its a shame he wont be around long enough to enjoy. He's getting murdered out there and Id be shocked if he makes it through the year.

I think we will see the Packers sign a OT this week with the bye week here. It will give them time to get him up to speed somewhat.

Wont matter. Its pretty clear that Ted has ZERO ability when it comes to judging offensive linemen.

I would think that is in the cards... and maybe even a trade of one of the LB's...not sure on how much time is left to trade... and what we could get of value...

I have to disagree. The officiating has been horrendous the past few years and last night was no different, and the Packers were victimized by several bad calls I thought.

I agree with everything else, loving jordy nelson. You have to protect Rodgers in order to get the ball to Jennings, also, he has been doulbed up on alot lately.

Couple more thoughts.

Campen needs to go. Quickly.

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Its pretty clear we also have problems at safety after we have to being Bush in because Martin gets benched.

This OL may very well be the downfall of this regime b/c right now I don’t see any quick fixes. Realistically, what is the shortest time frame we could possibly expect for turning the OL into something respectable? 2-3 years? The big play offense that MM seems to want to run just isn’t possible with the OL we have.

On a positive note, at least our OL made actual all-pro DL's look like all-pro's week.

And where oh where has Jennings dissapeared to? 3 for 31 last night? Not exactly the Greg we all know.

At least the OL is on pace to set a record for letting the QB be sacked in a season. Right now Carr holds that at 76.

Rodgers does have to learn to get rid of the ball quicker. Probably 1/4 of the sacks have been a result of Rodgers holding the ball too long. Carr had the same problem.

He can't catch passes when his QB is being mauled.

Rodgers is not the problem. It's the OL that is letting him down. He needs more time to throw and he needs to let plays develop.

On another note, I liked the play action and we had a few good runs. I thought we should have kept going to that well a little more often.

McCarthy should have kicked the FG at the goal line. Take the points. IMO.

Even though the Vikings had won three games they didn't really look all that great doing it, they just squeaked out a couple close wins that could be called lucky wins. The Packers managed to make the Vikings look like a great team; I'm not sure where this puts the Packers in the league rankings maybe at the top of the bottom third of all NFL teams.

Outside of some coaches there are three major problem areas on this team, safety, offensive line and defensive line.

Safety could be fixed fairly quickly through a combination of free agency, trades and the draft. Defensive line can improve with Raji getting healthy and gaining experience; add a free agent or two and things can get better. Kampman needs to be traded he is not a good fit with Capers defense; I would add Barnett up for trade also. Barnett seems lost out there and is a poor blitzing linebacker, which is a major strike against him in this defense.

The offense line is the biggest problem on this team, and there is no easy or quick solution. I say if you get it right you are at least two - three years away from building a decent offensive line, forget about a great line that will take minimum of four years. And since it will take that long to build a decent offensive line, I'd be looking hard at finding a replacement for Grant he is okay but will always just be okay never great.

Aarons on pace to throw for close to 4400 yards. Jennings has seen 240 of that and 103 of that 240 came in one game off of 2 big plays.


Rodgers might be getting mauled but he's getting the ball out there. Greg is not doing his job.

My thoughts exactly. I looked at this last night. Vikes play the Rams next, but then the Ravens and Steelers. They could possibly go 1-2 in that stretch. We have a bye to get healthy (and hopefully fix the O-line woes) and then play the Lions and Browns. I could easily see the 5-2 Vikes vs. the 4-2 Packers at Lambeau playing for first.

I'm really hoping to see a shake-up in the O-line over the bye week.

Dead ON......Could not agree more....



Again I agree ...Kampy and Barnett could get us some help we need in the problem areas... Saftey and Line... Bishop and Mathews and Chillar and Hawk should be the 4 LB's....



I agree Grant is not the answer...He is a tad bit Like Dorsey but we need that slashing Back... a Speed burner... we could correct this quickly ....

It was quite apparent that Deanna Favre wanted this game badly. She looked like on pissed off lady Monday Night. Make no doubt about her intention was to stick it to the Packers.

It would be nice to see TT do something drastic and trade some of those precious draft picks for a capable O-tackle over the bye week. It won't happen but I can always hope.

Or maybe MM needs to call more slants and quick routes to get Greg the ball. I still don't really see this as Jennings being an issue or Rodgers.

Maybe but either way Greg is not getting the ball and he looks frustrated as hell when the camera pans to him. I dont know where to look to find out how many times Rodgers has thrown the ball to him but he has 11 receptions this season in 4 games.

Im so damn frustrated right now with McCarthy I could pull my hair out.

Uh Oh, Campen is target number one for most of the posters on here. When there is a loss we always find a whipping boy. Is it the talent or is it the coaching ... or (lol) could it be both. I actually think it is both.

I too, noticed Martin was benched for Bush. Not sure when, 3rd quarter or was that the start of the 4th? I don't think Favre and the Queens were going after Al Harris as much as they were going after Martin. When is Atari Bigby coming back?

I think its both also. I wasnt implying it was just coaching by any means but Campen is part of the problem. The bigger picture is Teds inability to locate talent on the offensive line either through drafting or via FA.

Getting the ball to Jennings is the least of our worries. Priority 1: the Packers need to find a way to protect Rodgers, Priority 2: Open up better running lanes for Grant, and Priority 3: Figure out who and how with strong safety.

Jennings is a team player and his presence for a double team opens up passes to other players.

I believe the cup is still half full. Just to premise these comments, they're not excuses. I had hopes for a 9-7/10-6 type season. We're still on pace for that. In our 2 losses we've played pretty bad yet only lost by a touchdown each time. The o-line is atrocious, and everything else outside of A-Rodg is mediocre. Add to that this is the first year in the 3-4. This team hasn't come close to putting together a complete 3 phase game. Yet we're 2-2. They have shown me that they simply do not roll over. I take heart in that. It's the key to any hope we have.

Positives from last night:
- Aaron played lights out despite 2 turnovers, being sacked 500 times and running for his life!
- Grant ran HARD, if we could ever get a lead we need to get him the ball more
- 88 finally showed us what he can do
- CM3 is a keeper
- Run D showed up, now let's have that on a consistent basis

Oh btw, I love Brett. No, I'm not rooting for him. How could I in a Vikes uni? Never. However, he does still have it. I was impressed, but not surprised. His interviews/presser were classy. Thanks 4.

peac-E

Couldn't agree with you anymore .. you are right. However, I am one who is not advocating TT's head on a plater. But still, TT should be held responsible for what he has given MM for an offensive line.

I'm not claiming Rodgers is the primary problem, but he's part of it. There have been several sacks that could have been avoided if his pocket presence was a little better. I can only expect his ability to feel pressure will improve over time. Unfortunately, even taking away 1 sack per game, we'd still have a crazy bad # of sacks which CAN be attributed to poor OL play.

My rants... God knows I need to rant right now.

Every season it seems like the same old story. Mistakes, fundamentals and dumb penalties. MM keeps preaching that they need to do a better job, but HE himself isn't getting this team ready.

The o-line needs to change after this season. Get BIG players, not athletic and small players. We need to beef that line up or A-Rod won't have a career left.

D-Lee: You ask for the ball in the end zone, CATCH IT. Right in you hands how the hell do you miss that?

Jennings, where the hell are you? Are you just happy you got payed?

Awesome game to have NO pass rush whatsoever.

Nice phantom call on the Woodson INT in the end zone. I DID NOT see an offside from the Pack as well.

So the Vikings went 3 quarters with NO penalties? Gimme a break refs. C'mon man!

Worst of all we lost to the Vikings, and I do not see the Packers turning this season around. Time to look forward to next season?

I am frustrated with the team (organization, is a better word here) as a whole. I don't expect much out of MM because I never thought he was worthy of being a HC. Not after being last in the league as an OC for San Fran. Maybe he needed a few more years at that position to get better.

I am sick of all the excuses as to why we don't draft for need, make the right choices, or go out and get the Free Agents that would help us win. I am sick of trying to blame the refs as to reasons why we lose.

Losing sucks and losing to the Vikings sucks even worse. Now they have OUR HOF QB starting for them and he is kicking our tails all over the field. Brett looked good. Controlled, poised and determined and his throws were accurate and hard. And worst of all, he had a line to protect him and allow him the luxury of picking targets and going through his reads. Even when the running game went South, he was able to keep those chains moving and put points on the board.

Yea, I am frustrated too.

Sorry but my brain is tired who is CM3....

Nevermind Clay Mathews....

I said it before, but really this so-called OL scheme is NOT working. Are we a power team or finese team or ZBS team? It looks like GB is trying all of the above and then some. This is important b/c if your basic scheme is not working, everything else is crap as well. I called for Campen to go before the season started. These players may not be world beaters, but it cannot be all of the players fault???? Can it????

Did GB pick up only players that cannot play? I don't think so. I don't think that these players are as bad as they are playing. It seems that they are ALL THINKING and not playing. IT IS too complicated for them and why? Do you ask OL and DL to be scientists? I don't think so and it looks to me that they are all thinking and then after more and more worried about not messing up. What happens? Exactly what they are obsessing about.

Rodgers holding onto the ball to long is fixable ... the offensive line not doing its job is a bit more difficult especially with injuries to it.

I've read a few posts bashing the DL after this game and I really don't get it. In this scheme they are not supposed to be the ones pressuring the qb, they are supposed to take up space and let others get the glory. What we are lacking is play makers at LB. Hopefully Matthews will eventually be the answer on one side, but I don't think the answer for the other side is on the roster right now.

I think Martin got benched after that TD to Berrian(?) Harris was really ticked off, looks like Martin was supposed to be deep help on that play and blew it. Harris was on the sideline phone to the coaches upstairs and then Martin got pulled.

3rd down defense killed us. Kept them in good down & distance and they still converted on 3rd down.

I gotta agree. Right now Barnett and Hawk are looking average. Kampman looks out of place and Matthews is young.

Is there a reason Bishop isnt getting any playing time?

Chillar is making some plays though although its sporadic.

Its been that way going back to the Sherman days. We get to 3rd and long and the next thing you know its 1st down.

The coaching staff gets all the blame for this one. Our best pass rusher, one of the top 5 pass rishers in the NFL over the past 5 years has been turned into a coverage linebacker! How on earth do you give Favre almost 8 seconds to complete a third down pass and your BEST PASS RUSHER IS IN COVERAGE! Great, switch to the 3-4 and marginalize your best defensive player (better than Woodson when at DE).

Other than that, this game was a testament to the lack of importance that TT has placed on the oline in both free agency and the draft. TT has had some success in the draft (though not quite as much as he gets credit for) and yet his best pick is going to get killed, ala Matt Schaub, because nobody could be bothered to look for adequate players. The whole, get bigger philosophy isn't the answer. TT has been completely unable to judge talent for the oline throughout his history. He's drafted big players (not Loadholt big but there aren't many that size) but his emphasis there is not great and then coupled with his inability (and the rest of the scouting team) to judge oline talent and your highest drafted lineman is Colledge, an average (at best) guard and awful left tackle.

This game made me sick. To watch a spectacular game like that from Rodgers was like watching the last stand of the hero in a movie. He kept firing, but all those shots he was taking were too much to overcome.

TT has drafted more OL than any other position. THAT raises a whole new set of questions. Coaching? Scheme? Talent evaluation?