Great job on Peterson by the Packers D.

Way too many special teams penalties.

Why did it take so long to see Jame Jones and Jordy Nelson in the offense???????

Good game by Finley but on tht third down goal line play he need to be in the endzone when cutting out.
Donald Lee needs to make that catch in the endzone.

Nice strip by Matthews.

You'd think on those great onside kicks by Crosby especially the second one, players would go straight after Sidney Rice legs and cut him down.

Our OL is embarrassing, I'll leave it at that.

Rodgers played great considering they were in his shorts on every play.

Favre played well and within himself. He has the weapons and used them. He was just about untouched all night. and went after Al Harris a lot.

-Anybody see Nick Collins tonight?????????????

-Too little, too late from Ryan Grant. We need a running back who can be the threat to take it all the way like Grant used too. Its not Brandon Jackson or Deshawn Wynn.

McCarthy has some problems to fix, and keeping his QB healthy is a big one.

Think that the first point really is at the heart of Grant's production and obviously protection. Grant is not a top back, but I do not see him as the problem. I just pray something can be done. An early bye week is usually a bad thing but this may be the perfect thing for GB to get healthy and shore up its line...

The Packers looked bad, the Vikings looked great and the game still wasn't a blowout. This team has potential -- people may not see it, people may concentrate on the negative, but I see it.

The Packers can turn the corner and contend this year, and I believe they will.

I am with you Sky... we just need that One Game where it all comes together and they will get it...

I hope they can, but this OL isnt going to be fixed with a bye week or one good game. Even with Clifton, Rodgers was under pressure in those games.

It all seems to be there other than the oline play. The question is does clifton make that much of a difference?

And the answer is no.

You only need to OL to shape up just a little. Give up 2 fewer sacks a game, you've got a winner.

they were a lot better than this. They seemed to play well week one against a pressure defense. I agree a slight improvement will go a long ways.

Rodgers played great?

Favre played well?

Switch that. Favre played great and maybe I give you Rodgers played well, but 2 turnovers within field goal range?

Oh my, some major points of agreements, some not so much in agreement.

Peterson was a non-factor in this game- except he gave Favre the ability to be Favre. Was he effective running? No. Was he effective on making the Packers think constantly about stopping him? Yes.

Way too many special teams penalties? Way too many penalties. period. I'm sure this is something MM will "correct and address" during the lull. Again.

Jones and Nelson are secondary receivers, and, all too often, the Packers were forced (again) to go to max protection against the rush. This is getting all too familiar- keep more players in to defend against a four man rush, and therefore have fewer players able to actually make positve yardage. I'm sure this will be "addressed and corrected" during this lull. Again.

Peterson seems to be a fumbling machine. I still remember Packers fans piling on Ahman Green for fumbling too much. But 14 fumbles in a little over two seasons? Quite seriously, does he have small hands, like Daunte Culpepper? I don't understand. But I don't believe Green came anywhere near that mark during his time with the Packers.

Would going after Rice's legs be legal on an onside kick?

The OL? Oh my goodness. You're right- the less said, the better.

As far as the Packers defense, I'll write about that later. Right now, I am very disillusioned by Capers. Very.

There were many positive aspects of G's offense during the early going. Then they changed. Another time.

Collins? Grant? Different stories. The former a complete nonentity. The latter, an occasional weapon. I would disagree with equating the two.

The problem: the OL. Big time. Give Rodgers some time, and he'll be killer. As long as he doesn't hold the ball too long (which he did in at least three instances against the Vikings).

This was Brett Favre's night. He got his revenge. The only question remains, will he now try to spike the ball when he faces the Packers again in November, in Lambeau, or will he simply try to get a win against the Packers? I think he goes for the gold, and tries to embarrass the Packers again. Maybe he does- after all, he is Brett Favre. But the Packers are going to be on a real mission next time.

from what I can recall every big pass play was to harris and martins side. From what I could see they stayed away from collins. Kind of hard when they pick on the other guy the whole time.

I'm proud of the effort they put forth. The defense held AP in check to the very end. Usually you'll see a good running team run out the clock when they're up a couple scores. Look at the Packers back in the day with Levens, then Green. But no, the Packers defense took it to him for 60 minutes.

Rodgers was getting killed, and didn't hang his head and mentally checko ut. He kept coming after it. Even the O line. Under assault all night, they only had one false start. It's nt Colledge's fault he was asked to play LT against probably the best pass rusher when he's on artificial turf.

The Vikings were the better team, the more healthy team, and playing at home. I didn't expect a win, and this wasn't the end of the season for the Packers. After the bye, they need to take control and win the next 4 games. Even 3-1 keeps them alive.

Very simply, the O line needs help and I'm not sure they ever get it this year. At the same time, we can't oput pressure on the opposing QB. As long as their QB has time to throw and ours doesn't, it will be difficult to win games.

Question on the comments that Rodgers holds on to the ball to long?

Would you rather he throw an INT or take the sack?

Neither. Throw it out of bounds. He's got a strong enough arm to get it out of bounds from anywhere on the field.

All there? Really?

Where's our stud WR Jennings?

How's our backup to the backup of the backup safety?

How's the discipline that keeps netting us penalties?

How's the running game (albeit, Grant ran hard last night)

How's that impression of the invisible man that Kampman is doing?

How's that crazy 3-4 defense that brings the heat every time?



Sorry, "all" isn't there. Not even close. The team could win more with a stable o-line, no doubt about that. But they're a long way from being in the league of the Giants/Ravens, etc.

I'd rather he check down (Grant, Wynn and Lee were all wide open inside on three of his sacks) or throw the ball away (the one were he was outside the pocket and took a hard shot by Leber was completely unnecessary) instead of either of the options you listed. The protection has not been good this year. Everyone knows that. But it's not realistic for Aaron to hold the ball and expect the pass blocking to hold up for longer than 4 seconds. He's holding it too long trying to make something big happen. Throw it away and try to put yourself into better down and distance situations.

I don't think they were in his shorts on every play. Or at least, they didn't get into his shorts on several occasions before he'd had ample time to throw the ball.

Though at this stage, this is a bit redundant...


...I'd rather he threw to an open receiver - or as Favre does, throw to open a receiver.

Agree on most of the points above, with a few exceptions:

-Grant looked faster to me than he has in months. Must have been the long socks... That being said, not having a legitimate running game that we've missed since Ahman and William Henderson were in the house makes it easy for teams to scheme against us. If you know the RB is no threat, you can bring the house without fear.
-Kamp is playing within the system as he should. Putting him back down in a 3 point makes sense to me, though.
-Harris wasn't the one getting burned, it was Martin behind him. Way to think long term by releasing Smith, TT. Instead, let's throw in a guy who's never started in the league, and never played S before this year. And how 'bout that Matt Giorodano (sp)? Didn't he look amazing?
-Jordy looked pretty good, a third receiver now, but not in a year or so.
-A-Rod is about as tough as they come. Knowing they were bringing the heat each and every down, getting slammed time and time again and pulling himself off the turf to throw for that many yards - amazing.
-If TT and MM are not begging Tauscher to come back right now, they need to give their communal heads a shake. A-Rod will get hurt sooner or later - it's a virtual lock. Clifton needs to be back.

Anyone like the idea of putting a personal bodyguard behing the RB each and every play? Stick a mobile guard back there who comes up as A-Rod drops back. A-Rod then uses him like a screen in basketball, manoevering himself so that the bodyguard is always between him and the rushing DT/DE. Sure, we lose a body on offense, but our QB stays alive.

The difference being Favre had all night back there to throw and was pretty much untouched all night. The only pressure Favre got was from his teammates in the huddle asking for the ball.

Good one.

I don't understand all this love for Smith. If he is so wonderful why is he STILL the 3rd stringer on a winless team?

Because fans naturally latch onto a guy who does well in preseason and ignore their faults (Smith was always out of position in a defensive scheme where that can't happen). Combine that with the grass being greener on the other side...

I don't know. Apparently Charles Woodson thinks it was a terrible decision to let Smith go. This is our best defensive player with enough football IQ to be a coach in the NFL. He is really second guessing the decision to let Smith go. He said one of the reasons this defense played so well in the preseason was because we had a guy that was very familiar with the defense back in the secondary. My biggest problem is not letting Smith go but assuming Bigby would make it through the whole year or play at a high level the whole year. We simply don't have anybody other than Collins at safety right now. We are in a pretty scary situation now. Our starting safety opposite Collins is a guy that we picked up right before the start of the season with no starting experience at safety. He was just converted to safety this offseason. This is considered one of the most important positions in the 3-4 defense. Letting Smith and Rouse go to me was a big mistake.