I realize that we hired Grant to be a one cut guy in our zone blocking scheme, but does anyone else notice his almost clinical inability to shift his hips?

I'm not expecting a barry sanders here but is it asking too much for a zig or zag here or there. It seems that when opposing defenders plant and square up on him instead of going around or aiming for a shoulder he just runs at them...

Am I crazy?

double post...

You're right.

We need more running through or running around from our RBs. Wynn looked worse.

Actually Grant was very productive tonight - needs more touches IMHO

tonight he did, couple more screens to Allen's side would have been nice.

I hate to bring this up again, but Brett was audibling (sp?) his tail off in '07. That was also when Grant was averaging more than 3.8 ypc.

I really think that it might be worthwhile to question the play-calling of McCarthy. He wasn't exactly lighting it up as an OC.

Grant did play very well tonight, I must add. I think that Wynn spent so much time in the game for blocking purposes, more than anything else. Grant is one of the hand-full of players that I'm cautiously optimistic about, after tonight's game.

I agree with you, but still have my doubts if he is the answer...

BTW, is Jackson still a PACKER???

Ryan Grant is what he was with the Giants. A 4th or 5th string RB that the Packers use as a starter.

He sure is ...Ankle Sprain the one like LT had in SD .. and came back in the second week to play..Yeap that is the one..Come to GB where the MED staff can get you five weeks plus on an Ankle Sprain...Amazing ...see it all around the league ...tehse guys coming back so quickly from the sprains where our guys take 5-6 weeks....Must be the water...

Grant is okay and will always be just okay.

If you want to win it all you try to find a good if not great running back.

I was happy with Ryan Grant's production last night. He caught the ball well and got some good yards when they opened up holes for him. Better blocking and outside of a few stretch plays that were telegraphed, he didn't have any runs for short gains or losses screwing up down and distance. They needed to pound it up inside a little bit more than they did IMO. FB Iso would have been open and working for a good 5 yards per attempt. They just didn't run it much. With how hard he was running, I wish that they would have just given him the ball two more times on the goalline during the series where they failed to get points. They got cute and tried passing out of it instead of dictating their will. Don't get cute. . . just smash the ball up in there.

Grant did look decent last night. Not great, but decent. He showed some moves and speed. I don't think he is the problem. Sure he could be improved on, but not this season.

I agree . He is a decent runner nothing more or less. What the Packers lack is the change of pace back, ala Sproles. Jackson might be that back but we may never know because he is never healthy.

He's just an ok RB. I thought he played pretty well last night. I imagine we're stuck with him for at least another year after this one, though. There are more urgent needs on the offensive line, and on defense. Woodson and Harris aren't getting any younger, and we've got a lot of guys in their contract year that need to be resigned.

We need a RB in the draft next year, no doubt. A guy like Beanie Wells (minus the fumbling issues) toward the end of the first round would be ideal. Either that or LeSean McCoy looks good, too.

The point of the thread is that Grant is ok, but could possibly be good to great if he could make some guys miss or break some more tackles.

Problem with grant is that he's big, but not powerful. He also runs pretty high, so there's always lots of him to grab onto when he gets to the line. He's basically Dorsey Levens light, but Levens had a great offensive line to run behind. It is a need for next year, but I think we're finding there's lots of needs.

It strikes me as odd that everyone is in agreement that our offensive line is currently playing possibly the worst in the NFL and yet we expect Ryan Grant to somehow run for 100+ yds per game. The line is giving him minimal running room and he has to scratch and claw his way past the DL to get to the second line of defense. He cant set the LB'ers or DB's up for any type of move because he's dragging a D-linemen. Give him a hole once in awhile and then judge.

Ryan Grant is the least of the Packer worries right now. Yes it would be nice to have a bruising quick running back, but high draft picks and money need to be used on other areas.

Here a zig
There a zag
Everywhere a zig zag
Ole McCarthy had a farm
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You DO realize that there are varying degrees of sprains, don't you? And the recovery time can range from 1-8 weeks.

Really... I was not Aware ...Sarcasm... LT had a HIGH Ankle sprain the guy came back in 2 weeks... Period... Look at some of the other injury reports...This guy or that Guy... They have the same type of sprains... But yet they come back quicker then most of our players...when there players seem to come back in 2 weeks ours take 8.... for the same type of sprain... I like BJ I think he has some serious positives to give us and help grant and the O.... BUt I am starting to wear thin on my patience with this guy and his injuries... and I hate to also state that I thnk if Blackmon suffers a serious injury again after last night ..his days may be numbered...

Having a high ankle sprain has NOTHING to do with the severity. It simply means that the syndesmotic ligament was sprained rather than a more common ankle sprain. LT's sprain was only a 1st degree sprain. He came back right on schedule (BTW, he missed two games which means he was out for THREE weeks, not two.) Jackson has a 2nd degree sprain, which has a highly variable recovery time of 4-8 weeks. So no, he does NOT have the same type of sprain as a guy who comes back in 2-3 weeks. BTW, there isn't a trainer in the world who can make a sprain heal faster!

I think you could insert 50 other RB's in and get the same results if not better. His nice runs were big holes where he wasn't even touched.

I got a second degree ankle sprain sliding in to home plate once. I couldn't even put any weight on it for a month and it still hurt 12 months later. Of course I didn't have a professional trainer but I find it hard to imagine it would have helped that much. The orthopedic surgeon told me that it is every bit as hard of an injury to recover from as a broken ankle.

No, the offensive line is one of the worst in pass protection. They have actually been around average in run blocking. But Grant can't take it to the house when there's a big opening, it will be a 12 yard gain. When there's a seem for 7 yards he'll get 3.

I actually thought Grant looked pretty shifty yesterday. He made some really great moves on a few of those screens and check downs to pick up critical yardage in critical situations. He averaged 4.6 YPC against one of the best rush defenses in the NFL. The biggest problem is our OL and McCarthy routinely abandoning the run. Why did Grant only run 11 times when he was getting some solid runs. Grant runs well vs the Vikings for some reason yet the last two games we have played against them, McCarthy hasn't stuck to the run.

Okay, I'll add in my 2 cents. I don't think it's necessarily Grant himself, but rather the line he's trying to run behind. If the Packer's coaching staff valued shiftiness highly, we would have kept Tyrell Sutton on the roster instead of Wynn, who apparently is better at picking up the blitz. None of the RBs on our roster have better than average shiftiness. Jackson I guess, but he's on the shelf.

I wish we would have kept Sutton...

But that's all just spilled milk. He wouldn't be able to find much daylight behind this O-Line either.