If he keeps this up, I doubt many will even want him in the Packers HOF. Utter disrespect for Packer fans who helped make him what he is:

Favre to Packers fans: Move on
By Bob Wolfley of the Journal Sentinel
Oct. 4, 2009 11:55 a.m.

A portion of an interview ESPN's Jon Gruden did with Vikings quarterback Brett Favre aired this morning on "Sunday NFL Countdown," the network's pre-game show.

Gruden: "What do you say to all the Packers fans? They've got to be confused."

Favre: "It was 16 great years. I hope they enjoyed it, they appreciated that run as much as I did. You can't take that away. You just have to let it go and just move on."

Gruden: "How much of this is really personal? How much do you really just want to beat them?"

Favre: "I want to beat them. I have a lot of friends on that team. You know, the way things went down, I'm not going to sit here and lie to you. It was disappointing. For both sides. I still want to prove that I'm worthy. I think that is human nature. Believe me, I want to win the game."

What jack@ss

I really wish I had a ticket to either the Monday game or the Lambeau game. I'd love to have a front row endzone seat so I could hold up a sign that says:

"Brett, your father would be very disappointed in you"

Let it go and move on?


That rich coming from him considering his track record of not making up his mind.

Yeah, he conveniently "moves on" when he gets his way. Hypocrite.

Pot, meet Kettle.

Sorry, but I agree with Favre on this one. Yes, he went to the Vikings to "stick it" to TT. But NOT to Packers fans. Yes, it is time to "move on". Enough about this guy already. In a year or two, he'll be retired. Obsessing about him is not healthy. For the fans, or the Packers (in particular).

So we are just collateral damage to Favre on his way to sticking it Ted?

He knew damn well most Packers fans would be disgusted with his actions. He knew he was sticking it to us on the way to sticking it to Ted. He just didnt give a ****.

Narcissistic individuals like Favre really don't understand how fans would feel about him playing for a bitter rival and he doesn't care either. Because MM and TT wouldn't treat BF like royalty like Sherman did Favre wasn't happy in GB. There can be no other explaination why he would quit and retire from a team so close to the Super Bowl just weeks before. I suspect he's had his eyes on playing for MN since Sherman and Bevell were fired in GB. Now His Highness is playing for a HC and OC that will let him do as he pleases. If there is any justice in this world I hope we win big Monday night.

I agree as well, move on..

Im pretty sure people have moved on.

The fact remains though when Favre keeps making comments like that, telling us to "let it go" then he deserves to be slammed for it.

All he has to do his keep his mouth shut. The more he opens it the more he look likes an a-hole.

When will he retire? in 2009? doubtful. in 2010? or 2011 or 2012 or 2013? One of those years he will have done one of many things, most likely piss every possible location for his next "act". GB put UP with his crap for about 5 years too long, IMO. He was babied like a 3 year old by the team. When a new group was brought in and didn't give him his pacifier, he cried and whined and finally retired. Only to get a ticket out and "stick it" to GB and the new management. Well, guess what Brett, the management and the fans ARE one of the SAME. Stick to the management, stick it to us.

RIP, Brett. You sold your soul to devil and now you can burn for it.

I have to disagree with you in part, Ricky. Yes, obsessing isn't good for any of us, true. But is the same not true when the target of the obsession is still part of your life? Telling fans to move on is like telling "fans" not to be "fanatics". The whole idea is that being star struck is a part of the whole experience for many, many fans.

Personally, I'm not into hero worship. It's not good for us, it's a huge self-deceit, it's as thin and unreliable as the emperor's new clothes - but the reality is that it gives the illusion of meaning to many people.

The point here is not whether we should move on - of course we should, instead of feeling like jilted lovers. But the point is that for Favre to be saying such things is the height of absurdity. His whole life is built on that sand. He depends on fans NOT doing exactly that which he now quite expediently pays lip service to.

The sad thing, potentially at least, is that we will move on and Favre will spend years craving something which is no longer available to him or accepting weak substitutes and trying to pretend that they do the trick. He runs the risk of spending a major portion of his life obsessed with the past.

Ask Mickey Rooney what it's like. Ask Buzz Aldrin what it's like.

Who knows, of course? Favre may adapt very well. But I wouldn't want to bet on it, not with what his personality has hinted at.

When Bart Starr accepted the HC job for GB, I remember my father commenting that he might be making a mistake. He was already a hero in GB and he (my father) thought he was risking all that. And we're only talking about being a HC of the same team, not anything so drastic as what Favre has done.

If Brett doesn't take his team to a victory in the superbowl, it's all going to be ashes in his mouth. When you get to being a has-been, all you have is your reputation, your memories, and especially the love of the people you did right by. Memories on their own aren't very filling. And Brett has wiped his own reputation and thrown the people who loved him overboard.

Very astute, Terry. I think that's so ironic about Favre. He should follow his own advice and let it go. But he can't.

Every time I tell myself to let it go. "He's no longer who I thought he was. I need to let that image go. He just wants to play.", he opens his big mouth and I get irritated all over again.

It's funny when the green and gold glasses come off and you see the players, especially him, as they really are, it is disappointing. It's like watching your favorite movie actor and you think that he is such a great guy and then he does something stupid and you realize he's just a schmuck like the rest of us.

This is partly our fault. We fell for the 'down-home' attitude and thought that he was just a guy who loved the game. He does. I don't doubt that for a minute, but I really think that he loves the attention more. He will be lost when he does have to give it up. I think it's sad to watch actually.

Yep!! What a hypocrite.

Terry, as usual, a very interesting post. I agree, this is a fan/atic and Favre problem. However, reacting bitterly to everything Favre says is similar to finding fault with everything Obama does. After a while, it reaches the point of absurdity. "So, Favre said 'Move on', eh? No way! I'm going to hold my grudge forever!"

I agree that Favre has become an addict to fame (but then, he does seem to have an addictive personality). So, although it may be absurd for him to tell fans to "Move on", while he nurses his grudge against TT, it is up to us Packers fans to show Favre the way out of his 'dungeon of resentment'. If he is going to be 'small', it is time for us to be 'tall'.

By the bye, when you wrote about Starr- he didn't lose a bit of luster as a legendary GB QB by being a lousy coach (though he lasted seven painful years). And I remember what my dad said when Bart took over- that he would revive the offense by example.

Now, as far as living off their past, I think the greatest example is not Mickey Rooney or Buzz Aldrin, but Tatum O'Neal. She won an Oscar when she was six years old, and her career was mostly downhill from there (I believe her last film was some waste of footage with Irene Cara, of all people). No matter what he says, Favre is like the ancient Greeks, and their belief in arete- he needs to do extraordinary things to prove himself while alive, so he will be remembered after he is dead. However, talking about him, and parsing his words to find something to get in a high dudgeon about now seems excessive to me. However, to belittle the value of memories seems wrong to me. After all, when all is said and done, that is all we're left with- memories. I prefer the positive ones, though the negative ones have a habit of cropping up way too often.

Time to move on. How will the Packer OL fare against the Minnesota DL? Will Grant have a decent game? Will Capers have some wrinkles to show the Vikings? Will Jackson, Raji and Clifton be ready after the bye week? These are topics I'll discuss. To obsess about the musings of a former Packer QB is, to me, hardly worthwhile. Which is why this will be my last comment on this subject.

It's not our fault both of them keeping screwing up.

What do you want him to say,,"oh I dont want to beat Grren Bay"? He never dissed Packer fans. He has a beef with Ted and that is not new news....LET IT GO

This is a great point. And I think this is the essence of what I personally find offensive about this whole situation.

If thats all he said then that would be great.

According to him Im not a "real" Packer fan. According to him I need to "let it go".

Now he is accusing Peter King of taking what he said about sticking it to Ted and the Packers out of context.

Face it, the guy is a serial liar and needs some serious help.

Here are his 2 comments that were posted
Favre: "It was 16 great years. I hope they enjoyed it, they appreciated that run as much as I did. You can't take that away. You just have to let it go and just move on."

Favre: "I want to beat them. I have a lot of friends on that team. You know, the way things went down, I'm not going to sit here and lie to you. It was disappointing. For both sides. I still want to prove that I'm worthy. I think that is human nature. Believe me, I want to win the game."

Where did he say you or I or anyone is not a Packer fan? He said it was 16 great years and time to move on, both are true, hell he said he appreciated it. Luvda you have also posted Move On

MM and TT said it was time to move on, and the train has left the station when Favre was still a member of our team. Respectfully, I ask what was he supposed to do, not play football so as not to offend us, as Packer fans?

There's playing football, and then there's playing for a division rival. Gigantic difference.

Point taken. Tommorow Packers vs Vikings. For the division lead. Lets get back to team vs team. Huge game. GO PACK GO.

I think one of the things that disappoints me about Favre is that he's spend 16 years with the Packers and the fans, and he still clearly doesn't get it. This week I listened to interviews from long time Packers William Henderson and LeRoy Butler. Both have said they are not sure they could have ever played for the Vikings. Henderson was actually courted by them late in his career and stayed here. He said the whole thing felt dirty to him. Butler said unless he needed the money badly, he'd retire before playing for the Vikings. A lot of players from the 60s have spoken out on it, and understand the unique relationship between the fans and it's star players.

In this interview and several others, it's very obvious we never crossed his mind. No indication whatsoever that he agonized over the decision because of what it would mean to us. It was always, "do I want to get the surgury, do I want to take the beating, do I want to go through the grind?" Never, "Can I really do this to my fans in Green Bay who have supported me for 16 years?"

We can say, it's a business. There is no loyalty, etc. But then listen to Bulter. Listen to Henderson. Listen to Jerry Kramer. And they were less iconic than Favre by far.

The disappointing thing is, I don't think he's capable of thinking in those terms. That something could be about something other than him is a foreign concept to him.

That is the difference between players from the 60's / 70's and many current players for that respect, its a job to them. For every Butler and Henderson there are 10 who could care less. It is s business. They want to play football, win and collect a check. To us fans Vikings / Packers or Bears / Packers is like Auburn / Alabama, OSU/ Michigan. To most players its another game, one in a 16 game schedule. Sure there is more when you play a division game but for the most part players keep in perspective that its a game and one to win. The ultimate goal for any player is to hold the Lombardi Trophy. And I can tell you that it does not matter what color they are wearing. They want the ring. Sure there are exceptions but for the great majority its about reaching a goal or winning a championship.

It wasnt in this interview but a couple weeks ago he flat out said that " real Packer fans will understand why I did this".


Again, apparently Im not a real fan because I have no clue how one person could be such a world class d-bag.


Oh and I believe that might of been the same interview when he compared himself to Vince Lombardi.

I remember that to.
Who really cares what this guy says anymore? I hope the Pack kicks their butt on Monday.

Not for nothing but I really dont care. LIke I said before I believe everyone has moved on or at least most of everybody. If Brett would just keep his mouth shut and stop talking about the Packers, or Ted, or us fans it would make everything a lot easier.

But just like in GB he cant seem to keep his mouth shut. Just like I tell me kids: Know when to speak up and know when to be quiet.

Isn't that it? The fans seem to stop talking about it. Sure, it is mentioned as GB is playing the Queens. The media is not talking about it as much. Sure, they are saying that GB is playing Minny and that Favre is the QB, especially that wonderful play from last week. But Favre just does not seem to be getting enough attention. I took the "it is time to move on" as a direct shot at us, the fans. We are over it; at least most of us. Some may have difficult times ever "getting over it".

It seems he brings it up, like that kid in school or work that did ONE good thing and then wants always to be remembered by it and that everything else he does or does not do is not a problem. Sure, Favre did many good things for GB, but really.. How many years did he "hold the team hostage" to his yearly retirement quandary. So many years he made the HC and GM wait on him and his every move to make a decision so THEY could do their job. Seems like extortion, but legal stuff. When the new group did not kneel, he made himself more difficult.. See, I retired and then after the entire off-season, when you have put all that effort and work into a new scheme and plays for the new guy, I am coming back and I am BRETT FAVRE so you must stop everything and give me my throne back. But, it did not happen that way and Brett was outraged by this disrespect by the team he made and was only because of him. This is my opinion as to why he wanted to go to Minny or Chicago last year and Minny more so b/c of Bevell and Major Dad. He got his wish; one year later.

Some may think that I cannot let go. I have long ago. I deride that Favre can do no wrong. GB and of course Mr. Thompson made their share of miscalculations, just like Brett. The team did not think that Brett would come back and that they could pacify him with money or other stuff.

I was a huge fan of Brett in the 1990s. I bought his jersey, the first NFL jersey I ever brought and only the 2nd jersey of any major sport (I have a Vlady jersey for the Red Wings and that was before the accident). Brett's act grew thin on me for some time. By 2004, I was tired of it, but I still was happy to see him playing for GB, just wanted him to be more of a team player. I know, he is not to be. So, he retired after all of those years only to unretire (2 years running now).

It seems that he did not feel that THIS WEEK was enough about him, so he just lays it out.

I am done now. I promise to not write about him again in any context except when he is elected into the Hall of Fame. Cheerio.

Kampman signed an offer sheet with the Vikings. Thankfully, we matched.

The NFL is a business, and the Vikings have been willing to outbid us for guys like Sharper, Longwell, and Favre. They've picked up guys like Robert Ferguson off of our scrap-heap.

Maybe we should be wondering about their fascination with signing former Packers?

Brett is right, IMO. Although I never imagined Favre playing for the Vikings, I haven't spent much time thinking about it, even this week (I'm sure it'll be weird, Monday night).

I look at this situation, and see a team that paid $12 Million for a 40 year old QB, just to get him to show up for 17-21 weeks. And then; I laugh, just a little bit. Only in America.

Why are you people so distracted by Favre and what he says???????????

Why get involved in the drama???????

Favre said this, Favre said that. WHO CARES?????????????????

You sound like a bunch of junior high girls.

Just win the game, and get out of Minnesota. I couldnt care less about Favre's comments before or after the game, win or lose.

WIN THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is a dispute in my family. One person is loyal to Favre and wants him "to spank the Packers" and I want the Packers to beat Favre and the Vikings... badly. We shall see. But Favre telling Packer fans to let it go and move on is another foot-in-mouth comment. You'd think he'd learn by now.

Youre joking right? Ill take your post with a grain of salt considering the pissing matches you got into with people when this whole thing started.

I've moved on as I'm sure many Packer fans have as well. I really hope Favre gets sacked 10 times tonite.

Good stuff, GBkrzygrl. Refreshingly honest. I can't say much about letting go either - I'm really pretty dreadful about letting go of things. I don't think that's unique at all - in fact, I'd say the majority of people are like that, to varying degrees. I've personally met very few people who have that kind of nature and I admit I envy them a little. They seem to have happier lives than most of us. I've known a lot of people who act like they've let things go, even to the extent of convincing themselves, but that's a far different kettle of fish.

Funny you mention movie stars, because that's where I get caught from time to time too. I don't remember ever getting drawn into the mystique of an athlete, but I have at times with movie stars. Which is kind of ironic because I'd expect the opposite of myself, having known some movie stars personally (before they became stars, of course). But movies have always grabbed me. I suppose novels too. Some authors have turned out to be terribly disappointing to me. I've never been the same about Christian Bale, for instance, since I caught the youtube audio of his temper tantrum. Now I find it hard to watch his movies - even though I'm the first and the loudest in preaching the opposite as a general principle.

A lot of people talk about letting go, often quite glibly. Few people actually manage it.

I have no problem with what Favre says, with him playing in Minnesota, or any of this. IMO, he fits right in with the Vikings organization. I'd love to kick the Vikes behinds tonight, but if that doesn't happen then it's a loss to the hated Vikings - nothing else.

I will, however, have a problem when his retirement day finally comes and he returns to GB to be inducted into the Hall of Fame, they retire his number, etc. Personally I don't care to see his smirking mug in GB again unless he's dressed in purple, but I know that won't happen. Yes, I know - 16 great years he gave us, blah blah blah... I'm just speaking for myself. I'm sick of his prima donna crap. Even more than a victory over the Vikes, I'd love see the Packers give his #4 to some rookie next year.

Ricky, I don't think reactions are a matter of choice. If people react bitterly, then that's where they are and that's that. And certainly, like alcoholism and any other such problem, the first stage of moving on has to be an acceptance of where one is. Trying to force oneself to react differently because of some notion of how one should react is almost always a recipe for compounding the problem. As for the thought that people ought not be petty, that if Favre is small, we should all be tall, it's sounds grand but it's easy to say and not necessarily so easy to do. People are where they are.

As for Starr, yes, agreed. My father's fear of the risk he was taking turned out to be groundless. Not 100% though - I think he did lose some of that lustre in the eyes of GB during his coaching tenure, but because of the sort of guy he is, the mud didn't stick. I don't much care for people using the word "class" about people, but Starr certainly displayed elegance and style even in the aftermath of his failure. Didn't he say something, when he was fired, about just having started to learn something about coaching? But Starr is a very different kettle of fish than Brett Favre. This is not to say that Favre won't recover his lustre in the future - of course he could. But right now, the way he talks - rationalizing, contradicting himself, engaging in all kinds of sophistic rubbish, even occasionally dissembling - I see no resemblance to Starr at all. But I confess, I know a lot less about Starr during those years, so I can't really say. It just strikes me that it'll be very hard for Humpty Favre to put himself back together again.

As for Tatum O'Neal, I didn't bring her up because I know nothing about how events affected her. If she's spoken or written about a troubled time, I have no knowledge of it. This type of thing is not about an objective sequence of events, but rather all about the subjective experience and what it leads to. I mentioned Mickey Rooney and Buzz Aldrin because they've both openly discussed the decades of torment they went through - but both in the end came out of it too. Rooney because of being a childhood star and losing all that attention, fame, and work. Aldrin because he was scheduled to be the first to set foot on the moon and he was overruled at the moment of fruition by Armstrong, who was superior in rank. But again, it's not the reality of that that is important, but only how difficult it was for him personally to be the second man on the moon. Both of those men had a very bad time for an extended period of time, that's all.

Yes, those two quotes are the ones posted because they were the quotes referred to in the particular article posted at the start. But the thread discussion is coming out of a much broader context than that one article. He has made a lot of comments over a very short span of time leading up to this game. And there are contradictions.

Luvda already answered the "real packer fan" question, which quote predated the two you refer to. As for the latter comment you mention, his first answer to a similar question was of a different tenor altogether - the long and short of it was that he basically denied that he wanted to get revenge or stick it to anyone and he danced around the entire subject entirely, implying at the very least a total disavowal that any of it was personal for him. The comment you refer to is much more honest and it was something everyone knew while reading his first exercise in sophistic stonewalling on the subject.

The problem with Favre's credibility is not that he's never honest; but that he's often not so honest. That makes most things he has to say rather suspect, as fair or unfair as that may be.

Just google "Brett Favre" and "true packer fans"
Got about 14000+ hits.
Back in August he made the quote people are refering to.




I believe you are right about the Lombardi quote.
Brett was on a roll that day!!




Kampman was a free agent.
Brett was under contract with the Packers and retired.
Not free to sign with any team.
HUGE difference!!



Why are you reading this thread?????

And complaining about others posts??

You must care or you wouldn't bother posting!!

Move on!!!!!

Go Pack!!!

His point I believe was that Kampman had no issues signing an offer sheet with a division rival. This thread implies that if you are a Packer you should NEVER go to the dark side.

That is part of what it has evovled into,
but I feel the point being made is that Favre is trying
to "stick it" to the Pack,
where Kampman was just trying to play football.
Comparing apples to oranges,
but what else is there to compare to, I guess.
His lying is the big factor to me.

Go Pack!!

I understand what you are saying and agree, but let me add I do also think Favre wants to play football. I also do not think it is the first time and will not be the last time a player wants to "stick it" to his old team

I agree with packinatl (and not just becuz I'm in atl too).

Favre wants to prove that he still has "it" to the folks that it mean most to him regarding that. The Packers moved on - even though he still had some good years left in him (well 2/3's of a season so far). This isn't about him sticking it to the fans, it is about him proving to the people that said he couldn't that he still can.

That being said... I hope he forces some throws and Woodson gets some pick 6's.

I think you're right in both of your last two posts, packinatl. However, I'll just say that I don't think this thread would even exist if Brett knew how to field certain kinds of questions better - starting, say, oh... about a year and a half ago!

This thread is the result of not only Brett's inability to handle his speech centre over the last week or so, but the result of a momentum begun quite some time ago - and begun by Brett, for the most part.

The actual event itself wouldn't cause threads like this one - at least not at this late date.

Once again you miss the point, arguing over a personnel move is one thing. Whining and foaming at the mouth about what some QB SAYS nearly two years after his last game for the Packers is delusional at best.

At this point I could really Care less what Favre Says anymore. I have concluded he is too busy lying. And has no INTEGRITY....

I had an opinion of Favre. it used to be Good Ole Country Boy...And Awe Shucks and only cared about the game....He was a great Team Player....

Lets Just point out I HAD that opinion of Favre...I stopped drinking the koolaid and removed my GLASSES....

And I will leave it at that...

I think there's a big difference between a 4 year vet (Kampmann at the time) and a guy who has been the face of the franchise for 16 years. There's a reason this is being hyped as the most anticipated regular season matchup in memory. What Favre did simply isn't done from players of his stature. It's a unique situation. That's why there's so much buzz.

And there's no indication from Favre that he even understands why it isn't done. I don't think the thought ever crossed his mind that "I can't do this to the Packers fans who've supported me all these years".

I agree with the first part of the statement. Saying he's trying to stick it to the fans implies that he even gave them any thought, and it's clear based on his interviews that he hasn't.

See, I don't think anyone has ever said that he can't play. The Packers didn't let him go because they thought he was washed up. They were willing to take him back had he put in the offseason work they required.

Very true, but I go back to that same question, was he supposed to play for a crappy team so as to not upset us the fans? I think that's being selfish, don't you think? '

The guy was told to take a hike (and with Rodgers playing well, it was the right move). But you can't expect a guy who wants to play, and with THAT much competitive fire still left to just say, "Ok, I'll go play for the Browns or the Raiders because I don't want to upset the Packer fans."

Put me in the group that doesn't have a problem with him saying what he said. Do I like the fact that he's playing for the Vikings? Of course not. It makes me shake my head literally EVERY time I see him dawning that fairy-colored jersey. But seriously, the Packers made the right decision with Favre and at 3-0 and looking pretty damn good as a team (that needed a QB), is there any doubt that Favre, for himself, made the correct decision as well?

I think not.

I guess I am of the opinion that the vast majority of todays players look at the game as a business first and fans/rivals second. They want to play football and win a championship and to most they do not care where they do it. Sure there are exceptions. Is there a difference between Kampman and Favre when it comes to playing in Minny, sure a little but not much. Kampman was a fixture in the GB defense, hard working, big motor, "Packer People", BUT he did look elsewere to play, he did not have to sign that offer sheet. He understood it was a business. Packer fans supported many players over the years that chose to play for a different NFL team and played against them.

The difference here is that there is no love lost between two people, Favre and Thompson. Fans took sides and now it is not only personal between Favre and Thompson but between Favre and the fans. Sad. Both Favre and Thompson did not handle this well, my guess is things happened and things were said between the two that we will never know that made a bad situation worse.