Vots
Sep 29 2009, 02:40 PM
Anybody have any insight on what's wrong with Crosby? After 2007 season, I wanted to buy his jersey!
But he's so unreliable now. I get nervous if he comes out for a 40-yarder compared to 2007 when I would have no problem see him trot out there for a 60-yarder.
Just seeing if anyone's heard or read anything. It's got to be something mental going on here.
chunkymonkey
Sep 29 2009, 02:48 PM
I would be patient. Yes he did miss an extra point, but he hasn't missed a FG under 40 yds in the regular season. His numbers don't look that bad when you compare them to others on NFL.com.
It's too early to get worried. Merits watching, but I would think he'll settle in and do ok.
WB PackerFan
Sep 29 2009, 02:50 PM
QUOTE (Vots @ Sep 30 2009, 04:40 AM)

Anybody have any insight on what's wrong with Crosby? After 2007 season, I wanted to buy his jersey!
But he's so unreliable now. I get nervous if he comes out for a 40-yarder compared to 2007 when I would have no problem see him trot out there for a 60-yarder.
Just seeing if anyone's heard or read anything. It's got to be something mental going on here.
Nothing. He is the 5th ranked FG kicker in the league
FG RankingsFar too much concern for him.
maxman44
Sep 29 2009, 03:13 PM
I don't know what the statistics are but by my observations his kick off distances have been excellent - a very under-rated weapon
sinatra
Sep 29 2009, 03:20 PM
His FG accuracy is a bit lower than you'd like, but he's capable of making any kick out there. And he's got a steel boot on kick offs. I think he's only going to improve.
strat1080
Sep 29 2009, 03:28 PM
I don't know what all the hysteria is about. I saw people ripping Crosby about missing that 52 yarder against Cincy. Guys a 50+ yard FG is not a sure thing. There are plenty of kickers in the NFL that wouldn't even get the chance to make that. He had a bad first game but since then he has been solid. I'm not going to get bent out of shape about a guy missing one XP out of 102 points. It happens every once in a while. Morten Anderson missed 10 XPs in his career. Longwell has missed 6. It happens guys. Settle down.
VA_PackFan
Sep 29 2009, 04:11 PM
QUOTE (strat1080 @ Sep 29 2009, 04:28 PM)

I don't know what all the hysteria is about. I saw people ripping Crosby about missing that 52 yarder against Cincy. Guys a 50+ yard FG is not a sure thing. There are plenty of kickers in the NFL that wouldn't even get the chance to make that. He had a bad first game but since then he has been solid. I'm not going to get bent out of shape about a guy missing one XP out of 102 points. It happens every once in a while. Morten Anderson missed 10 XPs in his career. Longwell has missed 6. It happens guys. Settle down.
Not only has Longwell missed 6 XP, IIRC, his missed XP cost the game for GB in a game against the Bucs a few years ago in a 17-16 loss.
I'm not worried about Crosby, at all.
Vots
Sep 29 2009, 04:16 PM
I'm not talking about his extra point miss, I don't care about that.
I haven't looked at the stats, but it just seemed Crosby was missing to many of those 40+ yard field goals then usual.
Guess I'm just delirious.
strat1080
Sep 29 2009, 05:23 PM
QUOTE (Vots @ Sep 29 2009, 06:16 PM)

I'm not talking about his extra point miss, I don't care about that.
I haven't looked at the stats, but it just seemed Crosby was missing to many of those 40+ yard field goals then usual.
Guess I'm just delirious.
Too many? Crosby has only missed two FGs this year and one was beyond 50+ yards. One missed 40+ yarder isn't the same thing as too many. It would be one thing if Crosby goes in and misses two 20-40 yard FGs in one game. He hasn't missed more than one in a game so far this year. He's called on to kick FGs that many kickers in the NFL wouldn't even attempt. 50+ yard FGs are not a sure thing. The 40+ yarder that he missed in Week one in Chicago was his very first FG of the year. I just think the timing of your post is kind of strange. The guy is coming off of a 3/3 performance in which he sank two 40+ yarders. I have yet to see Crosby have that truly awful game where he misses multiple routine FGs in one game. The guy could be more accurate but he is a solid kicker with a very strong leg. He is also underappreciated on kickoffs as well.
Jason Elam and Adam Vinatieri are considred among the best kickers of all time. Crosby has a higher percentage from 20-40 and 50+ and has a comparable percentage between 40-49 compared to Vinatieri. Crosby is better between 40-49 than Jason Elam although Elam takes Crosby from pretty much everywhere else. Crosby is money where he is counted on to be money though. He is darn near a sure thing between 20-40 yards. Very respectable from 40+ and 50+. Sure he could improve but he is a solid kicker. Overall if he slightly improved his percentage from beyond 30+ he would be compared to the greats. That is how close Crosby is to being a great kicker. He's got all the tools. He just needs to keep improving. He has never missed from 20-29. He is 85% from 30-39. 70% from 40+ and 54% from beyond 50. If he could get his kicks from 30-39 closer to 90% and his kicks from 50+ closer to 60% he would be among the greatest kickers ever. Again, I don't see what all the hysteria is about. The guy is at 79% for his career but thats including lots of 40+ and 50+ yard kicks. Sure the Robbie Goulds of the world average 85% but he has only kicked 3 FGs beyond 50+ yards and has missed all three. Something to keep in mind. Like others have said. Crosby is called on to kick FGs beyond what many kickers would even try to attempt. Some of the greatest kickers to ever play average 55-60% beyond 50+ yards. Crosy is at 54%. He is at 70% from 40-49 yards which is very respectable. Elam is 65% from that range. Crosby is still a very young kicker and will only get better with more experience. Also let's keep in mind that Crosby had 3 different holders from TC to the end of the season last year. That's not good.
The bottom line. In only his 3rd year Crosby has already hit more 50+ yard FGs at Lambeau Field than any kicker in Packers history. That's gotta count for something. His stats aren't going to look pretty playing at Lambeau Field.
philh64
Sep 29 2009, 07:03 PM
Could Crosby play OT or Safety?
VA_PackFan
Sep 29 2009, 07:59 PM
QUOTE (philh64 @ Sep 29 2009, 08:03 PM)

Could Crosby play OT or Safety?
He's supposed to, but they obviously only keep him around because he can contribute on special teams
Thirteen Below
Sep 29 2009, 11:16 PM
QUOTE (VA_PackFan @ Sep 29 2009, 09:59 PM)

He's supposed to, but they obviously only keep him around because he can contribute on special teams

Very shrewd of him not to refuse to play on special teams, then, eh?
PackerJB
Sep 30 2009, 04:59 AM
I miss Longwell!
chunkymonkey
Sep 30 2009, 05:10 AM
The nice thing about Crosby is that he adds the possibility to make the 60 yd field goal or the long free kick with no time left to win the game.
I don't agree with Jim Mora that NFL kickers shouldn't miss. If that is the case, then why can't they find 32 people out of 6 billion on the planet that can do it?
KC Pack Fan
Sep 30 2009, 05:41 AM
QUOTE (strat1080 @ Sep 29 2009, 08:23 PM)

Too many? Crosby has only missed two FGs this year and one was beyond 50+ yards. One missed 40+ yarder isn't the same thing as too many. It would be one thing if Crosby goes in and misses two 20-40 yard FGs in one game. He hasn't missed more than one in a game so far this year. He's called on to kick FGs that many kickers in the NFL wouldn't even attempt. 50+ yard FGs are not a sure thing. The 40+ yarder that he missed in Week one in Chicago was his very first FG of the year. I just think the timing of your post is kind of strange. The guy is coming off of a 3/3 performance in which he sank two 40+ yarders. I have yet to see Crosby have that truly awful game where he misses multiple routine FGs in one game. The guy could be more accurate but he is a solid kicker with a very strong leg. He is also underappreciated on kickoffs as well.
Jason Elam and Adam Vinatieri are considred among the best kickers of all time. Crosby has a higher percentage from 20-40 and 50+ and has a comparable percentage between 40-49 compared to Vinatieri. Crosby is better between 40-49 than Jason Elam although Elam takes Crosby from pretty much everywhere else. Crosby is money where he is counted on to be money though. He is darn near a sure thing between 20-40 yards. Very respectable from 40+ and 50+. Sure he could improve but he is a solid kicker. Overall if he slightly improved his percentage from beyond 30+ he would be compared to the greats. That is how close Crosby is to being a great kicker. He's got all the tools. He just needs to keep improving. He has never missed from 20-29. He is 85% from 30-39. 70% from 40+ and 54% from beyond 50. If he could get his kicks from 30-39 closer to 90% and his kicks from 50+ closer to 60% he would be among the greatest kickers ever. Again, I don't see what all the hysteria is about. The guy is at 79% for his career but thats including lots of 40+ and 50+ yard kicks. Sure the Robbie Goulds of the world average 85% but he has only kicked 3 FGs beyond 50+ yards and has missed all three. Something to keep in mind. Like others have said. Crosby is called on to kick FGs beyond what many kickers would even try to attempt. Some of the greatest kickers to ever play average 55-60% beyond 50+ yards. Crosy is at 54%. He is at 70% from 40-49 yards which is very respectable. Elam is 65% from that range. Crosby is still a very young kicker and will only get better with more experience. Also let's keep in mind that Crosby had 3 different holders from TC to the end of the season last year. That's not good.
The bottom line. In only his 3rd year Crosby has already hit more 50+ yard FGs at Lambeau Field than any kicker in Packers history. That's gotta count for something. His stats aren't going to look pretty playing at Lambeau Field.
Hey Strat. Although your post was knowledgeable and entertaining it can be summed up in one sentence.
Kickers are head cases!
Packfan_Euro_Trash
Sep 30 2009, 05:52 AM
Like was said Crosby kills it on kickoffs, thats a very good thing. He is far from perfect, but MM does trot him out for long attempts that 80% of NFL kickers would not be allowed to attempt.
I just hope this does not turn in to another John Ryan situation, he is leading the league in both net yards and yards punting this year.
Heatseeker
Sep 30 2009, 06:25 AM
I have no evidence whatsoever to back this up -- but, it seems like Crosby is pretty clutch from what I can recall.
What's weird is he'll shank a 40-yarder in the 2nd quarter that has little to no meaning, and then nail a 54-yarder with :02 left after being, "iced."
And like has been said, he gives you that range at the end of the game that if the only thing you can do is kick a 65-yard field goal, you know with Crosby that there's actually a chance he could make it.
KC Pack Fan
Sep 30 2009, 06:46 AM
QUOTE (Heatseeker @ Sep 30 2009, 09:25 AM)

I have no evidence whatsoever to back this up -- but, it seems like Crosby is pretty clutch from what I can recall.
What's weird is he'll shank a 40-yarder in the 2nd quarter that has little to no meaning, and then nail a 54-yarder with :02 left after being, "iced."
And like has been said, he gives you that range at the end of the game that if the only thing you can do is kick a 65-yard field goal, you know with Crosby that there's actually a chance he could make it.
I know we remember the bad (Queens last year) more than the good. Like I said above they are a strange breed and should be locked in the closet and only let out on game days. He was nailing them from 60+ in pregame this last weekend and then misses a PAT.
His kickoffs are outstanding and we could do much worse. I've always been of the thought that you bring in a kicker for a little competition during camp, but you have to have faith in your kicker or their confidence goes to hell. Jim Mora publicly humiliated Olindo Marewhich which was in bad taste IMO, and you can write Olindo off at least for the Seahawks. It is just how kickers work.
sinatra
Sep 30 2009, 07:05 AM
Interesting trivia for the day...
Question: Who is the most accurate kicker in NFL history?
Answer: Mike Vanderjagt
Ellis269
Sep 30 2009, 08:23 AM
That's not much of an answer at all. I'm sure he's actually hanging around somewhere "liquored up" and waiting for a shot to kick the ball again.
I'm not worried about Crosby. He missed a kick that he knows he should have made in the first game and missed a long one in the 2nd game. He's been clutch outside of that, and he seems to be getting his range down with some of the changes that went on during this offseason. I love his kickoffs and I think that one of these days he might end up with a 60+ yarder or break the longest FG record if the need ever arises. I think that he's certainly capable of doing it.
craig
Sep 30 2009, 09:26 AM
I think Crosby has been the victim to some degree of being called on for lots of long ones. Last year the Packers had a remarkable red-zone success rate. Usually if they got in the red zone, they TD'd, rather than getting stopped and giving Crosby an easy kick. But it seems at times when they get into supposed FG range, sometimes they get stalled and don't shorten the kick for him.
For example, with the famous missed vikings kick last year, they got within the 55-yard range or whatever on first down, and rather than getting a first down and making it really normal distance, or churning out 6 or 8 yards on three downs and at least getting it under 50, they just got stoned and left him with a very long kick.
I think to some degree he's been victimized by the usual target-of-all-blame, the offensive line. If McCarthy ever gets into a situation where he doesn't want to risk a turnover or a sack or another offensive-line penalty, he runs the ball. And when teams know we're running, we normally get completely stuffed because our o-line can't produce any holes when defenses are gearing for run. So the FG's don't get shortened the way they do for teams that have an offensive line.
Vots
Sep 30 2009, 10:37 AM
Yeah, I didn't know all the stats.
I think I developed this negative image of him because of all the 50-yarders he's attempted and obviously you're not going to make much more then 1/2 of them.
Ellis269
Sep 30 2009, 12:27 PM
Crosby still has ice in his veins and his kickoffs are some of the best in the business. I'll worry about him if he shanks a gimme kick when the game is on the line. The thing is that some of the best kickers in the game have done that. Rob Bironis is about as good as you can get right now and he's having a terrible season so far. . . after an excellent one last year.
Mason's biggest problem is that he's not getting enough support from the offense. Like it was mentioned earlier, they take for granted that he'll make the long kicks and fail to do enough to shorten the kick in too many cases.
LordFavre
Oct 3 2009, 04:55 PM
QUOTE (sinatra @ Sep 30 2009, 09:05 AM)

Interesting trivia for the day...
Question: Who is the most accurate kicker in NFL history?
Answer: Mike Vanderjagt
Vandershank is the most accurate kicker? Wow, never would have guessed that
stuffin
Oct 4 2009, 12:14 PM
I like Corsby but there is a tornado of frustration swirling in my stomach whenever he comes onto the field.
He will get his points, I just hope he gets them when they matter most.
diesel
Oct 4 2009, 04:45 PM
QUOTE (stuffin @ Oct 4 2009, 03:14 PM)

I like Corsby but there is a tornado of frustration swirling in my stomach whenever he comes onto the field.
He will get his points, I just hope he gets them when they matter most.
I have a feeling Crosby will have a big role in this game. I think it will come down to a made field goal deciding the game.
maxman44
Oct 6 2009, 03:26 PM
Lost in last night's game were two excellent onside kicks by Crosby
Ellis269
Oct 6 2009, 04:22 PM
Great point. It's nice to have a kicker who knows how to do that correctly. The Packers have recovered one of them this season and might have had a shot at both of last night's attempts if Sidney Rice hadn't made two damn good plays. It's nice to know that our kicker can pull that off if the game is on the line and at least give the team a chance to come back and win.
Also, was anyone else secretly hoping that they'd give Crosby the shot at the end of the half for the record. He's got a heck of a leg and the placement was perfect for an attempt. I figured it to be a 65 yarder. It would have been interesting at the very least.
strat1080
Oct 6 2009, 05:19 PM
QUOTE (maxman44 @ Oct 6 2009, 05:26 PM)

Lost in last night's game were two excellent onside kicks by Crosby
Outstanding. I couldn't believe those onside kicks by Crosby. He hit them perfectly. A bunch of air time to allow the Packers to get close. Sidney Rice made two excellent plays. Although Favre and Allen got all the press, I think Sidney Rice really saved the game for the Vikes. If the Packers recovered just one of those it could have been a completely different game. Rodgers was moving the ball quite well towards the end of the game.
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