I think it would happen after the queens clean our clock, if they do. The proability seems high though. Allan gave Cliffy fits, I just do not see College handling him.

It will be a game or so after the queens so it doesn't appear to be the queens who drove him back to the high school ranks.

The transition would be better with Capers and Trgovac moves to D- coordinator. We would need to find a Linbacker coach to replace Moss and a new Defensive Line coach.

I would keep Edgar Bennett - Running Backs and Jimmy Robinson - Wide Receivers dump the rest.

Who does everyone like for Offensive coordinator or Assistant head coach/offense

If M.M gets fired, which would never happen during the season, that would undoubtably mean Thompson was dismissed. There would be know guarantee that the new G.M. would choose Capers. He might have his own man in mind.

I'd rather keep Capers as a DC. He's had much more success in that roll as opposed to being a HC.

Is this thread serious? Subtleties are so hard to convey over the internet.

I agree. Neither HC nor GM is in trouble this year....

We will see, how the next few games play out. I would hate to see Detroit get it's first win off of the Packers. It may not seem plausable right now, we shall see.

I have the Lions beating GB on Thanksgiving. It most likely won't happen, but anything is plausible.

Good grief 66Ray, you don't have one ounce of the grit your avatar and name showed. We are two games into the season and you have given up already. That is just sad.

I have plenty of grit, unlike the current coach. This is almost like ground hog day. We keep reliving the same season over and over again. With the only exception being 2007, which has been discussed and you know my answer to that.

I may have jumped the gun, I'm usually the one with enough realistic thought to be out front of everything. I will admit I got fooled by the preseason, as the old saying goes about fooling me.

Don't hold your breath thinking Capers would get a shot at the HC.

Funny as it sounds, it might be Moss.

Historically we don't play well on Turkey-Day, which is why Holmgren wouldn't play that game any more when he was coach.

Um, its week 2. No one is in any danger of losing their jobs.

In fariness, she did ask whether it would be mid season or after the season.

So you think Ted Thompson is going to fire the coach he hand picked to replace Mike Sherman in the middle of the season? Seriously?

In an attempt to save himself yes, if this season goes bad, yes I do

It won' t happen until after the season.

But if GB goes sub .500, it definitely can happen.

But that's not what you predicted. You said MM would be fired by week 6 if we get stomped by MIN in week 4. We may get stomped by MIN, but there is no way MM is fired by week 6.

I do agree that MM/TT will be in trouble if this team goes anything under .500

If MM goes TT should go to.

We MUST win the Div this year. It will be a disaster for our team and TT and MM if we don't and Favre and the Vikes do. We must come out next week and open a can of WhoopA~~ on the Vikes.

I would think that our team will be highly pumped up.

If we do not, then the legacy they will be known forever for is "the GM and Coach that let Favre go and then lost after being one overtime from Super Bowl"

It has to happen this season.

Maybe todays game is the begining of us starting a turnaround to live up to what we looked like in the preseason

This is all almost laughable. Neither is in danger of losing their job anytime during this season. The amount of whining being done already is pathetic. I bet most everyone calling for Ted and Mike's jobs are also big fans of Favre and still have that bitterness in them to get revenge.

McCarthy isn't going nowhere as long as Thompson is here.

And besides, Opie really likes both of them.

Well, maybe not during the season. But anythng less then 8-8 they must go. As far as the Favre thing, Yes I WAS a big fan, but can't stomach him with the Vikes. And yes, the ones calling for their heads most likely thought they made a mistake. BUT, If we win, ALL the people calling for their heads will shut up pretty quickly, Favre fans or not.


I was suprised when I was in Green Bay opening day how many people I talked to were TT haters. That is one thing But another is A few who put Favre above the team. I could never do that.

I asked them what the heck they were doing at a Packers game.

Packers schedule thus far:

Tight win over Chicago, who beat Pittsburgh

Tight loss to Cincinnati, who beat Pittsburgh

Comfortable win over St. Louis, who sucks

Let me know when I'm supposed to panic...

Maybe the win over PIT will open some eyes that CIN is not the pushover most seemed to think they were. They are one fluke play from being 3-0 against some decent competition. Yes we played poorly against them, but to this day I think most of our fans believe CIN is a low end team, which simply isn't true.

Panic assumes someone has lost control of their mental faculties, I do not panic; ever. I think M3 is a horible coach and want to see him gone.

Good points except it wasn't that comfortable a win over a poor team with their backup QB.

As I think about it, alot of the dissapointment is due to our good preseason and high hopes for a dominating early season. Hopefully we will build quality through this season and peak for the playoffs and all this talk will seem ridiculous in hindsight. One can hope

Great plan. Let's get Belichick for our offensive coordinator.

So you are prepared to concede that some of your "when will MM be fired" posts aren't exactly objective?

Ok I won't panic then.

Let me know when I'm supposed to be concerned the Packers can't win with the current regime...

No I think I have been very objective, his play calling is unimaginative and his team is poorly prepared to play and his adjustments are fruitless

I guess if you don't have I high opinion of yourself, no one else will.

How did I ever wander into the negative posters thread??

We were 4 yds from being 3-0.

Every team comes to play in the NFL.

Go Pack!!(I think??)

Actually, Boller gave them a better chance at winning. He was mobile and GB did not plan for him.

2nd, this is the kind of game that GB LOST last year. They did put the Rams away, when they were not playing their best. This team really needs to play better, but they won this game going away and while the score was not an good indication of their play, they did not have to worry when the clock was counting down in the 4th. Last year, a lot of games they could of should of, but toward the end of the 4th, it seemed like they were trying to hold on and DID NOT.

2 Ws in 3 games. Not pretty, but a work in progress.

I hope you are right, because the season is going to be a great one, and I think it still could be if the O-line can hold their own.

If god forbid it is another losing season, it's time to start over IMO, they would both need to go in that case.

No worries, with Jarred Bush in there TT and MM will not see the axe.

Come on, JB has a lot of potential. Each year he gets a little better. Just imagine how good he will be when he's 40.

I dont think that they are in any sort of trouble NOW, but if the Packers don't win at least 9 games this year, the heat will be on BOTH of them.

I am a moderate when it comes to Thompson and McCarthy. I really like McCarthy and think he is the right person for the job. I also like Thompson.

If you look at the loss to the Bengals, it wasn't THAT bad. It was because it was the BENGALS, but the team the Packers lost to is a team that is 2-1 (and SHOULD be 3-0) and just beat Pittsburgh, thw WORLD CHAMPS today in come from behind fashon, the BENGALS!!

I think Minnesota has more issues then Cinci. The ESCAPED the 49ers game (and the 49ers are a far less talented team playing w/o Gore) and didn't impress against either Detroit OR Cleveland.

I would call myself a moderate on TT and MM too but I'm starting to be a bit swayed against them. 2 things really bug me about TT.
1. I think he's a bit stubborn when it comes to admitting he made a personnel mistake. Like matching the titans offer on Bush .
2. He sticks too tight to his philosophy. While I like building from within and developing your squad, you can't leave positions short of talent or capable backups (i.e. LT, S, and DE).

MM is starting to bug me just recently. Don't tell me about fundamentals and fixing things week after week. Fix them or put a guy on the bench and make an example. I don't need him to have a tirade on the sidelines but I'm done with excuses. I'm also done with the stretch play.

Are we not 2-1 and with a victory Monday can move into 1st place?

Yeah, that win yesterday was terrible. How many more games must we suffer only beating teams by 19 points?

But the Packers won't be the benefactors as he will be traded to the Jets just prior...

No kidding. Fans are all spooked about playing MN, a team that has to scratch and claw their way to victories over teams that no one would confuse with the elites of the NFL.

Actually, I think Thompson has been refreshingly candid about the mistakes he has made. Wolf wasn't too quick to confess to mistakes either, except in the general sense (which just about everybody is good at - you know, the "we all make mistakes" sorts of comments, but just try to pin such people down on a specific mistake). After retirement, Wolf was more forthcoming.

Thompson owned up to mistakes made on Wahle and on the attempt to pick up Moss without mincing any bones.

You can hardly expect him to own up to mistakes that you think he's made or arrive at the realization at the same time as you do. I'm sure he makes mistakes that he doesn't think are mistakes or that he hasn't realized are mistakes yet. Nothing uncommon about that.