Heatseeker
Sep 23 2009, 01:01 PM
LuvdaPack36
Sep 23 2009, 01:09 PM
Pretty lame comments if you ask me.
They aren't going to change anything? Then how are they going to go into STL and win? Why do professional athletes need to RISE to a challenge? Their type of football has won them 7 games out of the last 18.
Great motivational speech Mike. We are all impressed.
JASIII
Sep 23 2009, 01:10 PM
That video clip at the end of the article is great too. We get to once again see the Mora meltdown "Playoffs?".
Big Dave
Sep 23 2009, 02:05 PM
This is about the time where MM needs to give his 'Herm Edwards: You play to win' speech. They said this presser ended on a fiery note for coach, which is what I like to hear, but telling us fans nothing is going to change is not what I, as a fan, wants to hear
Nothing is gonna to change, Mike?
While the score didn't say so, we just got our asses handed to us by the Cincinnati Bengals. Things need to change. Somewhere. Anywhere. Whether it's in your play-calling, packages, substitutions, etc.
Because however you got this team prepared for Cincy, you need to NOT do that. Ever again.
jpackman
Sep 23 2009, 02:53 PM
NO prob with JSONLINE, But I think they take a bit out of context... It appears this way at the gazette...
How confident in offensive line? "They're going to rise to the challenge, and they need to, and we all do, starting with me. We're going down there to play football the way we're supposed to play football. Hey, we didn't play very good last week. That's last week, we're 1-1 and we're excited about this opportunity in St. Louis. We're going to line up and play just the way we did every day. Nothing is going to change. We're not changing any plays, any practice schedules, any linemen, any safeties. We're going down to St. Louis to win a game, and we're going to play our type of football. That's our approach."
I see no issue with that , it is telling me he is telling his O line and all of them they are going to man up...
Was I pissed after Sundays Loss..oh yeah... All I could think of was Lombardi yelling "What The Hell is Going On Out There"....
To Me Sunday and even week 1 , I wanted to see the whole package the new and improved D, the new ST ... and see how that fit with what I felt was our strenght last year..the Offense...
Come on guys.. This team put up points last year and could score with the best of them... The D does look better then last year.. No I dont like Benson running all over us... and expected our LB's to make more tackles then what I saw Woodsen do..BUt Capers ill get that straight...and each year McCarthy has coached the O , yeah we had some struggles but the O has been respectable...
Lets get a Bounce back Game against St Louis..Yeah that is a team that does not want to go 0-3 so they will be fighting, we just have to fight harder....
I have seen a lot of sportswriters and there take ,,and also some Steeler fans, Cinci is and was no Pushover and I think the team needed what Charles Woodsen stated.."We Got our Ass Kicked." Might be a good dose of medicine and start playing instead of all the other garbage...maybe I am off here..But I do have some confidence and faith in this team...JMO......
One last point If I recall the line that is starting next week , actually was the line that started last year when we had some wins while there was that rash of injuries... Except Sitton... and Barbre...But I do Believe Barbre played some..I just hope if the line starts Gelling with Wells and these guys..Maybe MM should leave it alone if this fixes it, then if it aint broke...dont mess with it then...Dont care who is on the Bench......JMO
mikebpackfan
Sep 23 2009, 03:00 PM
QUOTE (jpackman @ Sep 23 2009, 05:53 PM)

NO prob with JSONLINE, But I think they take a bit out of context... It appears this way at the gazette...
I think JSonline oversold it a bit. It doesn't belong anywhere near those other coaching meltdowns. It's up on Packers.com now and if you watch it, it is fairly matter-of-fact and not nearly the rant that Bedard described.
Aside: there is also a MM 'miked up' video on Packers.com that is interesting to watch.
Ayt
Sep 23 2009, 03:07 PM
The "Nothing's going to change" line seems to have very little to do with what he was stating overall. What should change exactly when its week 3 and you are 1-1? Should they bench a bunch of players, fire some coaches, change the way they practice and gameplan?
MM's focus sounds exactly like it should. He's preparing his team to go to St. Louis and to get a win. He's probably just a little annoyed and tired of talking about how terrible things have gone when in his mind its still early in the year and there are 14 games left and there is specifically one game to focus on right now. I doubt the reporters have asked much of anything about St. Louis so far this week.
Reporters have to make stories out of nothing. If I were a coach or a player I wouldn't want to talk to the media at all, but its part of the job description these days.
Thirteen Below
Sep 23 2009, 04:13 PM
I don't mean to nitpick here, because I know this is the sort of meaningless cliche coaches spit out all the time - but the thing that really had me scratching my head was the part at the end, where he said, "We're going to go down there... and play our type of football."
That got me wondering. What exactly does he think "our" type of football is? Because if his idea of "our" type of football is the type of football I've seen the team play the last two weeks - and especially last Sunday - I'd really rather hear him say we're going to start playing someone else's type of football for a change. Anyone else's; it almost doesn't matter whose.
Because the type of football that seems to be "our" type of football thus far is nothing short of horrible. What exactly does McCarthy think is this team's signature style? It's trademark? It's defining characteristic? When he thinks of "Packer football", what is it he is thinking? I'm genuinely curious. I would really be interested in knowing what it is McCarthy thinks works about this team, what aspect of the team's play makes him think we're on the right track. I'd really like to know what he sees that convinces him they don't need to start doing a lot of things very, very differently than they are doing them. Because whatever it is, I am so-o-o-o not seeing it.
IceBowlWitnessBoy
Sep 23 2009, 04:36 PM
Not sure why people find this surprising. McCarthy is all about believing in what they are doing and acting confident If he changes what they are doing, that would mean he didn't believe it any longer and would look somewhat foolish. Stability allows the team to find a footing, and grow from there.
Bud
Sep 23 2009, 04:42 PM
One article I found interesting was AR talking about less protection and more options in the underneath passing game. Maybe there will be a change.
LINK
Heatseeker
Sep 23 2009, 07:26 PM
QUOTE (Ayt @ Sep 23 2009, 06:07 PM)

The "Nothing's going to change" line seems to have very little to do with what he was stating overall. What should change exactly when its week 3 and you are 1-1?
I guess when you've played as poorly as they have, the answer I was kind of looking for was, "Play better."
That would be a nice change IMO.
big ror
Sep 23 2009, 09:33 PM
QUOTE (Heatseeker @ Sep 23 2009, 09:26 PM)

I guess when you've played as poorly as they have, the answer I was kind of looking for was, "Play better."
That would be a nice change IMO.
And that's what he said, at least tacitly.
He expects better play. So the level of play will "change."
The "nothing's gonna change" line is referring to his approach, his coaching philosophy.
ChicagoPackerFan
Sep 24 2009, 04:18 AM
I don't care what he meant, but saying "nothing is going to change" when you are not playing well is concerning.
PackerJB
Sep 24 2009, 05:08 AM
Hey MM, THINGS BETTER CHANGE.
OH Packer revisited
Sep 24 2009, 05:46 AM
I understand that technically nothing is going to change in terms of lineup (sans the Oline shuffle). We don't have options. I would be happy with 5 or less penalties for the game. Just one game where we don't have 100 yds in penalties.
This game is kind of a tipping point imo. If they go out there (win or lose) and make St. Louis look like a good team then I'm going to significantly readjust my thoughts on this season. This game should be won and it should be decisive if we are a playoff contender. Playoff teams don't allow 80 sacks in a season or set records for penalties. Another thing. If Bush has another game like that and they don't cut him then they deserve what they get.
Heatseeker
Sep 24 2009, 05:50 AM
QUOTE (big ror @ Sep 24 2009, 12:33 AM)

And that's what he said, at least tacitly.
He expects better play. So the level of play will "change."
The "nothing's gonna change" line is referring to his approach, his coaching philosophy.
I know he said, "Me included", as well, but if nothing is going to change regarding his approach and coaching philosophy, then frankly, I'm worried.
Ellis269
Sep 24 2009, 06:53 AM
One quick comment about the mic'd up segment. The game was tied and C. Wood had his INT return for a TD. McCarthy's comment was "There's one guy playing his ass off right there." I sure got the impression that he was really unhappy with the effort of the rest of the team up to that point.
It would have been nice to have the fumble on the long 3rd down bounce our way right before the half. As poorly as they had played up to that point, they likely would have been going into halftime with a two possession lead (with 14 or more points off of turnovers). That likely would have changed the outcome. You have to overcome those things, but that was one play that made a huge difference in this game.
PackerJB
Sep 24 2009, 07:01 AM
QUOTE (Heatseeker @ Sep 24 2009, 07:50 PM)

I know he said, "Me included", as well, but if nothing is going to change regarding his approach and coaching philosophy, then frankly, I'm worried.
Frankly, I'm very worried. The only thing that is keeping me from calling this a lost and hopeless season already, is that the Giants played poorly for the first few weeks of the season when they won the SB. Arizona didn't have the greatest regular season last year. So maybe it's better to struggle as a team now, rather than later. Get this mess out of the way early, cuz our schedule only gets tougher.
KC Pack Fan
Sep 24 2009, 07:14 AM
A. Who wants a coach that throws verbal vomit like the ones in the video? Real professional. I'm sure your players will take you much more seriously after a temper tantrum. Just ask any parent of a three year old. If you want dramatic tantrums just read the posts on PackerChatters. Plenty of them on here.
B. The media and fans don not have any right to know what goes on behind closed doors. The NFL makes players and coaches have PCs at different times of the week so the media can blow things out of proportion. "Any PR is good PR". What a coach wants to say is that coaches decision.
And 3. Teams constantly make changes whether they win or lose. A player was released and another one signed. I would indeed call that change. I am sure there will be many more.
Packer Backer NY
Sep 24 2009, 07:18 AM
QUOTE (PackerJB @ Sep 24 2009, 11:01 AM)

Frankly, I'm very worried. The only thing that is keeping me from calling this a lost and hopeless season already, is that the Giants played poorly for the first few weeks of the season when they won the SB. Arizona didn't have the greatest regular season last year. So maybe it's better to struggle as a team now, rather than later. Get this mess out of the way early, cuz our schedule only gets tougher.
Very true and I agree. The problem is, the Giants that year, according to the Giant fans I work with, were highly touted to go a long way. There issues were not with the guys on the field, but with the coaches. Mainly the head coach.
The Giants had (and still do for the most part) a lineup rich with playmakers and a solid OL with a brusing RB.
Waynorth
Sep 24 2009, 09:31 AM
QUOTE (OH Packer revisited @ Sep 24 2009, 08:46 PM)

I understand that technically nothing is going to change in terms of lineup (sans the Oline shuffle). We don't have options. I would be happy with 5 or less penalties for the game. Just one game where we don't have 100 yds in penalties.
This game is kind of a tipping point imo. If they go out there (win or lose) and make St. Louis look like a good team then I'm going to significantly readjust my thoughts on this season. This game should be won and it should be decisive if we are a playoff contender. Playoff teams don't allow 80 sacks in a season or set records for penalties. Another thing. If Bush has another game like that and they don't cut him then they deserve what they get.
I'm with you on the tipping point thing. This is a must win for a team that has played poorly to this point. More than that, they need to get some confidence back, and so must play well and win and not just squeak by. If they lose this game, or even play badly and win, I think they'll have a tough time beating Minn, although we know the matchup vs Favre will have the whole team sky high. How does Jared Allen vs Colledge going to look to a team starting to second guess itself. If they go 1-3 at the bye it's time to start up the TIVO and find something else to do on a beautiful fall afternoon.
This Sunday the Packers need to: 1] Protect Rodgers without max protect all day.
2] Linebackers need to tackle better, when they get a shot at Steven Jackson in the backfield, he needs to go down.
3] Catch the football, one more week of that and it's going to start to get in their heads.
4] The special teams need to play to their assignments.
5] McCarthy needs to react faster to the things that aren't working.His in game adjustments remind me of my 2nd daughter when she was three. If the square peg wouldn't go into the round hole she'd pound it with her little hammer for a half hour. I called her the little bullhead.
JimATX
Sep 24 2009, 10:10 AM
Bedard taking something out of context to sensationalize his story is not a surprise.
McCarthy expects better performance in their plans from everyone including himself. For those saying that something better change, what do you mean? I agree the change needs to be better play, but that was not what McCarthy was addressing.
Ayt
Sep 24 2009, 10:15 AM
QUOTE (JimATX @ Sep 24 2009, 12:10 PM)

Bedard taking something out of context to sensationalize his story is not a surprise.
McCarthy expects better performance in their plans from everyone including himself. For those saying that something better change, what do you mean? I agree the change needs to be better play, but that was not what McCarthy was addressing.
That's not sensationalistic enough. Ignore context.
Heatseeker
Sep 24 2009, 10:31 AM
QUOTE (JimATX @ Sep 24 2009, 01:10 PM)

Bedard taking something out of context to sensationalize his story is not a surprise.
McCarthy expects better performance in their plans from everyone including himself. For those saying that something better change, what do you mean? I agree the change needs to be better play, but that was not what McCarthy was addressing.
Yes, the play needs to be better. But so do the penalties. So does the discipline. So does the game plan. And so on. If things aren't going to change then the team CAN'T play better because the same ol' crap is still going to be happening.
phanatic1
Sep 24 2009, 11:10 AM
Are people expecting sweeping changes here? What kind of changes could we make? Bench a couple of OL for their poor play - and replace them with who?? Make a QB change cause AR is holding the ball to long? Come on folks. There are no sweeping changes to make because we have no other options. There will be no changes on the player side, but I would expect some changes play calling wise and defense wise. I see already they are talking of cutting down some of the defensive playbook to help. And AR is hinting that we should not mass protect, but rather let the RB's and TE's get out quicker rather than chipping. I would expect to see a lot of short passes this Sunday and lots of times we are 2nd and 3 or 3rd and 1.
I would like to see an identity formed and a "go to" set like the past. The old U 71 set is an example. Teams knew it was coming, but could not stop it. Not sure what it would be, but in several articles this week, some talk about how this team lacks a defining style and an identifying signature set.
And, right now, I think, and by no means am I an expert, our OL is hampered because we are neither a zone blocking team or a power team. We try to do both and it doesn't work. The ZBS has not been as successful has it has for other teams, so lets go back to the one on one power and stop the finese stuff. Get physical and pound on people.
JASIII
Sep 24 2009, 11:43 AM
QUOTE (phanatic1 @ Sep 24 2009, 02:10 PM)

The ZBS has not been as successful has it has for other teams, so lets go back to the one on one power and stop the finese stuff. Get physical and pound on people.
I read an article recently that pointed out that the only team to have any sort of extended success with the ZBS was Denver. Atlanta was good for 2 years (with Vick running a lot too), but when Alex Gibbs left Atlanta, the success of the ZBS left too. I was leery of the scheme from the beginning and it has proven to be nothing but a hindrance.
Ayt
Sep 24 2009, 12:04 PM
When was the last time any of you saw a cut block?
At this point we don't run any more zone type scheme than most other NFL teams. We don't do a ton of pulling, though we do occasionally pull a guard or a tackle on a sweep play, but many other teams don't use a lot of pulling either.
Lambeau5
Sep 24 2009, 12:47 PM
QUOTE (Ayt @ Sep 24 2009, 03:04 PM)

When was the last time any of you saw a cut block?
At this point we don't run any more zone type scheme than most other NFL teams. We don't do a ton of pulling, though we do occasionally pull a guard or a tackle on a sweep play, but many other teams don't use a lot of pulling either.
Ayt - You could have stopped your comment at
anymore 
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14 attempts will not give your oline a chance to get into a rythym. They need 20-25-30 attempts to be successful.
Ghost of Max McGee
Sep 25 2009, 06:11 AM
"14 attempts will not give your oline a chance to get into a rythym. They need 20-25-30 attempts to be successful."
Exactly!
"Nothing is going to change" - seems like that is the problem in a nutshell. What MM has shown me over the past 3 years is he is not willing to deviate from his plan. And while I agree the season is not lost at 1-1, how can anyone be ok with losing a HOME GAME"? I mean they aren't the freakin Brewers here. Lambeau used to be a place teams hated to come in and play at. Yet what is the Packers record at home over the past 3 years under the MM regime. It ain't very good that's all I know.
Fine - don't change, but when your OL is underwhelming the opponents pass rush, maybe you could either keep a back in for help, call shorter pass routes, hell Maybe even run the ball a little more.
And if we give up another 3rd and 34 this year becasue we refuse to change anything then maybe it is time for a major change at the top.
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