It is clear he is nothing but awful. You can not tell me you can not find someone out there who does not give up big play after big play like he does. Bush should be told tomm morning to turn in his playbook because he is gone.

With both our starting safties hurt, he's not going anywhere.

I am not huge on J. Bush either and would rather have Smith on the team then him. However, anytime there is a loss we find a whipping boy. Jared Bush did not lose this game for us today, it was offensive line, defensive line/LB's.

yep... when ya have em pinned back and a 3rd and 31, they get 39 on a screen pass just looking to get some pnting room... yep the D let down somewhere... i think it was the LB"s

There were some on this board when Bush was resigned justified it as oh Tennesee wanted him he must be good. Bush is not going anywhere because of the injuries. But he is worthless i'm sorry. Two penalties on special teams. He is certainly not to blame for the loss today but he did nothing to help his team either.

He has been consistent. Consistently bad, that is. I have never seen the attraction. He may have pictures of Thompson or something. I could not believe when they kept him last year when Tennessee wanted him.

Frankly, I was dismayed we matched that offer. It was only due to special teams but a bad signing nonetheless.

Bush is here for two reasons.

1) He can play both CB and S. He can play both horribly that is.

2) He is a supposed Special Teams demon. Nevermind they saved Swain, Havner, 18 FBs, etc. They needed one more ST player that can have a penalty or some other stupid play every single game.

Packers did not keep their best 53 players, and this may be the most glaring example.

Bush should go ASAP.

Bush is a great ST player.

Did that new guy Martin play yesterday?

Martin has played in both games.

This topic = overreaction

This topic= Proper reaction. I didn't want Bush last year, I didn't want him this year. Not a reaction to the Bengals game, it's a reaction to his entire career in Green Bay.

Then Martin hasn't done much yet either cuz I don't remember his name being called yesterday or last week...

I would not go that far

Marin has only played on Special teams

He may have a few snaps like 2-5 on Defense

If any

I really think that the defensive play calling is to blame as well. Why blitz your best corner and leave a backup safety in man to man coverage?

To me thats a good thing. I would rather have a STs player not be mentioned than have him be called on two false start penalties in a row on a punt. It never ends with Bush. He always finds a way to screw up on STs. Don't even get me started about his terrible play as an actual position player in the secondary. He couldn't recover that fumble against the Giants that would have iced the game. He let a punt bounce off of him against Chicago last year. In the same game he got dragged 30 yards down the field by a guy the same size as him on a kickoff return. Special teams penalties in both of our games so far. How the heck is this guy on our team. He is terrible. He's a poor position player and unreliable on special teams.

Thompson needs to take the blinders off. He keeps guys with potential over proven players. Bush is one heck of an athlete but he just doesn't get it done. He has an amazing combination of size, speed, and athleticism. He sucks though. Sorry but I'm sick and tired of watching this guy do dumb stuff over and over again. Two consecutive false start penalties. One led to Kapinos kicking deep in the end zone. That punt led to a big return inside the 10. Punting from the back of the end zone is never a good thing. Its hard to get off a good kick.

I was LIVID when they matched the offer sheet. Bush is a below average DB and an above average st player AT BEST. I wouldn't mind seeing him go NOW and give Underwood a shot since he give the Packers the same flexability as a CB/S.

I think mcCarthy pretty muched said in "coach speak" that Bush's penalties NEED to stop NOW or he will be out on the street sooner rather then later.

I agree at least underwood gives a little more effort and isn't ten yards away when the ball is caught

Or at least give Martin a shot

I heard yesterday on the radio that if Collins can not go this week that Martin may get the start.

I hope Martin or Someone steps Up

Or Underwood

We need a safety other than collins to step Up

That would be a nice add. to have

All pro bowlers on the sec.

Since Bush is sooo bad, maybe the team can sign his girlfriend(who is a professional track athlete with Nike) to a contract. She can't be a helluva lot worse than him, and maybe she can run down a few of those WR's running free. Either that or she can race him as he's run outta town. See who hits the GB city limits first. My money is on her!

I certainly understand the frustration with Bush getting two false start penalties - that is not acceptable, despite it being his trying to explode of the line of scrimmage to make plays. I also can see the disappointment some fans feel that while a decent backup, he is not ever going to be starting material.

Having said that, if you remove the emotion from the equation, there is almost league wide consensus that Bush is one of the best punt gunners in the NFL. His versatility in being able to fill in at both safety and cornerback gives the team roster flexibility which adds to his value.

You all can go on and on about how he sucks, but it is uninformed emotion rather than player evaluation.

I know this will not be a popular stance, but while I am always in favor of upgrading your squad I believe that you do so when you have a better player to take his place - that is not currently the case.

He is a game changer. When we struggle, he comes in and we do worse.

When he is in on a play, he either blows it or costs us a penalty and gives the other team a first down. If you are only keeping this F up because he is a special teams phenom, it doesn't say a lot. If he is such a stand out gunner, why have we never seen him make a tackle?

That just goes to show you that you can make the team then being a awful DB but just cause your fast you can play ST as a ok player at times.

Well, we certanly cannot cut him now. Too many injuries despite the fact that he is a liability whenever he comes on the field.

We should have never matched the offer from Tenn.

Can we get Smith back?

Does anyone have George Teague's phone number?

You do realize that just because someone has a different opinion it doesn't make them uninformed or emotional. How do you know there's almost league wide consensus...speaking of the facts. Because a reporter said so? Because you meet with all the GMs? No, it's speculation on your part.

They kept Swain primarily for ST, so he better be a damn good gunner too. They have Blackmon that can do it, Nelson...there are other options. Keeping a guy on the 45 just because he's a good gunner on ST is a terrible waste of a roster spot.

GREAT?? REALLY?

Flat out. One of the best gunners in the NFC.

Can you give me an example of a great ST play he has made? Has he caused a fumble that we recovered that led to a score? Laid a guy out after getting past a few blockers?

Just curious because I only hear his name on penalties or when he gives up big plays.

Watch him play.

I know I can't convince people that think he's terrible that he's actually very good on ST. Him being 2nd on the team in ST tackles last year was a fluke I guess, despite the fact that gunners are taking on two blockers.

NO it is not speculation on my part, it is based on many things including objective evaluation of his play.

It is confirmed by scouts around the league. It was confirmed by TT and the staff signing him to $1.01 million dollar tender. It was confirmed several teams bringing him in and negotiating with him. It is confirmed by the Tennessee Titans signing Bush to a restricted free agent offer sheet forcing the Packers to either let him go or match their offer, and it was confirmed by the Packers quickly matching the offer.

The speculation is on your part as you definitively declare him to "suck" and "terrible waste of a roster spot." Or is that based upon your meeting with all of the GM's?

I have no attachement to Bush. I went into this season hoping the Packers would upgrade significantly and not need him -- that did not happen. And that is simply a fact based upon the objective reality of him being on the roster and playing a significant role on the team.

I never implied that someone having a different opinion makes them uninformed or emotional - that comes from the emotional rants that are devoid of any objective evaluation. Plenty of people I respect disagree with my opinions and I make no claim on the truth.



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I believe I said "If Bush is still on the roster we have failed our offseason." Same statement. Mine was a little more dramatic.

I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that it wouldn't take a whole lot to replace that "super gunner" (who false starts twice during a game) for the added protection of a player who actually can come in and play safety now and then.




You say, "THAT DID NOT HAPPEN".

My question is... "WHY?".

He's actually a really good gunner.

I still would rather have a better position player on the team for depth reasons, because our starters at safety have hardly been durable in the past. You knew we would need the backup at some point.

Instead, we now have 2 guys who don't know the defense particulary well, a complicated defense I might add...and Bush.

And a Pro-Bowl player who has only missed 3 games his entire career in Nick Collins.

Oh crap forgot about him. My worries are over.

I have. That is why I asked you to give me a great play he has made. He was actually yanked from the ST's against the Bengals after comitting two penalties for false starts.

He may be fast and he may be a good gunner but it doesn't help when he is getting yanked for stupid mistakes, then put on the field as a DB where he is clearly a liability.

Guys like Rouse, Bush, Colledge are symptoms of why we are not winning games. The liability they bring to the table is sometimes too much for the rest of the team to overcome.

This is complete garbage, hogwash, bullcrap, whatever you want to call it. The fact is that Bush isn't a good Safety. Not even a good backup. While he may be a decent special teams player he could easily be deemed a waste of a roster spot. Especially being that we need him to start. His liability at Safety is not worth what he brings on special teams.

Your first post calls others who disagree with you "uninformed" and is insulting. Then you compound the issue with some passive aggressive speak (roll eyes) that claims to be fact based on TT signing him and the Titans giving him an offer. That creates quite an assumption. We know TT has made mistakes in the past and I'm sure the Titans have too. While you seem to be very involved and usually offer good insight to this site I personally think you are way off on this one. Just because Bush had a crappy game certainly doesn't mean I'm overreacting by thinking he sucks. I thought he sucked last year! We are dedicating enough roster spots for ST players already. I'd rather have a safety.

The paradoxical thing about this topic is how many fans on this site pound the table again and again and again about how Bush and several other Packers are great on special teams.

"Bush can do this. Kuhn can do that. Havner does this", etc.

Yet, for most of the last four or five years, the Packers special teams are one of the worst in NFL.

Sarcasm????

Actually, he's terrible and couldn't even play in the arena league (if it even exists anymore).

I was thinking of Martin making tackles but you are right. At least he wasn't screwing up like Bush does at times.

Why would we want him back? He is currently the 3rd stringer on the #25th ranked passing defense in the league.

Like I said, I have no stake in whether or not Bush makes the Packer's team or roster.

What I have maintained is pretty straight forward the following are objective facts (not my opinions):

• Bush is respected by front offices in the NFL supported by multiple teams bringing him in and trying to sign him as a RFA
• The Titan's a team with one of the best records in the NFL last season signed Bush to an offer sheet
• TT matched the offer
• In open competition in training camp Bush once again beat off the competition and earned a roster spot
• When faced with cutting a safety this week the coaching staff and front office saw Bush far more worthy of keeping a roster spot than Rouse (a high TT draft pick)

I don't mean to insult anyone, if you believe the objective facts are in your words:



I cannot find a single objective fact in your quote, so there is no sense in debating. I believe you are entitled to all of those opinions, but you certainly seem to be mistaking opinions from facts IMO.

I truely am done with the topic. I am doing my best (which obviously is not good enough sometimes) to not get hooked and engage or get frustrated to the point of no return.

Facts, yet not necessarily anything that backs up your ascertation that Bush actually deserves our roster spot.




Not sure this is a "fact". Tennessee signed him to an offer sheet. Nobody else did.



And they are 0-3.



Which was a mistake, in my honest opinion. How does this help your argument? This may be a "fact" but it's certainly NOT a fact that matching the Bush contract was a smart move.



Hardly. Earned a roster spot is speculation. The correct "fact" is. Bush ended up on the roster.



High praise beating out Rouse?!!?!!?? Seriously?




You may have facts, but, they aren't facts that help your opinion that Jarrett Bush is a good player who is deserving of one of our roster spots.

Good points Faede !!!! Bush should not be on this team....3 st penalties in 2 weeks....

I pray Bush sprains a ankle or something in practice this week so he misses the game. He is better inactive then having Favre making Bush his *itch for the whole game.