Apparently Favre has signed with the Vikings today. Apparently we can anticipate seeing him wearing a purple #4 on Oct 5 and Nov 1. Many people here, me included, have very strong reactions to this.

However, I caution you all that posting standards still apply. This forum is to stay at a PG-13 level. Physical threats will not be tolerated. Find a way to express your disgust without excessive name calling, swearing, or wishes for broken bones.

Personally, I will continue to wait until the first game. But if he takes the field against the Packers wearing purple, I will be mailing my #4 jerseys to him, c/o Vikings HQ, with a note: "I won't be needing these anymore." I encourage you all to do something similar.

He is, imho, a shadow of his former self. I don't believe he can play 16 games. I don't believe he will finish this season. I don't believe he will bring a SB to the queens. I don't even think he has great odds at beating the Packers. He's never played well against a 3-4 blitz package.

...and his mama's an astronaut!

Way to Go Mark... I like what I read.. Thank You... I agree all # 4 Jerseys should be mailed to Queens headquarters...

Thanks again

Mark,

I will be sending/posting a blog (and an article here on PC) on why it is a GOOD thing he went to Minnesota layer today. Please PM me your e-mail so I can send it to you as well.

In that blog/article I will share my thoughts on his decision.

Wow, boo hoo hes not playing for the Pack. Its not like he had a choice to play for GB anymore. Mailing in your jersey? Sounds pretty juvenile to me. I'll just watch him play a game he still loves.

The problems that WILL occur ( and they will, we all know it) can be easily solved by dumping the Brett Favre forum.

That will save a lot of headaches.


And Mark, I like the idea of mailing the jerseys. In fact Id like to go as far as to offer my services. I am willing to take everyones jersey, pack them nice and neatly in a few boxes and mail them ALL AT ONCE to either his house or the Vikings stadium via UPS or Fed-Ex.

I will take you up on that Luvda... I have two adults and one child jersey.... Can we use them in our bathrooms first...

Will I need rubber gloves to handle them?

Well, firstly, I think dumping the forum is a bad idea. Many people like the Favre forum.

Secondly, there are no problems here, period - except those in people's heads. I'm never sure which is the worse behaviour - outlandish, even offensive posts or all the reactions to them.

Thirdly, I think peer pressure is more than sufficient to get people to back off of the more violent wishes, like hoping for broken bones or what not. This response to the pressure will never appear immediately - people do have egos and prefer to save face, but left alone after that, will normally become more circumspect. Those few that don't can be contacted by mods without all this public presence of "standards of behaviour".

Nothing so far merits this thread or indeed some of the threats I've seen. Sure, some really infantile comments, but the best way to deal with them generally is to let them die a natural death. I appreciate that the mods would like all of us to behave as citizens in Brave New World, but they need to realize that the power in that type of culture was entirely by peer pressure. Billy club swinging and a constant reminder of the presence of overlords is not necessary, never mind that it's counter productive to the desired goal.

IMHO, of course, of course.

How does that song go?

imho, of course, of course,

and no one can talk to a horse, of course,

unless, of course, the horse, of course. . .

I dunno, something like that.

Terry, thanks for the wish that we all behave as adults without the need of overlords. Meanwhile, the standards still apply.

I used the word, "horsehockey" in a post today. Does that count?

A lot of people like it me included but that does not mean people will act repsonsibly and respectfully towards each other. Most Favre threads inevitably go south pretty quick.

HA! Thats so odd its hilarious - truly funny.


Random thoughts:

1. I wonder how many other players Brad picked up at the airport?
Wonder if the other players are whispering: "Hey Bro....BC drive you in man?? Nobody drove my butt here but me!

2. How many sacks did the Vikes give up last year? I tried working NFL.com for this info but couldnt pull it off.
If anycan can track it down, I'd appreciate knowing......

3. Favre is looking for his "Elway exit"...he's got his "TD" to carry him and hopes to get his "spinning around" in a SuperBowl highlight.
Good for him - dont hold it against him - but I hope he's blitzed to death and forced into mistakes.

4. Not literally folks...I dont suggest anybody dieing is a good thing....so keep cool.

5. I dont begrudge Favre being a puss....but thats what he's become in my view.

6. Winning that first head to head matchup with the Vikes on the road is going to be a tough task for the Pack (as much as I hate to admit it) The dome's gonna be rocking bigtime....

7. Thats my take and I'm sticking to it!

Since it is clear Favre does not want to be a Packer anymore the Packers should no longer want him to be a Packer. Give the number 4 to the punter, resind the marketing deal. I will be booing him when he comes to Lambeu and chant has been.

...is the famous Mr Ed, dah dah dah dum! You know, I don't think it was something like that - I think it was exactly like that, LOL.

You know, the college class of 2013 will think the Jolly Green Giant is a guy named Shrek and they probably won't ever have heard of Dr Seuss.

A slight correction - I didn't say we didn't need overlords. We do, obviously. I said, "...a constant reminder of the presence of overlords is not necessary."

To be more specific, I meant a constant reminder of overlords' power is not necessary. You guys start threads and have general things to say frequently enough that I think everyone knows who you are, so your very presence just making comments as fellow posters is sufficient normally. IMO, again, of course. If a cop walks into the local and says "how are y'all doing tonight?" and then proceeds to have a few friendly words with a few people, it's every bit as effective as stepping in and announcing that they must all behave and a helluva lot more friendly and less rude.

But it's ok, Mark. I didn't expect anyone to just say, "Gee, Terry, you're right."

Luvda: I don't think the Favre thread in question went south at all. Like I said, it's just in heads. It's fear talking.

15 years ago I helped a buddy burn his Houston Oiler Jersey and he became a Packer fan. We go to one game every year as he lives in Reno, NV and I live in Kansas City. In this time honored tradition we will be burning our #4 jerseys in the parking lot prior to the Lions game. Can't think of a better way to light a grill. Brett Brats!

I have decided to just no longer post anymore on the subject. I didn't post a ton on it anyway. IMO he is just another QB we need to prepare for twice a year. Sad but true.

I just don't want to see any of these so called Packer fans like last year who say they are Packer fans but yet showed up wearing Favre Jet jersey's to games and see this year claiming to be packer fans but yet wearing Favre Viking jerseys. They are not Packer fans they are Favre fans. That is ok just don't claim to be a Packer fan though.

I do not wish any physical harm befall Brett Favre. I want him to be in as good of shape as his 40-year-old body can be in when Green Bay strolls into Minnesota and uses the Vikings as dental floss. I want Favre, in good health, to toss perfect spirals into Nick Collins and Charles Woodson's waiting arms; and I want Favre to not even have a nick on his body so that when the cameras catch him all alone on the Vikings bench, with a 1,000 yard stare, looking old and helpless, I can relish in his misery.

- Funny, a year ago this sort of thing would have devastated me. This year I find it to be as interesting a subplot as Vick going to the Eagles. Interesting, great conversation topic, but it doesn't seem as personal. And no, this is not a contradiction to what I wrote above. That is exactly what I would be wishing for Sage Rosenfels. It's just with Sage, there's no point in saying it aloud.

Well if anything the recent Farve postings may be a true barometer of peoples personalities, the good the bad and the ugly. While the majority people here are a class act and seem like great people there are a few that I'm sure I wouldn't want to have a beer with, even if they seem to be a Packer fan.

Nicely done, Terry.

It is also nice to see you back. Where have you been hiding?

I'm jealous...and a bit on the confused side.....
I dont post that often...trying (unlike my associate Mr. T....) to keep my offerings to quick tidbits of wit, wisdom and easily forgotten brilliance...but do I get an "Atta-boy! Good to have you back....!

Noooooooooooooo!

Some things I just dont understand.

Schadenfreude is definitely not good for your soul.


I very much appreciate that, Packer Backer. Thank you! Immense internet difficulties - for months. Immense residence difficulties. But now, I've moved, my internet is reasonably ok, and I'll be around - though if I can also recover my long lost sanity, perhaps not quite as much as I used to be.


Atta-boy, Leader! Keep those tidbits of wit and wisdom coming!

But hey, you're way ahead of me - for you, it's "some things" you don't understand. For me, I'm very lucky if there are even a few things I do understand! (And of course, football isn't one of them, so naturally I hang around here, like a village idiot.)

I'll tell ya' though - if you're jealous of me, I'll be concerned about your mental health! But then again, if one's mental health is going, this is definitely the era for it to happen. Chances are that no one would even notice.

Not sure who I'm directing this to, but anyway:

Overreacting to people's frustration is a lousy idea. People are going to be pissed, and they're going to want to vent. What better place to do it than somewhere where they're among fellow Packer fans? Some people can say "I wish him continued success, but I hope he fails miserably against the Pack" while others may be contemplating the satisfaction they'd get from seeing Favre go down with a season-interrupting or season-ending injury. I think it's ridiculous to conclude that the latter folks are bad people or somehow beneath you. In fact, it's down right arrogant. Not everyone deals with frustration the same way you do. It doesn't make them wrong, and it doesn't make you right or better. It's just different.

As long as they're not actually sitting there hatching out some plan to physically harm someone, then give'em a break and allow some leeway. We're called "fans" for a reason - it's an abbreviation of "fanatic." Fanatics aren't generally thought of as being 100% reasonable and thoughtful at all times. Being a fanatic sometimes means acting on emotion and saying or feeling things that you wouldn't normally say and probably don't even mean when you don't down to it - it's simply a way to vent frustrations.

As long as people aren't turning on their fellow posters or launching into obscenity-laced tirades, give'em some leeway. Some people just need to vent. It'll pass. No fans in the NFL have ever had to deal with what Packers fans are dealing with right now. You're gonna have some extreme reactions. It doesn't make them bad people - just passionate.

It's not 'just different'...

You really don't see anything morally reprehensible in wishing injury on another human being who has done no personal wrong to you?

If that makes me arrogant - so be it.

When I start sitting in my basement hatching out the perfect hit job or pushing needles through my #4 voodoo doll, then feel free to lay it on me. Until then, it's just frustrated people doing some venting.

No one's talking about Favre getting into a car accident, or a plane crash, or some other off-field issue. Injuries happen in every single game of football. We're not talking about a shooting or mugging here. Get off the high horse.

Injuring the other guy is built into the character of football. Hell, it's one of the key tenants of good defense: hit the other guy so hard, so fast and so out of no where, that he'll think twice about coming your way again. It's why receivers get alligator arms - they're afraid of getting hit. Why would they be afraid of getting hit? Because they know that the other guy is gonna hit them as hard as they can. Okay, they got up from that first hit - but that second hit? They may not be able to get up on their own from that next one. And that's the exact thought that every defender is trying to put into the opponent. Pain. Injury.

It's built into the game.

1. I like the jersey mailing idea.

2. I don't wish injury on anyone.

3. I want the Packers defense to hit him so hard that he throws down his helmet, starts crying and quits in the middle of the game.

Ok - still - hard hitting and wishing for injury are very different things...

I'm wondering if you would feel fine - hoping for injury for Favre - if someone took a cheap shot at him and he had to be carted off the field unconscious... Hey, that's a part of football too - but nobody - not the players - wants to see that happen. Have you ever looked at both sidelines when a player is motionless on the ground? Almost every one of them - on BOTH teams - is praying that he is okay.

LOL - thats too funny...very improbable, but funny (to me at least....)

I don't think I've ever advocated head-hunting or cheap shots. I just want a good ol' hard tackle.

... yeah but then he would come back in the second half, tell the coach to put him, then say - "no, wait a minute I'm not really ready" and then say "yes, put me in" and then "no, I'm not into it any more ..." and then ...

Cheap shots or not - you're wishing injury upon the guy... Where do you draw the line? Is an accidental paralyzation okay - as long as it isn't head-hunting?

I want an emotionally-charged, hard-hitting game as well when we play the Vikings - but I am not HOPING to see anyone hurt to the extent to end their season and/or career...

I think I've said enough - my point has been made...

Oh good lord, stop being so straight-laced. You ever wanted to punch a guy because he ticked you off? Same principle. It's an emotional reaction. It's like the Green Bay Vulcan board around here or something, geez.

Regarldess, I've been told by a moderator via PM that he's tolerated me about as much as he will regarding this topic, so this thrilling tete a tete will have to come to conclusion with whatever your next reply might be.

From week 4 to 8 the vikes play GB, STL, BAL, PIT, and then GB again. That is 4 out 5 games against some hard hitting 3-4 defenses. Something Favre has had trouble with in his career. I'll be surprised if he makes it through the season.

He still has a small tear in his rotator cuff that the Vikings knew about before hand. I think he is going to blow his arm out before half the season is over.

I understand you fellows intentions, but may I suggest donating them to a thrift store? In my job I see kids and disabled that literally don't have a shirt on their back. They don't care what color or number is on it. It covers them. Go Pack.

I disagree... any pitcher or QB who has thrown a ball for 16+ seasons likely has a cuff tear. With Favre's degradation in mobility the past few years I expect that will be his downfall (if it happens) and not his arm.

WoW, my Packer #4 Brett Favre jersey will be worth a million seeing I will have the only one left, along with all my Favre memorabilia. I thought the train left the station and we moved on why should we care who he plays with? I fail to see any logic in all the hysteria and vitriol.

Oh and I'm still the biggest Packer fan on this forum in case you wondered

It doesnt matter whether there is a Favre sub-forum or not. We'll always get threads like these http://www.packerchatters.com/4ums/index.p...=15145&st=0 and the same old crap will get re-hashed anyways.

I have a feeling the forum will be nasty with Favre talk when the Pack plays the Vikings.

The worst will come after the games no matter what the final score.

This whole Favre thing has really brought out the true packer fans. For better or for worse, it seems as if we (as packer fans) are divided, and aren't that 'class act' in the NFL like we use to be.

Favre is with the Vikings. There is nothing we can do about it. A majority of packer fans are pissed off, but some more then others are dealing with it in a way that doesn't paint the green and gold in a classy manor.

I say we take the high road in this, listen to upper brass, and like they said the train has left the station. Let the Packer defense and our over all team play do the walking and talking for us. The more I see fans bash Favre (even when it's deserved) the more I start to second guess how special Packer fans really are.

I have a high expectation for Packer fans, we should be loyal and FOR our team...even if players can't be. Favre signing with the Vikings has turned some fans against Favre instead of FOR the Pack.

I hope time will be able to heal these wounds where as fans we can all get back on the same page, and be the mature class act of the NFL we once were...

Cripes. More sanctimony.

I really haven't seen THAT much bad behavior related to Favre on this site (unless Larry is deleting it before I can read it). Someone was a little upset about a thread calling Favre Barney. That's not that bad. That's just having some fun with it. We can't have fun, now? You talk about loyalty and then say fans can't be upset about a Packer legend not being loyal? I just don't get it. I think we are all following the team with vigor (maybe even moreso due to the new defense) this pre-season, irregardless of what the Mississippi Queen is doing.

Furthermore, I think your view of Packer fans is delusional. How can you take a group as diverse as "Packer fans" and throw some crazy label on all of them. There is no panel deciding who can or can't be a Packer fan. There are no barriers for entry at all. So, any psycho-lunatic moron can become a Packer fan overnight and then start saying Favre should be Gilloolied. You can see three or four posts from that fringe and decide that all Packer fans have become 'immature' and 'classless'. I have met a lot of prick Packer fans. I have met a lot of prick Viking fans. I have met a lot of great Packer fans. I have met a few good Viking fans.

I'll change my tune to sound more like you if Lambeau becomes the dog pound when the Vikings show up. That's out of line. But, I have a feeling you are going to think funny anti-Favre signs or booing Favre is out of line. I just don't think so. Remember that fan is short for fanatic and those people are passionate about someone they idolized acting like a diva and they are all there to ultimately have some fun.

mikebpackfan, I haven't seen that much bad behaviour related to Favre either. But at the same time, I have seen a number of people wish for very bad things to happen to him. I don't think k9 was referring to someone calling Favre 'Barney' or any other such levity. I wish more of us would have some fun about the issue. But wishing for physical injuries or delighting in his humiliation does definitely lower the bar for fans who like to see themselves, as a group, as among the finest and classiest fans in the NFL. I thought K9's post was pretty good, actually. I didn't get a sense of sanctimony from it.


Very well said indeed!

How ironic would it be, if a Packer ended Favre's career when they play? Im not wishing that to happen, but would be interesting....

I actually wonder what the reaction in Lambeau would really be if Favre took a Theisman hit from someone on the Packers.

Seriously, if people cheered, it'd make me sick. Then again, I think the majority of fans would probably be silent more than anything. Most Packer fans are respectful and classy people. Seeing Brett Favre get carted off for good IMO, would be an unfortunate ending to what is a larger tragedy in NFL/Packers history.

My feelings exactly heat. No one should ever wish injury to another person/player.

I would however not feel bad at all if BF threw five picks and was pulled out of the game. Not just against the Packers, but any team. And honestly I would say 80% because it was a Viqueens QB and 20% because it was Brett. BF wants to play, and with that comes the good and the bad. I understand the logic of some who say player loyalty is not what it once was. I agree to that for most players, but Brett was with GB 16 years and saw first hand the dedication that Packer fans have towards and NFC North rival. He was not some free agent drafted by GB, put in his three years and then went to another team for the big payday. If I put myself in his shoes I honestly don't know if I could do it after being a Packer fan for 35 years. I just don't think I could. It would just feel wrong.

I am not going to root for Favre to get hurt but I will admit I wont't be upset or cry for him if he does. They say Karma is a *itch and what comes around goes around and I think Favre will end up paying for it in some way before it is all said and done.

Nice post and as others have said, I didn't get a sense of sanctimony from it at all.

But wishing an injury on a player, no matter what team they play for just hits a bit too low. Now, hoping he throw 50 picks, as KC contends.....? I love it!

Woah, time out haha...

I didn't say ANYTHING about poking fun at the situation. A lot of what was being refered to in my post was about wishing injury/hurt/knocked out etc...

Wishing that sort of thing on a player/person is a little out of control. As for your feeling that I find anti-Favre signs out of line...why would I? There's a big difference between booing a player, and wishing for injury on a player.

Terry and Packer Backer NY saw where I was coming from.

As a fan I am upset any time a player goes down. I want to play vs. the best and beat the best. And what does he have to "end up paying for"?

I don't see any need to turn for the Packers since I never stopped looking in their direction.