There was another topic that discussed the Packers taking Vick. I couldn't find it but now that he's available, what would MM do w/ a talent like Vick? I don't think he would fit a team like the Packers. His strength isn't accurate passing but in a roll -out play he would give fits to teams that don't handle contain very good. Hate to say it he would fit better in MN and TN.
Just curious what others think?

If Vick was signed by the Packers, I would cancel my trip to Lambeau later this year, refuse to watch a single game and not buy any Packers merchandise. This would continue until they got rid of him.

I will not watch any game that Vick plays in.

Vick is a bad guy. It's not as if he made a mistake -- he systematically tortured animals over a long period of time. Moreover, I have absolutely no reason to think that he's sorry for anything except getting caught. The NFL is making a major mistake allowing him back into the league.

Vick is a trash and TT would not even think of bringing anyone like him to GB.

I'm pretty much in agreement with Sky. That being said, he's back -- nothing we can do about that now. I wouldn't want the Packers to sign him; even for the veteran's minimum. If he plays somewhere else, turns his life around, proves to be a positive role model and makes good decisions, then hey, more power to him. But I have my severe doubts all that will happen. He is who he is as a person and I'm one that believes that it's rare that people change who they are.

I don't think I would take him as a QB, but how about a kick returner?

Out here in Ninerland where they need a QB, it's been sickening the last several weeks listening to sports radio and hearing fans try to rationalize bringing him in.

"Oh, what he did isn't any worse than hunting."
"Vick's only mistake is not distancing himself from his childhood friends."
"It's just a matter of the culture he grew up in."
"He just made a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes."

Revolting.

Whats bothersome to me is how some people seem to go on personal crusades against others. If you truly believe in God, you will not judge anyone knowing that all men are guilty of one sin or another. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peacefully with all men. Everything is relative to each person and people tend to attack those who tread unto something that means something significant to themselves. There are seven deadly sins and no man on this earth deserves to condemn others unless he be pure himself. Let the hate and envy for others in your heart die, because if ye forgive men their trespasses, you will be forgiven, but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, it is you the judge who will receive judgement. Be grateful that you grew up in an environment that taught you to respect animals, instead of being smug to the fact that just as different people might see birds as expendable, or bug, or spiders, there are going to be those who see dogs, elephants, rhinos, etc as just a prize or property. Until you extend your value of life to all beings, you cant justify defending only the creatures you find important. When you attack the freedom of others, you also attack freedom itself.

Michael Vick is due a second chance....In life and in football.

Michael Vick is one player I would never cheer at Lambeau Field. Ever.

I think the Packers are needing a break from the circus being in town.

I agree with Sky for the most part, but I think there's no reason he shouldn't be allowed a chance to get back in the league. Yes, he is a bad person, and what he did was not a mistake, that's just who he is. I just don't see any justification for denying him a chance to keep playing after he served 23 months in prison and, as far as I know, lost just about everything he had. He's back at square one now. He has one marketable skill, playing football. Just like any other ex-con, I see no way they could legally deny him the ability to make a living doing the thing he does best.

Best case scenario for me is that Goodell reinstates him, just like he has, and his phone doesn't ring once. But I know that won't happen...

Wow, there's a QB that Packer fans hate more than Brett. Legal issues aside Vick just isn't a very desirable aquisition for any team at this point, imo. His stats the last few years are horrible, he's been out of the game for two years, and at this point could only be a stop gap backup. With the baggage, I don't see a team taking a flyer on him.

Best Reason Yet!!!!

A town like Green Bay would tear Vick apart. Literally, like tar and feathers, run out of town on a rail.

Best place for him to land is in a big city where the fans don't keep as close of an eye on the behind the scenes team politics as the natives of Green Bay do.

You may be right about the tar and feathers but doubt he would ever receive a reality check in a city like LA or NY. He could continue to get in trouble as long as he kept it hidden. Not so easy to do in a smaller town.
From a professional stand point, I think MM could mold him into a very solid QB maybe even better then what he was in Atlanta.

I guess that I'm the only one who thinks that the Packers should at least bring him in for a workout and a discussion. Mike McCarthy is an offensive coach who has shown some pretty innovative stuff in the three seasons that he's been here. I think that he could do a number of things with Mike Vick that could help the team have even more success. If he does truly want to make positive changes in his life and get back to being a productive football player then I think that Green Bay should be an attractive option to him. He could come in and get back into football shape while not having the pressure of being "the guy" if he's offered an opportunity to work as a wildcat or slash type of player and position himself into a starting job somewhere in the league in 2010. He can run, throw and catch. I understand that some people are very adamant about not ever supporting him again and that's fine. I'm taking the exact opposite approach. He's served his time. He says that he wants to help others learn from his mistakes. He has an opportunity to do so. I hope he makes the most of it. As long as he knows coming in that he's not being considered for the starting QB job then I think they should at least consider him. I think that Green Bay is exactly the type of place that he could make those changes in his life and being around guys like Aaron Rodgers, Donald Driver, Greg Jennings and Charles Woodson would be very good for him as both a football player and as a person. My biggest concern would be the locker room chemistry suffering as a result of adding him. If it got to be too big of a distraction, I'd either trade him or cut him and move on.

You also have to consider the monetary aspect of it as well. Football is a business. Vick comes with a low cost, high reward value for at least this upcoming season. Although some of you won't want to watch and buy merchandise if he's on the team, Mike Vick will open up a lot of revenue options. He makes every game interesting and valuable for television. He brings in a lot of new packer fans that are hoping for him to succeed. Especially if he ends up being a major contributor at some point. Considering the fact that Brohm and Flynn haven't truly established themselves as a sure-fire #2 QB, and the fact that he could come in and contribute in other areas, I'd seriously consider adding him for at least one year. It won't happen, but I wouldn't be upset if he ended up here. At the very least, I think that he should receive the exact same type of consideration and treatment that Koren Robinson did. I was okay with adding him when we did and I felt that it was a very good situation for him to come into.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but screw that. From where I'm sitting, Vick isn't owed anything other than our disgust at this point -- through his repeated and purposeful actions he has elected to place himself outside of decent society.

You're entitled to your beliefs. You're free to forget and forgive the things he did to those animals and believe that he's owed another chance, but please don't try to tell me that I should do the same.

I mean, it's okay to say "That person did wrong and I don't think they're sorry" or "I won't forgive what that person did and therefore refuse to support him".

Isnt Leonard Little playing in the NFL still? So Vick had something to do with dogfighting, hes not out killing PEOPLE or having people shot in Strip clubs...He went to FEDERAL prison for killing DOGS!!! RIDICULOUS!!!!

I actually think the total opposite. For Vick, Green Bay would be the IDEAL place to land. Sorry, but Green Bay doesn't get the microscope like other markets. Media outlets in the big markets would feed off Vick's every move. But if he comes here, people are going to forget about him a lot quicker, especially if he is brought in strictly as a backup at a skilled position not-quarterback.

If he finds a spot on a roster as a tight end or running back, not as a signal caller, I don't think it's as big a risk.

Answer this question: who has more value on your roster, Tory Humphrey, or Michael Vick. I would say Vick, hands down. Because not only can he run with the ball, he can throw if in needed. He's probably a better quarterback than Brohm right now, arguably.

Personally, I might bring him in to see what kind of shape he's in. I think he deserves a chance to play football again.

If this happens I would gladly take your ticket and cheer on the Packers.... please keep me in mind

I agree with your thoughts. Not too sure I'm proud to live in a part of the nation that would tar and feather and rip him apart and run him out of town, but you're right, they would. I've seen bigotry up up close and personal in rural WI unfortunately. Having said that, as a pet owner, I hope he never plays again.

I don't have an issue with him playing again and I wouldn't mind seeing him in GB. As has been mentioned, he paid a fairly large price for what he did and there are others that have done worse and still play in the NFL. I own dogs, and I think what he did was atrocious. But I also think a second chance is a second chance. You either grant him one or you don't.

What I also find atrocious is that if Vick had gotten drunk and run someone over, the public opinion of him wouldn't have taken nearly the hit it has.

Uh...no. He went to jail for his part in an illegal interstate dog fighting ring.

He's going to HELL for torturing the dogs, and the sooner the better.

Exactly!!

What Vick did was very bad. But I have to agree Leonard Little is trash and I would not feel pity for the man if he got crippled on the field.

Hell eh? tad bit dramatic dont ya think? SInce when is killing dogs a sin that sends you to hell?

I hate what some people see as entertainment. I love my dogs a lot. But there is much questionable "sport" using mostly defenseless animals... dogs, chickens come to mind. However, some players have gone past this and yes, even if you get into an accident and kill someone b/c you are drunk is more deplorable than dog fighting.

I don't think Vick has much in the tank after 2 years away. He was never a great QB, but a good running QB with some passing skills. Even if he was just out of football for 2 years, I would not be interested. But I am only a fan.

Appears to be more than speculation at this point. The pack could indeed sign vick.

http://packerslounge.com/vick-to-the-pack


On the surface Id say no way, but then you look at the Packers backup QB situation, and it makes me wonder.

I would take a look at him, you could also throw some plays in there for him, pitchout options, running in motion.

You could use him like a better Kordell Stewart type of player.

Comes with PR issues though.

I'm suprised GBPG and the JS haven't really even raised this question (to my knowledge). Ted takes the podium in half an hour maybe he'll get the opportunity to squash any speculation.

Does anyone know if Vick simply was financing this operation that his homeboys with no lives were actually the ones doing all the physical labors? Was Vick the one actually gettind down and dirty? Or was he just a means? I really hate to even keep this thread going, but I do think there's a difference. I know it was on his property but that doesn't necessarily mean he was up to his elbows in it.

Ted will be at the podium within the hour, let's see if the topic is asked. Perfect time to squash all the talk if he wants.

Hasn't even made PFT, I'm not going to get worked up yet.

Please God, no.


We saw last year what a ton of distraction can do to a team. I don't want a repeat of that.

Don't know if am for or against the idea, but 2 things that popped into my mind:

- GB is one of the few teams I have not seen a denial that they are interested anywhere, where as about 26 other teams have.
- Koren Robinson was a reclamation project after bad behavior as well, so there is some precedent under TT.

The problem with dog fighting, beyond the actual abuse of the animals, is all the illegal activity that comes with it. Normally there is other forums of organized crime going on - gambling, guns and drugs, for example. And if a person finds watching dogs or roosters rip each other apart entertaining you have to wonder what else they'd find 'entertaining'.

I doubt we'd use a player like Vick as a QB if the team were interested. Vick isn't a good fit for the WCO. I'm not surprised with all of his baggage that he is still unsigned.

This stream isn't working very well for me, but I think Thompson was just asked about Vick (anyone else catch that?).

Thompson's answer: "Let's see, what's the answere we give to questions like that.." Then said he wouldn't speculate.

Really.

tompelissero- "Does not shoot down Michael Vick idea, but won't say whether they've discussed that more than any other available player."

I can see both sides of this:

Could turn into a PR nightmare

What kind of shape is he in? Can he still play?

What do you do with Brohm or Flynn?

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If they guy can play, I dont think it will be too bad in the lockerroom, the guy did his time.

If you work some plays for him, it gives the defense one more thing to worry about.

If Rodgers goes down, (Brohm or Flynn? -- enough said there)

He could bring an advantage in the late season cold games, where running becomes more important, pitch him the ball give him run/ throw options on 3/4 plays a game.


There are pluses and minuses to this. I can see both sides and the reason why you would/wouldnt want him.

The guy served his time. I think they should give him a shot.
Perfect Wildcat guy.
Unlike earlier poster, I believe GB would be perfect place for him. Very hard to hide.
People are very forgiving, except when they get emotional when animals are involved.

honestly, I think I would be a little excited if we signed vick. He would probably be a league minimum type of guy and theres no doubt that the guy has talent. If rodgers ever went down I dont think flynn or brohm could handle the team, plus vick could go in and run some run/pass options a few times a game. Im over worrying about what he did in his personal life, he served his time.. give the guy another shot

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...t-signing-vick/


Well it didn't take PFT long to get the story out.

I still wonder if this guy has more value on the roster as say, a TE. We wouldn't have to worry about parting with Brohm or Flynn. Does anyone think this guy can run a decent route? We know what he can do with the ball in his hands. Blocking would obviously be a concern.

I'm curious what others think about this. I can't see us parting with any of our running backs or qbs for this guy.

Heh. I think Ted Thompson's desire to not give anything up in terms of information is going to bite him in the hind parts on this one. He gave a non answer to every question. This one he should have been more forthcoming on. I'd be very surprised if he considered Vick for a second.

At 6'0" and 215lbs he'd be the smallest TE since the 1950's.

Go Pack!!

Wow, I always thought he was bigger than that...

wow, if TT is considering Vick at all I will become sick. If he doesn't have the balls to say no, then it will be very easy for me not to spend my dollars on the Pack. Can we just get rid of the sideshow we call a GM and move on. We could do better.

Would Vick only be a backup QB, or would he have some wildcat type plays made especially for him? Hard to imagine GB would got through the PR nightmare simply to have him there as insurance, after all the guys is not known as a great passer. If he was used in this way would it result in another win or 2 this season for GB?

Personally I don't even think about bringing him in as just a backup QB. I would think about it if the MM and TT believe he would add a significant dimension to the team, like the Wildcat something. Even then it would be a tough call.

If it could boiled to pick up Vick and win the Super Bowl, or do not pick him up because of his past and do not win the Super Bowl I would take the championship. My reasoning being that in the list of Super Bowl winners there is no asterix next to the Cowboys wins in the 90's that Michael Irvin was a jerk who used drugs, nor to the Pack's win that Eugene Robinson liked prostitutes. Still this is obviously no where near that cut and dry.

Gut feeling is that the move does not make sense, still I believe there are and has been guys a lot worse than Vick in the NFL.

I don't know what the point of this tread is. Michael Vick is currently an UFA and it has pointed out to me on numerous occasions that Thompson doesn't sign any of those, so there is no chance of this happening.

You have GOT to be kidding me. Ted, please don't even think it for a nanosecond. Please.

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