I feel your pain Jared. I feel your pain. An NFL team doesn't revolve around one man. Favre is only proving the Packers right by his extended waffling with Minnesota. Even in an attempt to get back at the Packers he makes himself look like a selfish diva yet makes the Packers look justified in moving on. The Packers went through this year after year and finally had enough. The guy needs to make up his mind. I've never seen another case of a professional athlete waffling year after on retirement and routinely taking so long to make a decision.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/0-12-2...-Minnesota.html

I also read in The Star Tribune that numerous players including superstar Adrian Peterson have been calling and texting Favre in support and encouraging him to join the Vikings.

Oh my, the Vikings are feeling the pain with a (for them, hopefully) adequate QB who is waffling and quibbling, and is getting plenty of press from blogs, unquoted sources, team leaders and the Favre family.
Get used to it. We, as Packers fans, put up with it for a seeming eternity, until his "retirement speech".
Then, we Packers fans had the difficulty of going through this again. But only for a while. Now, it was first a Jets problem, now its a Vikings problem.
Personally, if I were a Vikings fan, I'd be a bit more worried about the Williams' problems than the fate of Favre. The Vikings need a QB who can manage a game and present a credible passing threat. Favre could definitely fill that void.
However, will Favre break down at the end of the season (like he did with the Jets)? Another extremely important factor- would Favre really enjoy playing with the Vikings?
When Favre was a Packer, the joy and enthusiasm were overwhelmingly apparent. Does anyone here really see Favre carrying a Vikings player in a "fireman's carry" after a TD? When I see it, I'll start to believe it. But not really. Favre is a Packer- forever.

The "sources" have said that Favre feels obligated to come play for them with all the players calling him. Says if they had not he would have said no to them by now. Me thinks Favre loves all the attetion and wants the players to keep calling him and begging him to come to stroke his ego some more.

I'd bet money he's delaying to the point where Childress and Co. tell him they want him -- even if he doesn't attend all of training camp.

Something in me thinks that Favre doesn't want to go through the rigors of two-a-days, etc. and just wants to play -- especially in a familiar system.

I wouldn't recommend anyone his age doing that. Good way to throw a back or hip out.

The situation in MN and Green Bay are nothing a like.

In Green Bay the situation was a 15 year starter who had only one losing season unsure about whether he could commit to returning.

In MN the situation is a team that made the playoffs last season have a potential opportunity to acquire a Hall of Fame QB, but have built their football team on the premise Tarvaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels competing for the starting job earlier in the offseason.

If Favre signs the team has a veteran QB at the helm. If he does not, the team goes forward with its original plan. The only Vikings agonizing over Brett's indecisiveness at this point are Tarvaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels. The team will have its answer before training camp on whether they have acquired another QB or not. The rest of the players while excited about the possibility of landing Brett, have not placed their eggs in that basket.

This is a FAR bigger issue to Packer fans who feel jilted than to most Vikings players.

Neither Childress nor Wilf have the integrity to stand up to Favre's bull$h!t. It's simple - remind him that the Vikings are the only team in the league that wants him, if he wants to play then quit the media releases and other nonsense, get into camp and start building some cohesion with your new teammates. Otherwise forget it, we'll win with the QBs already on the roster.

They would NEVER do or say such a thing. And Favre knows that.

I think Favre is lapping up all of this love and attention from MN too. He's getting the love that he didn't get from TT and MM.

I see what you are saying but I think you are dismissing the effect that could happen in the locker room. Childress, Wilf & Bevell have all made it clear that they do not like their current QB's and that they want Favre. They are not just casually chasing Favre, they are putting on the full court press and seem afraid to put any deadlines on him. Now, there are reports that Players have been texting Favre and asking him to play. IMO this could cause a real problem if Favre doesn't go to the Vikings and they have to go back to Tarvaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels. It's not just management looking to replace you, it's the team.

I am just glad it's not our problem this year.

I agree for the most part - esp the part about being glad it is not our problem.

I would add that the crisis in confidence in Tarvaris Jackson and Sage Rosenfels did not begin with the pursuit of Favre and will likely not end with his decision.

It would be more funny if Favre comes back and Jackson and Rosenfels both come out and demand a trade to the media.

With management, I agree, but this is the first time that I think the players have turned on Jackson and Rosenfels. Before this, every player interview I saw had the Vikings rallying around their guys. After the text message thing how do they do that? What do Peterson & Allen say to those guys if Favre isn't a Viking. "You were always my guy, I was just kidding about Favre". If I am a Viking fan, I do worry about what effect this will have in the locker room. We agree - I'm glad it's them.

Do either have the skills the media would want? Maybe ESPN would send Cowturd to Minny for TJoke and Sage

Well - they kind of have to rally around Jackson/Rosenfels if they are all they've got... But if your team if publicly going after a potentially better option...

But I agree - best case scenario - Favre decides to stay retired - and the Minnesota locker room implodes.

If that happened, Favre would go back to HERO status in my book. Completely de-railing them before the season started!

Jay Glazer of Fox Sports believes the Vikings should go after Mike Vick. I would rather play against Brett Favre, then have our defense chasing after a wildcat package the Vikings could use with Vick on the left, Peterson or Harvin back there, and Jackson on the right. I don't think the Vikings would be very consistent, but it would take some serious game planning to figure out what to do when a team could open up the entire field. They could ended up with a ton of big plays, but luckily I don't think their team has the character to ever realize their potential no matter who is under center.

Probably crazy and not much chance of being true but what is the possibility that MN management asked the vet players to text and call Favre? Just throwing it out there.

Not crazy at all, I thought that is a possibility too.

I like Jared Allen a lot. He's a hard core football player. He knows it's a team game. He's all about commitment to the team. The Vikings gave up a lot, but he was everything they hoped he'd be. I did not think that would work out so well.

I think that's very possible. The book on Favre is that he needs his ego stroked in this way. It's possible too they came up with it on their own. Like I said earlier, they did their homework.

In the unlikely event that Favre does choose to walk away, I think Jared Allen and the boys will play the "the media is making things up again" card.

But which of those can throw the ball?

No kidding! Perhaps Brett's actually getting paid his 2M/year already and completely disrupting the Vikings was his first assignment.



With any sane team, I'd think just the opposite - why encourage your players to divide themselves on whom they support at any position (openly) on the team? But with the Vikings, they probably dreamt this up on their party boat while passing out complimentary whizzonators.

Exactly! Well put Bruce.

That is actually the worst description of Favre I have seen. Seems like you just made this up.

I would say he is a competitor who just doesn't want to stop playing.

Worse description? You have seen how Favre has acted the last couple years. You can tell me you don't think he has a huge ego?

You really don't see it, eh? To me it's fairly obvious, but others may see it differently, I suppose.

Yep! Just a guy that wants to play and doesn't know when to quit...or want to quit. He doesn't need his ego stroked at all.

No.

Like I said, it sounds like you just made it up.

I think he does a little and for that matter most professional athletes do. Favres problem is that he is struggling with the idea of life after football. He wants to compete and win and yes stick it to Ted. Not one of us on this board unless we played at a high professional level know what it is like to walk away from something that you have for that long a period of time and gained the level of success that he has. Many athletes have faced this same problem and some handle it better than others. What gets so frustrating on this board is how many feel they are Dr. Fraizer Crane and can bash Favre for what not only is happening this year but in past years with out even having a real idea what is going on in his mind. Should he waffle less, sure but it is what it is and to some extent its the media fault for driving this circus wagon.

Me thinks you need a spelling lesson not to mention grammar

So what if he does! If your alter ego becomes half the QB Favre is he will have one too, if he doesn't he would be worthless as a leader. Change that AR had better have an ego right now and a big one. You mix up cockiness and meanness and total self serving at the expense of others with ego. Those three things, I just mentioned do not come close to describing Favre.

did not know you where the spelling police. Also there is a difference between a little cocky like Rodgers who thinks he is the man because you want that in your starting QB and what Favre does. aka private dressing room, going out to the media and trying to play the packers as the bad guys pretty much acting like he has the right to do what every he wants because of what he has done.

4 pages later...still dont care

Yes, Officer 66

You keep 'gouging' people and you're going to be sitting on the side!!

just a thought , but the Favre thread really has no room for enjoyable debate maybe it's time to pull the plug on it?

Nearly 11,000 replies on Favre topics since the format change. Espn and all other venues are flooded by discussion on whether it's news worthy. The biggest name in sports, for a little while at least, how can we not discuss it? I also tire of it, but it's nationwide, and it is on a sub forum far away from current Packer talk.

I agree with you and that is a well thought out post. I just disagree that Favre needs his ego stroked any more or less than any other pro football player. The problem with posts, like the one Jeremy made, is that it is nothing but a petty bash with no truth behind it.

Like Favre or not, he was a great player for the Packers and he is a legend of the game. Ranking among the greatest to ever play. I am not happy to see him in purple, but we went another direction and it looks like Favre wants to still play. So be it. The premisis of this thread is ridiculous. The Vikings really don't care when he makes up his mind, as long as he doesn't miss any training camp. They have repeated that time and again but some just don't seem to get it.