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jpackman
QUOTE (jpackman @ Feb 11 2009, 02:25 PM) *
In light of the recent comments and the resentment Mr. Favre has continually shown the Packer Organization over the last year, I would like to see a petition to the Packer Front office and Mr. Mark Murphy to go before the Packer Executive Board and remove this Offer from the Table. It is my understandings as this all played out last year that the Packers would always have this option open to Brett when he retires.

In my opinion he has disrespected this organization and the fans, by continually taking shots whenever and wherever he can. Whether it is deserved or not by Ted Thompson, this is still the Packer Organization and the Packer Team and Packer Fans, we all stand as one. I am not a Ted fan, Not a McCarthy Fan, not a Favre Fan, I AM and ALWAYS WILL BE A PACKER FAN.

In my Opinion, this should not be solely decided upon by Mark Murphy or the Executive Board, it should be brought before the stockholders and allow them to hear this in its entirety, with the economic situation the country is in, there is no way an organization should allow this to happen especially with someone as malcontent as Mr. Favre has been over the last year. There is no other company or organization that would allow this. These types of comments that he has stated from his interview with Greta Van Sustren to now would not be tolerated by any organization and still allow that person to receive a retirement package of 25 Million. They would more than likely be under a breach of some type of agreement between the company and the individual.

I know many on this board here still Love Favre and he can do no wrong, and please understand I loved him to, but through all this the respect and admiration has resolved to see Brett as a bitter and resentful person. His bitterness albeit, is against Ted, but that still reflects the Packer Organization? This has made me surmise that even though what Brett accomplished on the Field was great and we all appreciated the wins and the guile in which he played was great and fun to watch, this type of display of bitterness and comments from him and his family over the year tend to dampen these thoughts and memories and admiration I once had for him. And as we all know the Packers paid him handsomely for his services.

If Mr. Favre truly has no regrets on coming back to play and playing and retiring for the Jets, I say as one Packer fan , then Thanks Brett for the memories, and please allow the Jet organization to provide that wonderful retirement and marketing package that was presented to the Packers last year.


I posted this back in Feb ...Got a bit slammed for it by being so Bitter and Resentful...And to that point I am not Bitter or resentful against Brett...Just what I feel he is doing to the Packer Org and Fan base... As in all the years I never really saw a divide in the Fan base as much as the last 2 years...And I can think of better things for the Org to do with 25 Mil....

And to the Quote above of me stating the Jets...Can change that to Vikings....when he comes back and once again retires....

Some of the things have changed since then...But the Revenge Factor and such is evident in him becoming a Viqueen ( I know it is not a done deal ) But I for one believ it is....JMO


But My Question is:

So should the Packers take the 25 Mil off the Table.....?

Just soliciting Opinions on the 25 Mil Offer not on my statements....
Packer Backer NY
QUOTE (jpackman @ Jun 24 2009, 12:46 PM) *
But My Question is:

So should the Packers take the 25 Mil off the Table.....?


No.
Jeremy
I'd be pretty surprised if that still comes to fruition. Favre obviously isn't nearly as popular as he was when that offer was made. I can't see how they could justify spending that on him anymore. It will take all their marketing savvy just to get fans to the point where they can get Favre's name on the wall of fame and/or have his jersey retired.

Packfan_Euro_Trash
Strictly from an investment standpoint, I think I'd have to say yes. I have heard the time heals all wounds argument, still even then he will not be the loved player he once was. I was never really a huge BF fan but of course loved that the team won with him. I am certain that if I go to some fan fest 10 years from now and BF was there I will be just as indifferent to him as I am now. If he had retired last year, it would be a different story. I just don't think it will be worth the money.
Packergeist
QUOTE (jpackman @ Jun 24 2009, 11:46 AM) *
But My Question is:

So should the Packers take the 25 Mil off the Table.....?

Well, it's a business deal. So if it no longer benefits the Packers, then yes. If they
feel this deal is still viable and will benefit them, no.

Personally, if the Packers can make a few bucks trotting him around the country, have at it. Obviously,
though, he's no longer the face of the team, so I don't know what value it would have now.

66_Ray
QUOTE (Packergeist @ Jun 24 2009, 12:21 PM) *
Well, it's a business deal. So if it no longer benefits the Packers, then yes. If they
feel this deal is still viable and will benefit them, no.

Personally, if the Packers can make a few bucks trotting him around the country, have at it. Obviously,
though, he's no longer the face of the team, so I don't know what value it would have now.


It has value from a national stand point even more so if he stays in retirement and plays with no other teams. It would go down and even rescinded if he plays for a rival. Whatever makes the most bussiness sense to Murphy, I'm ok with.
Be_Here_Now
assuming he comes back with MN, the pack should pull the offer and wait awhile. five to ten years from now, packer fans will have settled down about this fiasco, Favre's price tag will be lower, and his national and regional appeal will probably be higher.

as far as i can tell, it isn't a standing offer anyway. Favre rejected it last offseason.
WB PackerFan
As mad as heck as I am with Favre I would not rescind the offer. Brett could become a great ambassador to the Packer franchise in the future. I will say this however, if the Packers feel that Brett will remain bitter to the organization and city that endured him then as last resort I would pull the offer off the table
The GM
QUOTE (jpackman @ Jun 24 2009, 09:46 AM) *
I posted this back in Feb ...Got a bit slammed for it by being so Bitter and Resentful...And to that point I am not Bitter or resentful against Brett...Just what I feel he is doing to the Packer Org and Fan base... As in all the years I never really saw a divide in the Fan base as much as the last 2 years...And I can think of better things for the Org to do with 25 Mil....

And to the Quote above of me stating the Jets...Can change that to Vikings....when he comes back and once again retires....

Some of the things have changed since then...But the Revenge Factor and such is evident in him becoming a Viqueen ( I know it is not a done deal ) But I for one believ it is....JMO


But My Question is:

So should the Packers take the 25 Mil off the Table.....?

Just soliciting Opinions on the 25 Mil Offer not on my statements....


I dont buy the revenge factor thing. It may be a very small part (5%) of his comeback. He wants a Super Bowl, and I believe if this same setup was in any other city he would have taken it as well. It just so happens its Minnesota. The guy is a football player and Minnesota is a perfect setup for him, why not go for it.

What is Favre trying to prove to the Packers? That he's better for the future than Rodgers?, that they made a mistake in trading him while he led the NFL in interceptions? The Packers made the right decision, and even if Favre beats the Packers twice, that isnt going to change. Rodgers is a future star in this league.

As for the offer, Id pull it until he's done playing for sure. I still think there will be a market for him after he retires.
His legacy is tarnished now, but after he is gone a few years, I think he will draw people in Green Bay again, and if the Packers can cash in on it, they should.
Heatseeker
Two reasons why this is a bad idea --


First, the Packer Pro Shop, according to ProFootballTalk.com and Fox 11 News, the Packers Pro Shop, since Favre's departure has taken a significant hit:

QUOTE
"One of the biggest hits has been a $5 million dip in local revenue, attributed largely to slowing sales at the Packers Pro Shop. Murphy said there is no way to estimate the financial impact of last year's Brett Favre saga."


Now granted, Favre's popularity has no doubt taken perhaps an equal, if not more substantial hit. However, that brings me to my second point......

The NFL is a business. And the Packers' business - in strictly a business sense, is to make money. And how can they do that? Well, this is where their PR department will have to earn their keep. Favre's presence, despite how polarizing it can be, is still salvageable from a marketing perspective. He still attracts attention and there is still a solid market for Favre merchandise and memorabilia. And with some good ol' fashioned PR spin, their PR department should be able to capitalize on that even more once Favre is retired for good.
jpackman
QUOTE (The GM @ Jun 24 2009, 02:19 PM) *
I dont by the revenge factor thing. It may be a very small part (5%) of his comeback. He wants a Super Bowl, and I believe if this same setup was in any other city he would have taken it as well. It just so happens its Minnesota. The guy is a football player and Minnesota is a perfect setup for him, why not go for it.


Sorry GM..I have to disagree , before his arm went bad the Jets had the Making of doing some serious damge in the AFC playoffs , and if it was all about Football he could have had anything he wanted in NY... he had a good Running Team , good receivers..and now a good Defenseive Coach..We have seen less teams do this with a lesser talented QB...I truly wish this was the case in My opinion...


QUOTE (The GM @ Jun 24 2009, 02:19 PM) *
What is Favre trying to prove to the Packers? That he's better for the future than Rodgers?, that they made a mistake in trading him while he led the NFL in interceptions? The Packers made the right decision, and even if Favre beats the Packers twice, that isnt going to change. Rodgers is a future star in this league.


On this one above , I would agree with the points on what he is trying to prove, I dont think it is just him though... Bus, Family and stuff ..JMO from the Leaks and the statements made...It is about proving TT was wrong not to take him back..And yes I do Believe Rodgers is the Future and a star that will come out once the shadow is gone...

QUOTE (The GM @ Jun 24 2009, 02:19 PM) *
As for the offer, Id pull it until he's done playing for sure. I still think there will be a market for him after he retires.
His legacy is tarnished now, but after he is gone a few years, I think he will draw people in Green Bay again, and if the Packers can cash in on it, they should.


In this I understand the Offer and being about Business and the market , but at the same time, there should be some serious clauses with regards to statements he makes in public... As we have seen in the last year or two how damaging those can be ..By Either side....Because this could turn negative as well..and I for one dont want to see the Packers send out that kind of money and get nothing in return, or to be crapped on...JMO..And Yes I still do not think it would wise at this time and this may be somethng they look at down the road...But should be skeptical on it....
Jeremy
QUOTE (Heatseeker @ Jun 24 2009, 11:21 AM) *
Two reasons why this is a bad idea --


First, the Packer Pro Shop, according to ProFootballTalk.com and Fox 11 News, the Packers Pro Shop, since Favre's departure has taken a significant hit:



Now granted, Favre's popularity has no doubt taken perhaps an equal, if not more substantial hit. However, that brings me to my second point......

The NFL is a business. And the Packers' business - in strictly a business sense, is to make money. And how can they do that? Well, this is where their PR department will have to earn their keep. Favre's presence, despite how polarizing it can be, is still salvageable from a marketing perspective. He still attracts attention and there is still a solid market for Favre merchandise and memorabilia. And with some good ol' fashioned PR spin, their PR department should be able to capitalize on that even more once Favre is retired for good.


They'll have to be really good. It's going to get worse before it gets better. When he actually runs out there wearing purple, it's going to fire up emotions even more. Time will cool some of it, maybe most of it, but probably not all of it. And when Favre gets booed at Lambaeu, expect more bitterness from Favre as well.

I don't know. There's not a whole lot of precident for this kind of thing. A lot of great athletes have spent most of their career with one team, then played their last season or two for someone else, but most of them had enough grace not to go to that team's most hated divisional rival.

The Packers management will have to consider this one pretty carefully.

rpiotr01
I'd rather spend that 25 mil on an extension for Justin Harrell than give it to Brett Favre.

He should just be grateful they put his name in the ring of honor and retire his number. That is the proper way to honor his contributions to the team and the org. Leave it at something purely football related.

As for the drop off at the pro shop - go to their website and you'll see that you can still buy all the Favre crap you want. An active player on the team can make a difference; a retired player who goes up once a year maybe for a photo op, I have my doubts. After all this stuff, I don't think Favre is going to help them move much product. Winning will go a long way, though. And so will a rebound in the economy.
Packer Backer NY
QUOTE (rpiotr01 @ Jun 24 2009, 03:00 PM) *
I'd rather spend that 25 mil on an extension for Justin Harrell than give it to Brett Favre.

He should just be grateful they put his name in the ring of honor and retire his number. That is the proper way to honor his contributions to the team and the org. Leave it at something purely football related.

As for the drop off at the pro shop - go to their website and you'll see that you can still buy all the Favre crap you want. An active player on the team can make a difference; a retired player who goes up once a year maybe for a photo op, I have my doubts. After all this stuff, I don't think Favre is going to help them move much product. Winning will go a long way, though. And so will a rebound in the economy.


Really?? The Jets and Favre made a boat load of cash off of the sale of jersey's in New York. Maybe Minnesota is a smaller market with a smaller fan base but they will sell jersey's. Especially if they really start winning.
rpiotr01
QUOTE (Packer Backer NY @ Jun 24 2009, 03:35 PM) *
Really?? The Jets and Favre made a boat load of cash off of the sale of jersey's in New York. Maybe Minnesota is a smaller market with a smaller fan base but they will sell jersey's. Especially if they really start winning.



In Minny I'm sure they'll sell a ton of stuff as long as he's with them. That's not my point.

My point is about the Packers. Even last year you could buy Favre jerseys etc from the pro shop. You can go online right now and get whatever size you want and whatever color you want. Favre hats, books, bobbleheads - it's all there. The point is that now that he's no longer an active player for the team he's not going to move as much product for them (the Packers). And that includes if they pay him to keep him around as a spokesman for the team, or whatever they were going to do. I don't see the great financial bonus to the team to pay him millions of dollars to keep himself associated with them. I don't see how they recoup that money. The only reason to do something like that is largely symbolic, but playing for the Vikings flushes that symbolic stuff down the crapper.
Packer Backer NY
QUOTE (rpiotr01 @ Jun 24 2009, 03:42 PM) *
In Minny I'm sure they'll sell a ton of stuff as long as he's with them. That's not my point.

My point is about the Packers. Even last year you could buy Favre jerseys etc from the pro shop. You can go online right now and get whatever size you want and whatever color you want. Favre hats, books, bobbleheads - it's all there. The point is that now that he's no longer an active player for the team he's not going to move as much product for them (the Packers). And that includes if they pay him to keep him around as a spokesman for the team, or whatever they were going to do. I don't see the great financial bonus to the team to pay him millions of dollars to keep himself associated with them. I don't see how they recoup that money. The only reason to do something like that is largely symbolic, but playing for the Vikings flushes that symbolic stuff down the crapper.


I see what you are saying and I agree with you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I think as time passes, Favre will be more remembered for his accomplishments on the field and not for what is happening now. In fact, none of this bothers me if he plays for the Vikings or any other team.

Favre can sell a lot of stuff by just showing up and offering autographs. Jersey's, T-shirts, posters, DVD's, helmets, <you name it> I think you may underestimate the power of a HOF QB like Brett.

I have always believed that it is the players that make an organization great, not the other way around. Keeping and paying your retired Hall of Famer's helps keep the glory years and the memories alive.

Bart Starr still has a throw back "nostalgic"T-shirt for sale. I bought two of them last year. One favre gets one, will probably buy that as well.

The GM
[quote name='jpackman' date='Jun 24 2009, 11:47 AM' post='254211']
Sorry GM..I have to disagree , before his arm went bad the Jets had the Making of doing some serious damge in the AFC playoffs , and if it was all about Football he could have had anything he wanted in NY... he had a good Running Team , good receivers..and now a good Defenseive Coach..We have seen less teams do this with a lesser talented QB...I truly wish this was the case in My opinion...

Jpack, Even though they were successful to a point, I dont think he felt comfortable in that offense Minnesota IS his offense and one he feels comfortable with.


On this one above , I would agree with the points on what he is trying to prove, I dont think it is just him though... Bus, Family and stuff ..JMO from the Leaks and the statements made...It is about proving TT was wrong not to take him back..And yes I do Believe Rodgers is the Future and a star that will come out once the shadow is gone...

Even if Favre wins the Super Bowl, it still wouldnt make TT wrong. We watched him for 10 years throw chance after chance away. I make that same decision 99 out of 100 times. He may win it with Minnesota (doubtful but he might) but he didnt do in GB for 10 years. I expect a long honeymoon phase for Favre in Minnesota, but come December/Jan, he'll break the Vikings heart which is a good thing.
jpackman
QUOTE (The GM @ Jun 24 2009, 07:11 PM) *
Even if Favre wins the Super Bowl, it still wouldnt make TT wrong. We watched him for 10 years throw chance after chance away. I make that same decision 99 out of 100 times. He may win it with Minnesota (doubtful but he might) but he didnt do in GB for 10 years. I expect a long honeymoon phase for Favre in Minnesota, but come December/Jan, he'll break the Vikings heart which is a good thing.


GM- very Valid Point, and I must state I agree... I loved those 10 years...But must say it would have been nice to get at least another championship along the way...
GBP4EVER
I question even in 10 years if the Packers can get 25 million out of Favre just under a marketing deal. Thats 2.5 million every year in just his sales I question if the Packers can sell that much stuff of his still since over the last 16 years many people already own a lot of his stuff.
JimATX
QUOTE (Packer Backer NY @ Jun 24 2009, 11:51 AM) *
QUOTE (jpackman @ Jun 24 2009, 11:46 AM) *

So should the Packers take the 25 Mil off the Table.....?

Just soliciting Opinions on the 25 Mil Offer not on my statements....


No.

It currently is off the table, as it should be. Favre playing for the Jets is one thing, Favre playing for the Vikes to get back at the organization hurts his marketing strength as a former Packer. How many G&G #4 jersey's and such will they sell with people remembering Favre in purple.

KC Pack Fan
This should be strictly an economic business decision and should have no emotions involved.

Bottom line:
Will investing $25 on X bring in more than $25 in revenue? X could be anything or anyone. $25 or $25 million should not matter.
The GM
QUOTE (Packer Backer NY @ Jun 24 2009, 12:56 PM) *
Favre can sell a lot of stuff by just showing up and offering autographs. Jersey's, T-shirts, posters, DVD's, helmets, <you name it> I think you may underestimate the power of a HOF QB like Brett.

I have always believed that it is the players that make an organization great, not the other way around. Keeping and paying your retired Hall of Famer's helps keep the glory years and the memories alive.

Bart Starr still has a throw back "nostalgic"T-shirt for sale. I bought two of them last year. One favre gets one, will probably buy that as well.

Agree, We are going through something very similar in Seattle. Ken Griffey Jr ( the greatest clean ballplayer of our generation) left Seattle in 1999, after putting Seattle baseball on the map, said some unflattering things to say about Seattle, and was public enemy #1 before AROD took over that mantle in Seattle. Today, Griffey has returned to Seattle is batting a measly .210, and gets a thunderous standing O every time he comes to the plate. As a ballplayer today, hes got two feet in the grave, but people still remember what he brought to the Mariners in the 90's. They dont care how good he does, he's an icon here. Soon Favre will retire and 5-10 years down the road, he will have that same appeal. People want to hold onto their heroes, and all this stuff thats been happening the past year wont matter in a few years.
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