Jeremy Jarmon DE Kentucky 6'2 285
Corey Surrency WR FSU 6'5 220
Joe McMahon OG Central Michigan 6'3 290

I know nothing about the three. Ar e any worth a late round selection in the 2010 draft. Usually people in the supplemental draft are ineligible for the upcoming school year. Or there are some other issues going on.

any thoughts. Just something to pass the time in this awfull dead season.

Jeremy Jarmon DE Kentucky 6'2 285
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4201247

"... Kentucky defensive end Jeremy Jarmon has been ruled ineligible for his senior season by the NCAA because of a failed drug test."

Corey Surrency WR FSU 6'5 220

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4180573

"The NCAA has denied Florida State Seminoles receiver Corey Surrency's appeal for another year of eligibility"

"There were high expectations for Surrency last year, but he had a rather quiet season with 12 catches for 237 yards and four touchdowns. He played in 11 games and started two.

Surrency was suspended for the Georgia Tech game for a violation of team rules, and he was also one of five players suspended for the Boston College game because of his involvement in a fight outside of the student union."

Joe McMahon OG Central Michigan 6'3 290

http://blog.mlive.com/fireupchips/2009/06/...ded_to_nfl.html

"Academic struggles forced him to leave the program."

Plus the Packers have three other players on the team from that school all undrafted free agents:

Cullen Jenkins 2003

Tory Humphrey 2005

Andrew Hartline 2009

I doubt the Packers draft any of them.

DE Jarmon has the size to fit in the 3-4. chance of drafting him is low, but with a 6th might be worth a shot

Thats what I was thinking, a 7th wouldn't hurt, but honestly I doubt we go for any of them. I still think we need depth at DE but signing a veteran would probably be a better move.

If Jolley is screwed, does Jarmon become more of a possibility?

Depends what you mean by screwed. I can't fathom Jolly being out for more than 2-4 games IF he is convicted.

In that event I expect Green Bay to just activate Wynn instead of Jolly and bring some dude up from the practice squad during Jolly's absence.

For the life of me I just can't see Jolly being out an insanely long amount of time.

Well, he is facing the potential of a long jail or prison sentence. Much longer than his suspension would be.

That's true. Hopefully he isn't convicted and then all this becomes a non-issue.

Any thought on the DB? We might need a safety.

I would love to see us get Jarmon in todays draft. I think he would be a nice piece to add to our DE rotation.

Copied from PFT:
"Redskins select Jarmon in supplemental draftPosted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 16, 2009 1:49 PM ETThe Redskins bolstered their defensive line depth Thursday, selecting Kentucky defensive end Jeremy Jarmon in the third round of the supplemental draft.

Washington, never known to hold on to future picks too tightly, will give up their 2010 third round pick for the right to select Jarmon.

Jarmon would have been a senior, but was suspended for testing positive for a banned substance. He has ideal pro size and could be a good run stopper."

Jarmon was a nice prospect, but a 3rd round pick was too early for him IMO. The only supplemental pick in recent years that still bugs me is not using a 4th or 5th round pick on Jared Gaither back in 2007. He was a physical freak, who's been starting since his rookie year and could eventually develop into one of the top OTs in the game. That was an opportunity missed. Especially with all the other picks that TT has thrown at the OL position since 2005. We haven't had a guy like Gaither who has incredible size and athleticism. Imagine him at LT in a zone blocking scheme. . . scary.

Also, Surrency, McMahon and Murphy are all decent options as UDFA prospects. Wouldn't complain if any of them were brought in.

I will never understand why TT did not take Gaither. That was just plain stupid.

ANd you know, I would have given up a third for Jarmon. Just because we are so weak at that spot. I mean what do we have at DE? Outside of Jenkins, not much.

The role of a 3-4 DE is NOT to knife-through blockers to get to the QB, it is to tie-up blockers. The LB's are the "stat guys" in this D... they are the penetrators and sackers. IF the 3 DL's collapse the pocket, that is great - but it requires bull-rushing and moving 2 OL's, which isn't easy to do AND get the sack.

'09 DE's: Raji (when not inside), Harrell, Jolly, Malone (All over 312 lbs.), Jenkins (305lbs), and then some "small guys": Montgomery (273), Wynn (277) and Muhtadi (295).

That looks, to me, like a pretty formidable group... of which probably 5 or 6 will make it (Raji, Jolly, Jenkins and Harrell can also slide inside to NT in some packages).

About Gaither: He was taken in the 5th round by Baltimore... at the time did TT think he was worthy of a 5th rounder? In the 2008 draft TT took Sitton in the 4th and Giacomini in the 5th. Neither were forced into duty, as Gaither was. It remains to be seen if either or both will be as good or better than Gaither in the long run.

"During two tumultuous seasons at Maryland, Gaither showed flashes of his potential to become one of college football's top tackles. From both tackle spots, he bullied pass rushers with his 6-foot-9, 324-pound frame and showed impressive speed for his size. Gaither's contributions, however, were mitigated by off-field problems. He was suspended for two weeks during preseason practice last year because of disciplinary reasons and missed the 2006 season opener."

I agree fully with your first statement, that DE's are not stat positions in a 3-4. I disagree wholeheartedly with the notion that our current crop is "formidable", especially assuming that Raji's future is inside at NT. That said, I think Jarmon was selected a bit too high in round 3, and I agree with the decision not to use that high of a selection on him. I'm not even convinced he could play DE in a 3-4. He's a little light and a little short for my taste.

1. You must be joking right? That is a formidable group? What is formidable about it?

2. Gaither was a steal. The year he came out, I thought he was actually worth a number three. It is very rare to find a LT who is that big and that athletic. He may have had some disciplinary problems, but those are things you do your homework on. And if they are not real serious, and if the upside is there, you take the kid. So far, Gaither has been fine. This was a mistake on TT's part. Plain and simple.

#1. Gaither was a steal and could end up being one of the best tackles in football. When he entered the supplemental draft I was praying that the Packers would select him. He did in fact have some off the field problems, but I believed that they were being blown out of proportion. I felt that they stemmed from him not connecting with the Maryland coaching staff that well. It was more of a maturity issue in my mind. His physical abilities were amazing and I felt that being as young as he was, he was only scratching the surface of his potential. If he would have been in the regular 2007 draft I think that he would have worked out better and would have been a 2nd or 3rd round pick. I thought that he'd be an ideal LT to develop for a zone-blocking team and suggested that the team use a 4th round pick on him. He could have backed up Clifton for a few years and walked into the job in 2010. It really wasn't that high of a price to pay for a potential stud LT prospect (which was and still is a HUGE need for this team). Sitton and Giocommini may still end up being very good players for this team, but I would have taken him. JMO.

#2. Jarmon is a bit undersized to be a 3-4 DE. In my opinion, if you have a solid grade on a player you almost always use a lower pick in the supplemental draft because most teams have already filled their roster and aren't willing to use a future pick to add the guy. I had Gaither rated as a 2nd or 3rd round talent and would have used my 4th round pick to get him. I had Jarmon rated as a 3rd or 4th round talent and thus would have only offered our 5th round pick to get him. He would have been a valuable backup, but I don't think that his size would have allowed him to develop into a starter for this team. IMO third round picks should be used on guys you think will start. The Redskins gave up too much and he was a bad fit for the Packers. They made the right move by passing on him.

#3. I think that the Packers defensive line is going to shock some people this season. B. J. Raji is going to start from day one and make an impact at both DE and NT. Ryan Pickett is only 29 and still playing strong. Guys like Pat Williams, Ted Washington, Grady Jackson and Keith Traylor all played well into their 30s and I don't see why Ryan Pickett can't do so as well. I think that he'll be our starting NT for a few years and then Raji will move into the middle full time. Jenkins will be back, and although he's a bit short, he has the needed bulk, strength and speed to stop the run and rush the passer from that spot. Think of him as a better version of Brett Keisel (Steelers) and I think you can peg his value for this team. Jolly was a man-among-boys in 2007 before he hurt his shoulder and spent last year trying to recover and dealing with his off the field issues. While his legal issues are not completely behind him, things do look a lot better for his prospects of focusing on football this season if he can stay healthy. I think that he might end up surprising a LOT of people as a 3-4 DE. Can you imagine the run stuffing potential of Raji, Pickett and Jolly on the field at the same time? Damn. That's some real beef. Justin Harrell needs to be healthy and on the field consistently. I wasn't a fan of the pick, but I will say that I have been impressed with him when he plays and I am cautiously optimistic that he will develop into a regular contributor. Montgomery is undersized, but has heart and is a hard worker. He never gives up. That's good to have in a rotation. Wynn might develop, but I'm taking a wait and see approach with him. The guy that I think might also surprise is Alfred Malone. He got valuable experience last year, has made an impression on the coaching staff and has ideal size for a 3-4 defensive end. He might just make the squad as a backup somewhere. I think that there will be some change and turnover on the d-line over the next three years, but I think that there's more than enough talent to work with right off the bat.