BREAKING NEWS!!!!

The Greatest Packer QB confirmed that he has NO PLANS to UNRETIRE!!!!

It has been confirmed by reliable sources the QB who led the NFL in passer rating five times, has the best postseason passer in NFL history (104.8 playoff passer rating and 1.41 percent interception rate)... WILL REMAIN RETIRED!!!

In other news, unnamed sources have confirmed that another Southern raised QB (the one from Mississippi) also is still retired.

Bus Cook is still denying EVERYTHING.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...re-update_N.htm


Either there really is nothing or Bus thinks we are all very very very stupid.

Bruce, this isn't the Bart Star forum.

That particular Green Bay QB would never conduct himself in such a manner as the man to whom this subforum is dedicated.

Problem is Bruce you can't believe anything you hear regarding Brett, even if he himself said it.

Yeah, unfortunately anymore we cannot believe a word that Favre says. Even when he stands at the podium in Canton, we may be questioning anything he says. Too bad too. I used to really like the guy. Dont know if I will ever be able to respect and admire him again.

Unfortunately, Bruces humor seems lost on many people. Good one Bruce.

I was going along with it till I read that.

Gee...I wonder why. Maybe it's because this Packer fan, like so many others, is so sick of the Favre topic that I could puke.

If there's any winner in this Brett Favre fiasco, it's Bart Starr. How much greater he seems since Favre has let us down.

Bart Starr has always been number one in my book. Game was different then. QB calling his own plays. Anabolic steroids hadn't been invented. Facemasks with one bar. Bart Starr was a leader, a winner, and appreciated the fans.

AND, Bart Starr was a straight shooter!

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The Greatest Packer QB played for Alabama, had a 90% playoff winning percentage, won 5 NFL Championships (1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967) and was the Super Bowl MVP in both of his appearances.

The guy sitting in Mississippi was a great QB, a better athlete and a sure fire 1st Ballot Hall of Famer...



but the GREATEST QB in Packer history remains Bart Starr, and he has no intention of coming out of retirement -- ask his son-in-law Larry.

Amen, Roll Tide!

Bart Starr is class through and through.

The other guy? Maybe he ought to go into politics, because he has flip-flopping down pat.

I'm not angry with Brett. While I am weary of the indecisiveness, I understand the difficulty of his decision and his desire to play as long as possible. What I am fed up with is the endless babbling of talking heads who have no idea what it is to have the talent to make the call on retirement - all most all are forced into retirement by injury or loss of skills.

Athletically Favre is a freak of nature.

Bart is a class guy, who was a GREAT leader and quarterback with the championships to back it up.

Excellent post Bruce...I agree completely.

Bart Starr is a great icon in Packer history. So is Brett Favre.

I'm too young to remember. Was Bart Starr ever persona non grata in GB, at least for a little while? I know he had a rough patch with the media, but was there ever animosity between he and the franchise?

I became a Packer fan about the same time Bart was head coach. There were rocky times as there always is when a team is losing. I honestly don't remeber any specifics as I was just a kid back then.

I can't answer your question, because I wasn't around much then. I tend to doubt it. I do remember that I was visiting my parents when the decision was made that Bart would be the HC. I clearly remember my father commenting that it was a mistake.

Of course, it wasn't a mistake at all. Bart wanted to give it a shot and one can certainly find no fault in that. My father's comment was aimed only at what he was risking in terms of his 'hero' status. It wasn't a take that would have occurred to me back then - simply that in terms of reputation, he had nothing to gain and everything to lose. Obviously we (my father and I) both knew that there's much more to life than reputation, but I knew what he meant.

I find it fascinating how some people cannot integrate both realities.

Bart Starr was a great leader of men and it translated well to his leadership as a QB of his team on the football field.

When he attempted to take those same leadership skills to coaching he was somewhat naive about the many changes that were involved in such a transition. In fact, just about the time he started to grow into the position and establish himself as a Coach he was let go and the even more disasterous Forrest Gregg experiment began.

But regardless of his struggles as a coach and front office guy, Bart Starr the football player was one of the great QB of all time (like I said before his 5 NFL Championship rings are proof enough IMO) and nothing can erase that reality.

Likewise, Brett Favre was a GREAT sure fire HOF QB who led Green Bay out of the wilderness as a football player. For this I will always be grateful.

What ever Brett does or does not do from this point forward cannot unring the bell that has been rung. His greatness does not disappear because he is indecisive or flawed in his conflict with Ted Thompson.

For the life of me, I do not understand the angst about whether or not he stays retired.

It is simple in my book:

1. Brett retired from the Packers;
2. Brett changed his mind about that retirement;
3. TT and MM told Brett it was too late that they had moved on;
4. Brett forced a trade to the Jets, which got value on a guy who was done as a Packer anyway;
5. Brett retired from the Jets;
6. Brett asked for and got his release from the Jets;
7. For the first time in his NFL career Brett Favre is a unrestricted free agent, free to sign and play for any team he desires if they return the desire.
8. Brett is still indecisive and torn about whether to play or not...

How does any of that have to do with Brett Favre the GREAT eX Packer QB?

My recollections from that era were that Bart Starr the successful player was fully welcomed as Bart Starr the successful coach. After 9 seasons with just 2 winners (8-7-1 and the strike shortened 5-3-1 seasons), people had had enough and he was ushered out of town in favor of then successful coach Forrest Gregg (who had been successful at Cincy) who would bring the team discipline seen lacking under Starr's leadership.

Bart's reputation was tarnished for a number of years and I think just left a bad taste in people's mouths about the team's lack of success. He had been given 9 years - a coaching eternity - yet was not able to build a successful team. Bengston got just 3 years; Devine got 4. Peoples' frustration simply spilled onto Starr. This, in spite of the great community work he continued to do in Wisconsin. Overtime, he was once again embraced. Same will likely happen with Favre. Same happened with Lambeau (http://www.packerchatters.com/op-ed/view.php?id=6462). Post Lombardi expectations were sky-high on all levels. It was a tough act to follow. Some of the animosity towards Starr the coach was earned; some was not deserved. Starr the player was always extremely highly regarded (as he should have been).

I'll take a stab at answering your question, knowing the risk is that I wiil be accused of auditioning for the Dr. Phil show.

Man is an emotional creature. Why else would we waste our time getting euphoric when a group of men whom we have never met win at a game that doesn't impact our lives at all?

Our emotions created Brett the Packer hero. If Brett plays elsewhere, our emotional brain can't deal with the new picture, and that manifests itself as anger and resentment.

Sure, the logic of your question makes sense, but we're cavemen.