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MrHenderson
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...3339&spln=1

Wow! Cant believe this crap.

I can see it now though...

Favre throws an INT to Matthews and gets crushed by Raji on the return for a TD!
ajg
What does "buzz" mean? How good is a source if it is a "buzz"?

Still a non-story IMO, until something concrete happens...
Jeremy
Meh. Probably just trying to get in shape to play softball or something. Or maybe just doesn't want to balloon up like a lot of ex athletes do after they retire. unsure.gif
LuvdaPack36
Seriously? Are we still talking about this stupid plane trip?

How many times do I have to post that the plane had NOTHING to do with Favre?

3 now and counting...

My wife hired a personal trainer also. Think she is going to try out for the Vikings?
JimATX
What's her 40 time? Does she have a good bubble?

LuvdaPack36
QUOTE (JimATX @ May 1 2009, 04:22 PM) *
What's her 40 time? Does she have a good bubble?




Numbers dont matter to Childress. He's all about dentistry and how someone looks in purple.
MrHenderson
QUOTE (LuvdaPack36 @ May 1 2009, 02:14 PM) *
Seriously? Are we still talking about this stupid plane trip?

How many times do I have to post that the plane had NOTHING to do with Favre?

3 now and counting...

My wife hired a personal trainer also. Think she is going to try out for the Vikings?


I bet she would throw less INTs then Brett.
JimATX
QUOTE (LuvdaPack36 @ May 1 2009, 04:25 PM) *
Numbers dont matter to Childress. He's all about dentistry and how someone looks in purple.

Since you are from Shawnee I'll assume your wife has all of her teeth. biggrin.gif Now, if you were from Arkansas City, Liberal, or Coffeyville........ unsure.gif


LuvdaPack36
QUOTE (JimATX @ May 1 2009, 04:33 PM) *
Since you are from Shawnee I'll assume your wife has all of her teeth. biggrin.gif Now, if you were from Arkansas City, Liberal, or Coffeyville........ unsure.gif





I used to do some partying in Coffeyville back in the day. Had some buddies who played on the Oline down there.
DWhitehurst
As for me, Favre to the Vikings would be good news! (And I say that as a WI Native Pack fan living in exile in Min-eh-SOE-dah!!!)

Why? Because with now a year-removed from the whole sad drama, first of sadness of Favre's retirement, and then utter disappointment with his me-first/team-last behavior in his unretirement....well....now I honestly just want to see Favre get his arse handed to him by the Packers.

At his retirement I was sad to see he couldn't go out on a high, ending his last game with the Packers with an interception. But now after his unretirement and year with the Jets I now am ready to see him in Purple, so that I can see our Packers (and all Packer fans like myself) go out on a high against him, rather than him going out on a high at our expense. Oh, if only Favre would come to his senses and simply apologize for being an idiotic who'd let his ego get out of control! But if/since that isn't going to be, if he truly still does wanna "stick it to Ted", then by all means Ted, it's time to stick it to him...It's time to hand him the recompense coming to him. We've been merciful and forebearing long enough. So I truly hope he does sign with the Viqueens now...I want a chance to exact the come up'n he's got coming to him.

Indeed, I'll admit, it's personal now. 17 years of dutiful devotion to him as a fan will do that to ya. He didn't just step on the Packers team, or just on the brass, but he also stepped on us the fans who put up with alot more than he realizes over the years. We were loyal to him. He was hardly loyal to us---he could've held that clipboard for Rodgers and would've gotten back behind center by game 3 of last season...BUT NO! Holding a clipboard was too far below him, too much of that "team first player" attitude which is beneath him.

To bring full cathartic "healing" to my cheddar soul at this point is simply to have Favre (and that weasel Childress) face us, face the Pack, and watch as the Packers play all out irregardless of risk of injury, unleashing all the hell of pain which Favre inflicted upon the team, it's organization, and above all it's fans who stuck with him through all the bad times as well as good...who loved him although we knew he was imperfect, bearing graciously with all his untimely, boneheaded passes over 17 years...of grown men like myself who actually cried a little when he first announced his retirement. (Ok, I cried alot, but don't tell my wife or any of my friends! lol)

So again, my hope and wish is to see Favre in the purple now....no other team but those Viqueens. It's time for recompense...Favre had his chance to go out on a high note and blew it...blew it 3 times no less!!! Time for him to be chastised...Time for the Packers to unleash hell on him in a 3-4 blitzkrieg of Kevin Greene-like controlled rage. The time of forbearance is over...the time for recompense has come. And do not doubt---the Packers will DESTROY the Viqueens with Favre in the purple. There is no doubt in my mind.
DWhitehurst
Oh yeah, one more thing.......

When Favre admits in SI to wanting to "stick it to Ted", then it just goes to show how unappreciative he is being with regard to all the years with the Packers, even before Ted Thompson. If anything, the unparalleled beauty of the Packers team, organization, and it's fans is precisely that we're FAMILY! Any of us who've took our families to a tailgate, a game, or even a training camp practice, cannot but see that. Even if I as a fan didn't agree with all of Ted's moves (although I can't think of many), HE IS STILL FAMILY! You listening Brett? To say you wanna "stick it to Ted" is really to stick it to the team, the organization, and above all, us the fans! We're family. To say you wanna stick it to one, is to say you wanna stick it to us all, whether it be our GM or the Porta Poddy plumber in the Lambeau Field parking lot.

But then again, you've already answered that question Brett. You AREN'T listening. Maybe you aren't able. But I know some Packers who can and do. Hey you, our new Golden Boy! Yes, you, Clay Matthews Jr. I know you'll listen. For Favre to say he wants to stick it to Ted, the guy who believed in you so much as to make such an uncharacteristic trade-up at huge cost (in terms of draft picks) to get you in the Green and Gold, is really for him to say he wants to stick it to YOU! Remember that when you take the field this season and see Favre in front of you behind center in Viqueen purple. Remember that...It's personal for you too. You're now a Packer. You're family--one is for all and all are for one. Favre wants to stick it to you. Don't let him. Stick it to him. Unleash hell on him...I know you will...You've got that Matthews fearless, "fortune favors the brave" football character in your blood after all. I know you'll bring it. Even more than your father and uncle. Can wait to see it!!!

Fwiw Clay, Favre WAS the face of the Packers for many years. But I'm convinced that if you stay humble, if you keep your current work ethic, always staying hungry and never assuming you've "arrived", ok, and maybe end up marrying a beautiful-yet-down-home Wisconsin girl (there actually are a few of them out there) whom you'll end up pining for more than Southern Cali during the winter months here in Sconny, then I predict you will become the new face of the team in the coming years. But just learn from Favre what NOT to do: Don't let your ego EVER get the best of you...Remember the saying, "Pride comes before the fall." If you do that, you will be a legend one day, one whose jersey number we without any misgivings will rejoice to retire someday!
LuvdaPack36
Wow...just wow...


(shaking head)
mzahn
I am fairly critical of Brett's actions but that is a little over the top.
WB PackerFan
QUOTE (mzahn @ May 2 2009, 07:30 PM) *
I am fairly critical of Brett's actions but that is a little over the top.

It is how alot of people feel however. If he goes to the Vikings more Favre supporters will jump ship.
I will add if Favre goes to the Vikings I believe he will be succesful for 1 reason . Peterson. If Favre would just be a presense back there and let Peterson run the show Brett and the Vikings will be tough to beat.
LuvdaPack36
Does Brett really want to retire a Packer?

If he does I honestly think the org. would tell him to stick it if he played for the Vikes and then retired again.

I dont think they would retire his #. I dont think he would be in the ring of honor, I dont think they let him retire as a Packer.

I think they would wash their hands of him and that would be that.

IF he did play for the Vikes...I think I would do the same...
WB PackerFan
QUOTE (LuvdaPack36 @ May 2 2009, 07:49 PM) *
Does Brett really want to retire a Packer?

If he does I honestly think the org. would tell him to stick it if he played for the Vikes and then retired again.

I dont think they would retire his #. I dont think he would be in the ring of honor, I dont think they let him retire as a Packer.

I think they would wash their hands of him and that would be that.

IF he did play for the Vikes...I think I would do the same...

I agree Luvda

If he were to play for them I would make it quite awhile before I would even consider it. Time does heal all wounds and if he does play for the Vikings or not ... # 4 will be in the ring of honor.

I would hope Brett wants to retire a Packer, this organization and city were tremendous to him and his family.
GregJennings
Well said dwhithurst. I also hope Favre comes back as I don't think he's very good right now and I'd like to see Ted's defense crush him.
LuvdaPack36
QUOTE (GregJennings @ May 2 2009, 08:27 AM) *
Well said dwhithurst. I also hope Favre comes back as I don't think he's very good right now and I'd like to see Ted's defense crush him.





More classy talk of injuring someone.


rolleyes.gif
mzahn
If he becomes a Viking than we know he is coming back to just try to get revenge or whatever you want to call it on the Packers, then in my opinion he doesn't deserve any honors Packers. I really am not worried about him playing for them because I just don't think his skills are up to it anymore, or should I say his arm and if he is just coming back for revenge, his head. I could see him really forcing a lot of balls when he plays us resulting in a lot of interceptions.
LMG
QUOTE (GregJennings @ May 2 2009, 06:27 AM) *
Well said dwhithurst. I also hope Favre comes back as I don't think he's very good right now and I'd like to see Ted's defense crush him.



You and the couple of others talking about 'you hope Brett gets injured if he comes back' is really uncalled for.

Very immature!! mad.gif
packinatl
QUOTE (MrHenderson @ May 2 2009, 04:27 AM) *
I bet she would throw less INTs then Brett.


My guess is Favre would throw more TD's and win more games. Why always focus on the negative dry.gif dry.gif
pilprin
If Brett goes to MN and plays against GB, it will hurt me personally. I know he is free to do what he wants, I know he owes the Packers nothing, I know there are some who feel he got screwed by TT, but what about me - the fan. I/we have not done anything to him. I have invested half of my basement on his memorabilia, I forgave him, I supported him, I loved him. So what about me? Do I deserve to watch my legend, my favorite athlete of all time play for my hated rival? Do I deserve to be conflicted to boo him or cheer him?

Brett has done so much for me and all fans by the way he played and the great memories, but for the love of the fans - Brett don't put me/us in that position. As much as I loved you as a player, I am a Packer fan through and through and on Sunday I wish nothing good for the opposing QB. (I don't want him injured - that would be the worst ending - period)

If you want to play, play outside the NFC central.

I know I'm warped, but that's how I feel.
pmals
QUOTE (LuvdaPack36 @ May 2 2009, 08:30 AM) *
More classy talk of injuring someone.


rolleyes.gif

No where did anyone talke about injuring him, they simply said crush him. I would also hope the same, just like any other QB the packers play. There is a big difference between the two terms.
The GM
It was the the Packers that traded Brett Favre, his decision to continue playing will have nothing to do with his honors after his career is over. There may be some heartburn on the part of Favre, but the idea of not honoring him because he wants to play football again is foolish at best. Favre was an legendary icon in Green Bay, and the honors he'll receive are for his time in Green Bay. It may not happen for 2 years , 5 years or 15 years, but Favres number will be retired and he will be in the ring of honor regardless if he comes back or not.

His contributions to Green Bay far exceed any football decision he makes today.
House
I would hate to see him in Purple, but Im selfish.. I want to see Brett play more and I want him to still be my QB..

If he plays, Ill be happy to see him.. Just 2 weeks out of the year ill have to hope we outscore him..

I bought a Jets jersey just to support my favorite player, Ill follow him where ever..

Im a Packer fan tried and true but I have, as well as most everyone else here, been a Favre fan for years..Makes it rough..

As always, GO PACK...
GregJennings
QUOTE (pmals @ May 2 2009, 09:49 PM) *
No where did anyone talke about injuring him, they simply said crush him. I would also hope the same, just like any other QB the packers play. There is a big difference between the two terms.


You pass today's 3rd grade reading comprehension test. Good job wink.gif

I'd love to see him play our new defense though. I also think we match up well against Minnesota. We are strong at NT. They are average at center. We play a "stop the run first" defensive style. They play a run first offense. We play a 3-4 defense. They rarely play against the 3-4 defense. We have a pass first offense. They have a run stop first defense. We have a deep roster after stock piling picks the last few years. They have a shallow roster after trading picks away the last few years. Pat Williams is getting old. Sharper is gone. Birk is gone. Rodgers is entering his prime. They're going to have a slow footed rookie RT, we have Aaron Kampman rushing off the edge.

I think if he went to Minny, he'd find out the challenge of beating the Packers is going to be more than he can handle. At the very least, those would be some of the most exciting regular season games I've ever watched.

I say, "bring it on, Brett". This whole thing has been ugly, might as well settle it on the field. It seems like the fitting end to this whole drama.
LuvdaPack36
QUOTE (pmals @ May 2 2009, 10:49 AM) *
No where did anyone talke about injuring him, they simply said crush him. I would also hope the same, just like any other QB the packers play. There is a big difference between the two terms.




You might want to go into some other threads where someone said something about "ending his career". dry.gif
MrHenderson
QUOTE (LuvdaPack36 @ May 2 2009, 09:27 AM) *
You might want to go into some other threads where someone said something about "ending his career". dry.gif


I agree that crushing him is not the same though. Saying you would like to see his career ended by injury is just stupid. I don't want the guy to get killed but i do want our D to show him it was a mistake to come back.
GregJennings
Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers -vs- Brett Favre and the Minnesota Vikings.


It has a certain ring to it. It will be curious to see our defense develop. If Capers can establish the physical, in your face defenses that he's accustomed to coaching, it would be very interesting to see the 40 year old Favre competing against a group of angry, physical 25 year olds that want to settle this nasty battle on behalf of the coach who's supporting them, the GM who gave them their chance and the QB who's leading them.

It would be the best storyline in football. I'm all for it and while I don't want Favre to be seriously hurt, I'd love to see our defense absolutely drill him into the turf a few times, you know, in the name of good, old fashioned, physical football.
ricky
QUOTE (LuvdaPack36 @ May 2 2009, 04:14 AM) *
Seriously? Are we still talking about this stupid plane trip?

How many times do I have to post that the plane had NOTHING to do with Favre?

3 now and counting...

My wife hired a personal trainer also. Think she is going to try out for the Vikings?


1. Was your wife a HOF QB in the NFL?

2. Did she originally retire, then "unretire?"

3. Did your wife hire a personal during the NFL off-season before to get ready for the regular NFL season?

4. Does your wife have a visceral hatred for TT?

Understand- this is no disrespect to your wife. However, these are apples and oranges. Favre has already retired and come back- would he do it again? That is the question. The timing is peculiar, which makes it interesting. Favre gets his release from the Jets (and I really don't care what their "cap hit" is) and gets a personal trainer. Now, whether the PT was before his release or not is irrelevant, In previous years, Favre has hired a personal trainer to get him ready for the football season. Just because he said he's retired, to me, means nothing. Once you do something, it becomes easier the second time. Will Favre end up with the Vikings? Who knows?

Personally, if Favre ends up with the Vikings, I wouldn't want to see him "crushed" by Raji or any other Packer. I would simply want him to be on the losing team in both encounters with the Packers.
LuvdaPack36
Maybe he just wants to stay in shape?


Nahhh, that would be to logical of a reason.
slobberchops
Maybe Favre believes the Queens are the best team in the NFL that needs a QB and he could be that guy, end his career playing in the Superbowl...

ending a career on top is something most competitors think about....


CBeacs
Ah, what would an offseason be without a little Favre drama

On a serious note, when John Elway went out with two SB rings it wasn't because of John Elway, sure it didn't hurt. But he also had possibly the best RB in the league (one of, Sanders and Emmitt were still playing) behind him in Terrell Davis.

Maybe Brett sees some similarities and wants to try his hand with the best RB in the league behind him and see if he can go with a ring like John did.
DWhitehurst
QUOTE (LMG @ May 2 2009, 08:53 AM) *
You and the couple of others talking about 'you hope Brett gets injured if he comes back' is really uncalled for.

Very immature!! mad.gif



LMG,

Let me preface first by saying that for what it's worth, I have and always will respect you. I am truly grateful for your work in keeping this site running as well as keeping it respectful and respectable. The last thing I ever would intentionally wish to do is sully that. I don't have the time to post much any more like I used to. But when I do, I will occasionally use a preachy, evocative rhetorical style depending on the topic simply in order that the reader might feel compelled to take a clear, convinced position of agreement or disagreement, and is based on OBJECTIVE grounds as much as possible.

And the issue of Favre is one where I can't but use such rhetoric. (Sorry, blame it on the Lutheran minister in me!)

In being objective I realize LMG that unlike another poster I won't mention, you have not literally written anything in this post of yours I quote above which literally names me, or is lumping me together with whomever you are referring to who have posted comments which state their "hope that Brett gets injured if he comes back". I assume it was not directed at me, since, after all, you are an intelligent guy who as a moderator must read/judge the actual content of the posts on here. Not only did I never literally suggest a hope of seeing Brett get injured, I never even indirectly ever meant to imply that. I challenge anybody who can read critically (an increasing challenge for some in our "cellphone texting", "computer spell checking" age), which I know you can, to point out anywhere in my two posts on this topic where even by inference I am implying a hope to see Favre get injured, that is, PHYSICALLY and IRREPARABLY!!! My writing never suggest that even by indirect implication.

But if I'm wrong to objectively take you at your literal words LMG, and thus if by chance your comment was directed at me in addition to whomever else you were referring to, then let me give an explanation:

Is it my hope to see Favre playing for the Vikings so that I can see what in my opinion is Favre's current egocentric PRIDE get injured? Oh yes, yes I do!!! Do I hope to see his current, Me-first attitude and own actual
hatred for Ted" be exorcised? Yes, yes I do!!! So yes, that is precisely WHY I hope he ends up playing for the Vikings. And if so, yes, to see his self-centered PRIDE gets injured, I do hope to see him get sacked a bunch of times by such blitzers as Clay Matthews, Jr., or whichever Packer it is who will play OLB and/or DE in this season's hybrid 4-3/3-4 defense when they play the Vikings. Yes, I do hope to see him get pass rush pressure like never before so that he throws a bunch of ints and ends up either benched or simply contributing to an enormous lob-sided victory by the Packers.

Let the reader understand. My own expressed opinions on this topic of "Favre to the Vikings" does NOT arise out of hate for him AT ALL! Quite the opposite is true: It arises precisely out of LOVE for the guy, not to mention out of appreciation for the public image he had established as an honest and earnest person, and the legacy as a team-first football player he had built up over the years. Up until the past year, he had been someone I was glad to see my son look up to, not because he was always perfect, whether it was in public on the field, let alone in private in his actual real persona (especially in his younger years of heavy drinking, pill popping, and womanizing). Rather, because he had the integrity and courage to admit to his own imperfections and errors, as well as seeking to overcome them. I was glad to see my son root for that "public Favre", because that Favre had emulated the truth that what matters in the end is not if we fail/fall down, but if and how we get back up. Up until last year, he had emulated that spirit of neither being afraid to lose nor afraid to win which made him so admirable to root for, and so forgiveable when he messed up. And such a spirit was contagious for us fans: We were willing not just to live with the Favre, but also die with the Favre! For sure, many times we may have been disappointed with him for his untimely and inexplicably-boneheaded interceptions which, although not totally, yet still significantly, contributed to the team's defeat (e.g., in EACH and EVERY one of the playoff games he played in after the Holmgren-era, namely, the playoff games against St. Louis, Atlanta, Philly, and New York). BUT we never ever hated him for that. If anything, we felt sorry him, like the sorrow we felt for him seeing the agony on his face after throwing that last interception as a Packer against New York.

...But somehow, someway, Favre has lost it, and I don't mean physically, I mean as a person...I don't hate Favre at all as I keep saying. I actually love the guy, always will. And THAT is why precisely because I care about Favre the person and not just Favre the Packer QB that I want to see that current demon spirit of egocentric, selfish pride and spiteful, unforgiving resentment of Ted Thompson be injured, if not completely dispelled...Because it is utterly self-destructive...Whether he realizes it or not, he is only hurting himself and all those around him who truly do care about him not just as a Packer football player but as a person. (Such a great valued principle which I'd like to think that the Green Bay Packers and its fans emulate more than any other team and fans in the league. Call me old-fashioned, but such is much of what makes the Green Bay Packers so great...That was emulated by Ted in not being willing to bench Rodgers after having promoted him to starter, even if Favre would've been the better qb, which itself is very debatable.)

The more Favre keeps harboring this current attitude, which is causing him to keep making such "stick it to Ted" comments in the public media, the more he will have irreparably tarnished, if not destroyed, both the public image he spent years building up, not to mention the legacy he built as a former Green Bay Packer, a legacy which we could much more easily embrace despite all the playoff ints he threw precisely because of the upstanding public behavior and attiitude he had shown, that is, up until last year and on into the present. Finally, I also fear for him, because after he does finally retire, as he continues to age and more and more look back on his past with more distance and perspective, the more I think he will come to a spirit of regret, of loss, of shame. I care about Favre the person, not just the football player. And if it will take no less than a convincing loss to the Packers to help dispell him of his current self-destructive spirit, then I hope it happens for his sake...so that 20 years from now he isn't left in a heap of depressing regret over how he had so quickly tarnished, if not destroyed, what took 17 years to build up.

I hope his pride is crushed, so that he gets over himself, that destructive "self" he's currently trapped in...(If I may be permitted, in my own particular church speak my hope for him is it "repentance", which I define in terms of contrition over sin and then faith in the forgiveness of sins)...I want to see him defeated so that it leads him to face up to his behavior, to forgive as he's been forgiven, unshackled from such a self-destructive spirit, even if born out of perceived hurt from another, of unforgiving hate and resentment which eats away at a person more and more.....So that by such a change he would be led to again be the old Favre who could honestly and earnestly confess his faults and seek to improve for the better. A simple "I was wrong in my behavior. I'm sorry for it. Please forgive me." is what I hope for Favre's sake. And no doubt, knowing the special breed we Packer fans are, all would be forgiven. All would be IMMEDIATELY forgotten, with nothing but all the positive memories of Favre's career with the Packers remembered and cherished.

And then I can finally put up that Fathead of Favre I bought for my son's room the day after he retired...lol.


GregJennings
Wow, dw. That was long winded, but I agree. I honestly want the best for him, but he's been told his poop tastes like icecream for a long time. Everyone telling him how great he was has lead to him believing he's better than others and deserves special treatment. That is the attitude that needs to be crushed.

You know, that is exactly how I feel. I feel he needs to be taken down a notch so he can come back to being the every man that everyone fell in love with. Right now he's an arrogant, pampered diva. I want him to get back to being the best but feeling in his heart that he's just one of the boys. I don't think that will go away unless he gets it slapped out of him so I agree, I want him to get beat to submission. I think it's the only way to cure such an ugly, deep ego.
The GM
QUOTE (DWhitehurst @ May 2 2009, 12:49 PM) *
The more Favre keeps harboring this current attitude, which is causing him to keep making such "stick it to Ted" comments in the public media, the more he will have irreparably tarnished, if not destroyed, both the public image he spent years building up, not to mention the legacy he built as a former Green Bay Packer, a legacy which we could much more easily embrace despite all the playoff ints he threw precisely because of the upstanding public behavior and attiitude he had shown, that is, up until last year and on into the present. Finally, I also fear for him, because after he does finally retire, as he continues to age and more and more look back on his past with more distance and perspective, the more I think he will come to a spirit of regret, of loss, of shame. I care about Favre the person, not just the football player. And if it will take no less than a convincing loss to the Packers to help dispell him of his current self-destructive spirit, then I hope it happens for his sake...so that 20 years from now he isn't left in a heap of depressing regret over how he had so quickly tarnished, if not destroyed, what took 17 years to build up.

I hope his pride is crushed, so that he gets over himself, that destructive "self" he's currently trapped in...


While this is only a report, it doesnt sound like he's getting over himself soon.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/02/...tand-green-bay/
IceBowlWitnessBoy
QUOTE (DWhitehurst @ May 2 2009, 02:49 PM) *
LMG,

Let me preface first by saying that for what it's worth, I have and always will respect you. I am truly grateful for your work in keeping this site running as well as keeping it respectful and respectable. The last thing I ever would intentionally wish to do is sully that. I don't have the time to post much any more like I used to. But when I do, I will occasionally use a preachy, evocative rhetorical style depending on the topic simply in order that the reader might feel compelled to take a clear, convinced position of agreement or disagreement, and is based on OBJECTIVE grounds as much as possible.

And the issue of Favre is one where I can't but use such rhetoric. (Sorry, blame it on the Lutheran minister in me!)

In being objective I realize LMG that unlike another poster I won't mention, you have not literally written anything in this post of yours I quote above which literally names me, or is lumping me together with whomever you are referring to who have posted comments which state their "hope that Brett gets injured if he comes back". I assume it was not directed at me, since, after all, you are an intelligent guy who as a moderator must read/judge the actual content of the posts on here. Not only did I never literally suggest a hope of seeing Brett get injured, I never even indirectly ever meant to imply that. I challenge anybody who can read critically (an increasing challenge for some in our "cellphone texting", "computer spell checking" age), which I know you can, to point out anywhere in my two posts on this topic where even by inference I am implying a hope to see Favre get injured, that is, PHYSICALLY and IRREPARABLY!!! My writing never suggest that even by indirect implication.

But if I'm wrong to objectively take you at your literal words LMG, and thus if by chance your comment was directed at me in addition to whomever else you were referring to, then let me give an explanation:

Is it my hope to see Favre playing for the Vikings so that I can see what in my opinion is Favre's current egocentric PRIDE get injured? Oh yes, yes I do!!! Do I hope to see his current, Me-first attitude and own actual
hatred for Ted" be exorcised? Yes, yes I do!!! So yes, that is precisely WHY I hope he ends up playing for the Vikings. And if so, yes, to see his self-centered PRIDE gets injured, I do hope to see him get sacked a bunch of times by such blitzers as Clay Matthews, Jr., or whichever Packer it is who will play OLB and/or DE in this season's hybrid 4-3/3-4 defense when they play the Vikings. Yes, I do hope to see him get pass rush pressure like never before so that he throws a bunch of ints and ends up either benched or simply contributing to an enormous lob-sided victory by the Packers.

Let the reader understand. My own expressed opinions on this topic of "Favre to the Vikings" does NOT arise out of hate for him AT ALL! Quite the opposite is true: It arises precisely out of LOVE for the guy, not to mention out of appreciation for the public image he had established as an honest and earnest person, and the legacy as a team-first football player he had built up over the years. Up until the past year, he had been someone I was glad to see my son look up to, not because he was always perfect, whether it was in public on the field, let alone in private in his actual real persona (especially in his younger years of heavy drinking, pill popping, and womanizing). Rather, because he had the integrity and courage to admit to his own imperfections and errors, as well as seeking to overcome them. I was glad to see my son root for that "public Favre", because that Favre had emulated the truth that what matters in the end is not if we fail/fall down, but if and how we get back up. Up until last year, he had emulated that spirit of neither being afraid to lose nor afraid to win which made him so admirable to root for, and so forgiveable when he messed up. And such a spirit was contagious for us fans: We were willing not just to live with the Favre, but also die with the Favre! For sure, many times we may have been disappointed with him for his untimely and inexplicably-boneheaded interceptions which, although not totally, yet still significantly, contributed to the team's defeat (e.g., in EACH and EVERY one of the playoff games he played in after the Holmgren-era, namely, the playoff games against St. Louis, Atlanta, Philly, and New York). BUT we never ever hated him for that. If anything, we felt sorry him, like the sorrow we felt for him seeing the agony on his face after throwing that last interception as a Packer against New York.

...But somehow, someway, Favre has lost it, and I don't mean physically, I mean as a person...I don't hate Favre at all as I keep saying. I actually love the guy, always will. And THAT is why precisely because I care about Favre the person and not just Favre the Packer QB that I want to see that current demon spirit of egocentric, selfish pride and spiteful, unforgiving resentment of Ted Thompson be injured, if not completely dispelled...Because it is utterly self-destructive...Whether he realizes it or not, he is only hurting himself and all those around him who truly do care about him not just as a Packer football player but as a person. (Such a great valued principle which I'd like to think that the Green Bay Packers and its fans emulate more than any other team and fans in the league. Call me old-fashioned, but such is much of what makes the Green Bay Packers so great...That was emulated by Ted in not being willing to bench Rodgers after having promoted him to starter, even if Favre would've been the better qb, which itself is very debatable.)

The more Favre keeps harboring this current attitude, which is causing him to keep making such "stick it to Ted" comments in the public media, the more he will have irreparably tarnished, if not destroyed, both the public image he spent years building up, not to mention the legacy he built as a former Green Bay Packer, a legacy which we could much more easily embrace despite all the playoff ints he threw precisely because of the upstanding public behavior and attiitude he had shown, that is, up until last year and on into the present. Finally, I also fear for him, because after he does finally retire, as he continues to age and more and more look back on his past with more distance and perspective, the more I think he will come to a spirit of regret, of loss, of shame. I care about Favre the person, not just the football player. And if it will take no less than a convincing loss to the Packers to help dispell him of his current self-destructive spirit, then I hope it happens for his sake...so that 20 years from now he isn't left in a heap of depressing regret over how he had so quickly tarnished, if not destroyed, what took 17 years to build up.

I hope his pride is crushed, so that he gets over himself, that destructive "self" he's currently trapped in...(If I may be permitted, in my own particular church speak my hope for him is it "repentance", which I define in terms of contrition over sin and then faith in the forgiveness of sins)...I want to see him defeated so that it leads him to face up to his behavior, to forgive as he's been forgiven, unshackled from such a self-destructive spirit, even if born out of perceived hurt from another, of unforgiving hate and resentment which eats away at a person more and more.....So that by such a change he would be led to again be the old Favre who could honestly and earnestly confess his faults and seek to improve for the better. A simple "I was wrong in my behavior. I'm sorry for it. Please forgive me." is what I hope for Favre's sake. And no doubt, knowing the special breed we Packer fans are, all would be forgiven. All would be IMMEDIATELY forgotten, with nothing but all the positive memories of Favre's career with the Packers remembered and cherished.

And then I can finally put up that Fathead of Favre I bought for my son's room the day after he retired...lol.

Wow. I'll buy a beer for anyone that can read this whole post word for word... laugh.gif
stuffin
If BF plays for The Vikings, I hope they are in his face every second the ball is in play and yes, I hope he has trouble breathing, and I hope he gets hit, hard. I hope they make his numbers look pathetic. I don't ever wish for someone to get injured but, if BF gets injured after a (legitimate) hit, OH WELL! This is no different than if it was any other player in The NFL playing against THE PACKERS. And I'm sure that is how most of us feel, even when we use words like clobbered, pounded and so on...

Do I wish BF bad things? Yes, if he plays against THE PACKERS.

All the personal BS aside, this is The NFL and THE PACKERS will need to take care of business!!!
goyotes22
I remember Favre from day 1. In fact I remember many fans crying about trading a #1 for a 3rd stringer from the Falcons as well as many people decrying his gambling ways as holding the team back in the early '90's. The bottom line is that Favre has always been a winner and he has always been a class act. Even the "maybe I will, maybe I won't" stuff about retirement was understandable. The guy clearly lives, eats and breathes football. After the 8-8 season my 9-year old son would ask about Favre and whether he would retire, etc. My answer was that he has earned the right to do whatever he likes but my hope was that he would return. The 2007 season was magical for that reason and because I took my son to the home opener against the Eagles. Last summer, not so much.

I find myself somewhere between Luvda and those wishing Favre ill will. Bottom line is that if he goes to the Vikings he will no longer get the benefit of the doubt from me (like that matters smile.gif ) and I will root for him to keep increasing his record INT totals. I supported TT last year and think the "at this point" part of the Favre statement completely justifies the Packers moving on. At the same time, I guess I still believe that Favre has, in some ways, earned the right to do whatever he likes. I liked MM's comment to reporters yesterday. Yet I also feel sad that Favre is sullying my remembrance of his legacy.

I am not breaking new ground here, but like everyone else I am trying to figure out how this latest turn fits into his football story.

P.S. I don't think a 40-year old QB is the missing ingredient for the Vikings.
The GM
QUOTE (goyotes22 @ May 2 2009, 03:36 PM) *
I find myself somewhere between Luvda and those wishing Favre ill will. Bottom line is that if he goes to the Vikings he will no longer get the benefit of the doubt from me (like that matters smile.gif ) and I will root for him to keep increasing his record INT totals. I supported TT last year and think the "at this point" part of the Favre statement completely justifies the Packers moving on. At the same time, I guess I still believe that Favre has, in some ways, earned the right to do whatever he likes.

P.S. I don't think a 40-year old QB is the missing ingredient for the Vikings.


Goyotes,

What does Favre going to the Vikings have to do with your giving him the benefit of the doubt. He's a football player, released by his old team, the Jets. As Mike McCarthy recently said "if he wants to play football, he should play football".
I just dont understand all this fear of Favre going to the Vikings. The guy led the NFL in interceptions again last year, and WHAT IF he comes back and plays for 2 years and beats the Packers in 4 games? SO WHAT. Are we supposed to cut Aaron Rodgers and bring Favre back?? Does anybody really think Aaron Rodgers isn't the QB of the Packer future? Does anybody really think the Packers would second guess trading Favre, and exactly what could they do about it now? If Favre comes back and wants to compete for a Super Bowl, great, good for him. If he comes back to stick it to the Packers, I dont really think the Packers care, they got their QB, and Favre's performance win, lose or draw isn't going to change that.


goyotes22
QUOTE (The GM @ May 2 2009, 06:18 PM) *
Goyotes,

What does Favre going to the Vikings have to do with your giving him the benefit of the doubt. He's a football player, released by his old team, the Jets. As Mike McCarthy recently said "if he wants to play football, he should play football".
I just dont understand all this fear of Favre going to the Vikings. The guy led the NFL in interceptions again last year, and WHAT IF he comes back and plays for 2 years and beats the Packers in 4 games? SO WHAT. Are we supposed to cut Aaron Rodgers and bring Favre back?? Does anybody really think Aaron Rodgers isn't the QB of the Packer future? Does anybody really think the Packers would second guess trading Favre, and exactly what could they do about it now? If Favre comes back and wants to compete for a Super Bowl, great, good for him. If he comes back to stick it to the Packers, I dont really think the Packers care, they got their QB, and Favre's performance win, lose or draw isn't going to change that.

It's not fear of him going to the Vikings (see the P.S. in my previous post). The benefit of the doubt would be for his constant indecision. On some level I can see how it is hard to hang it up. If you have been at the top of the mountain it has to be hard to come back down. So I tend to cut him some slack for not being able to retire. I thought last summer that the Packers handled things as well as they could have. IF Favre goes to the Vikings I think that I would no longer feel his indecision would be justified. In other words, he would just be a prima donna looking out for his own interests. Sort of like Jordan and the Wizards (although not a perfect comparison).
SodbusterStuckinPA
The GM has always had it right. Logic is a tough thing when confronting idolatry.

It has made him unpopular to many.

Some roll at 78. Some roll at 45. Some roll at 33.

That is my record contribution.

diesel
QUOTE (SodbusterStuckinPA @ May 2 2009, 06:53 PM) *
The GM has always had it right. Logic is a tough thing when confronting idolatry.

It has made him unpopular to many.

Some roll at 78. Some roll at 45. Some roll at 33.

That is my record contribution.

The hatred for Favre is beyond comprehension to me. I have no interest in rehashing last summer, but Favre wanted to come back and play for the Pack. Now he's a traitor and deserves wishes that he would be seriously hurt. Unreal.
LuvdaPack36
QUOTE (SodbusterStuckinPA @ May 2 2009, 06:53 PM) *
The GM has always had it right. Logic is a tough thing when confronting idolatry.

It has made him unpopular to many.

Some roll at 78. Some roll at 45. Some roll at 33.

That is my record contribution.




Idolatry?


Hardly...

Raff
Note to the Favre-dislikers: You can't have it both ways

You were fed up with Favre's "bone-headed interceptions at critical times" and you wanted him gone. Your wish was granted. He is no longer a Packer. But let the man play NFL football if he so chooses.

Somehow you think he is a traitor to the Packers organization if he plays for a team like the Vikings? In my opinion, this is not rational thinking.

Let me try to illustrate this with an analogy.

Let's say you dump your girlfriend or you divorce you wife. Do you have the right to tell her she can't date or marry another man because she's somehow being "disloyal" to YOU after YOU dumped her?


This is the equivalent of many of the posts here that say Favre is somehow being a horrible human being if he is successfully recruited by another NFL team, including the Vikings, to be their QB.

Honestly, if Travarius Jackson was your starting QB, wouldn't Favre look like a pretty attractive safety net?

Just my two cents on the subject.



goyotes22
QUOTE (Raff @ May 2 2009, 09:31 PM) *
Note to the Favre-dislikers: You can't have it both ways

You were fed up with Favre's "bone-headed interceptions at critical times" and you wanted him gone. Your wish was granted. He is no longer a Packer. But let the man play NFL football if he so chooses.

Somehow you think he is a traitor to the Packers organization if he plays for a team like the Vikings? In my opinion, this is not rational thinking.

Let me try to illustrate this with an analogy.

Let's say you dump your girlfriend or you divorce you wife. Do you have the right to tell her she can't date or marry another man because she's somehow being "disloyal" to YOU after YOU dumped her?


This is the equivalent of many of the posts here that say Favre is somehow being a horrible human being if he is successfully recruited by another NFL team, including the Vikings, to be their QB.

Honestly, if Travarius Jackson was your starting QB, wouldn't Favre look like a pretty attractive safety net?

Just my two cents on the subject.

Well, along the same lines, and I hate the tit for tat but . . ., Favre likers can't hold it against the Packers for moving on. Let's say your girlfriend can't commit. Does she have the right to continue to ask to return? Favre isn't a horrible human being but you can't plan the future around him.

This latest episode (and I realize it is all conjecture) shows he was not about the Packers, but about himself. In his statements Favre always held himself out as a Packer. His want to play for the Vikings runs contrary. As I have said earlier, perhaps he has earned that right to date whomever he likes. However, it will surely tarnish his legacy.
DWhitehurst
Why is it that certain people must equate hating some of the things Favre has done and said with hating Favre himself? I personally don't hate Favre at all. But I do hate some of the things he has said and done in the past year. Make the distinction, please!!!
philh64
Before saying all of this, IMO Favre is retired and will stay that way. Here is my .02 if the unthinkable happened.

I admit I would have a hard time seeing Favre in purple. One of my favorite Packers of all time playing for the team that I hate almost as much as I love the Packers.......that would be the most bitter pill to swallow.

I can't blame the man for wanting to hang onto his youth and play the game while his body is still able, as limited as it may be now days. Also, I understand both the Packers side of the drama last summer as well as Favre's. Having said all that; If Brett comes back and plays for the Vikes only to spite the Packers because of his hatred for TT, and overlooks what that would do to the millions Packer fans around the world that adore him, then IMO he either has his priorities in life scewed or is getting bad advice from a bad agent. If Brett truly wants to play football this year, there are other teams out there besides the Vikings that would welcome him.
cheesner
QUOTE (Raff @ May 3 2009, 03:31 AM) *
Note to the Favre-dislikers: You can't have it both ways

You were fed up with Favre's "bone-headed interceptions at critical times" and you wanted him gone. Your wish was granted. He is no longer a Packer. But let the man play NFL football if he so chooses.

Somehow you think he is a traitor to the Packers organization if he plays for a team like the Vikings? In my opinion, this is not rational thinking.

Let me try to illustrate this with an analogy.

Let's say you dump your girlfriend or you divorce you wife. Do you have the right to tell her she can't date or marry another man because she's somehow being "disloyal" to YOU after YOU dumped her?


This is the equivalent of many of the posts here that say Favre is somehow being a horrible human being if he is successfully recruited by another NFL team, including the Vikings, to be their QB.

Honestly, if Travarius Jackson was your starting QB, wouldn't Favre look like a pretty attractive safety net?

Just my two cents on the subject.

Would your opinion of your ex-girlfriend change, though, if she started sleeping with your best friend just to 'get even'?
stuffin
What is wrong with everybody?

If Favre is on another team, he is no longer A PACKER!!!!!

If your loyality is with Farve, please go with him to the his new team. Oh, and stay there....

Otherwise, root, hope, pray he doesn't do well when his play effects THE PACKERS!

I loved Favre, I'm thrilled at his contribution to PACKER HISTORY. He had the courage to move on, we need to do the same......

If you have any namby pamby emotions regarding Farve, maybe you should seek Behavioral Health Guidance....


Sorry if I'm a bit blunt, but afterall this is THE PACKERS>>>>>
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