Offensive line coach James Campen on the newest Packer, lineman T.J. Lang 6-4 1/2, - 320 lbs:

""Very tough football player, high-effort player. Physical, plays with d-line mentality. Disciplined... Will wait until evaluate in OTAs... TJ can play all of them. Hasn't snapped in a game or played guard, but he displays those traits. "We will try to hone him into one position if we can do that."

"Weight similar to but taller than Sitton. Body composition, everyone's different. "Certainly a big-framed kid, a big-boned kid who can get in there and push people around. Lang is very athletic for his size, runs 5.1 40, 30 bench reps. When find similar skillsets, we go for bigger kid."

"Didn't put hand down much at EMU, but did in goal-line, short-yardage. Has shown footwork to execute scheme in NFL. Certainly, it's not going to be an issue for him. "Every player obviously needs to get stronger and continue their growth in the weight room. Displays good leg strength, good knee drive. Will keep growing in weight room."

"We have four or five guys, now a fifth, that certainly would compete over there. ... (Lang) will definitely compete for a position on this football team."

Scott Wright had Lang rated just a little below the Vikings 2ND round pick Loadholt, as a 2ND or 3RD round choice, so, it's great value in round 4.

I like Lang better than Loadholt for what the Packers do. Loadholt is big and slow, a masher. Lang, they say, is much quicker, more suited to cutting or pulling.

Lang can run. Maybe they'll start using the screen pass again hey Bruce?

I think he has all the tools to play RT THIS YEAR...

LOVE the pick

lol, i made a thread months ago to watch out for this guy. He fits everything that TT likes in an o-linemen.

I like this pick. With Raji, Matthews, Lang and Quinn we just bring some much needed nastiness to the team on both sides of the line of scrimmage. I think Sitton has that in him too. Hope Meredith can match their fire.

I'll give a hearty "kudos" to you. Followed by a nice slow golf clap.

Seriously, didn't know this kid existed until your thread and been excited about him ever since. Good find.

I had this guy in the 3rd round in my mock draft. When I checked my phone to see who we picked in the 4th I nearly leaped out of my seat at the restaurant I was at. Great choice. Him and Meredith are key, key additions.

This guy is a gentle-giant off the field, and a deceptively athletic mauler on the field. Packer Nation is going to love him.

Yeah, I was tempted to leap alot both days. The way everything laid out, they not only got some needs addressed, but the selections happened to be some of the best players on the board at the time(in my opinion of course). Love the OL picks and the fullback.

My first impression seeing him in the one video jsonline put up was that he looked small, or at least short. He looks built like a wrestler, like a bowling ball. But if those measurements are correct then damn, this guy could really play with some power. It'll be interesting to see how McCarthy fits these guys together.

We know Clifton at LT and Spitz/ Wells at center, but we can see a number of combinations otherwise.

Lang is a very interesting pick. I assume both 1st rounders will become regular players, now and for future. How far they vary from average, either above or below, time will tell. But they will play.

But I think Lang is really a hinge pick. If he could emerge as a solid starter, at tackle, that would be so huge and could enable this draft to be a huge success.

Some random observations:
1. It seems we're crawling with variably young interior linemen of variable quality. If Lang is actually another guard prospect rather than a legit tackle, that will be disappointing.

2. Many/most outside "experts" seem to view him as more of a guard-type than a tackle. The guy on the chat last night, for example, clearly had him tabbed as an interior lineman, not a tackle. Others seem to agree, or at best view him as a tweener. Are they right? Even Campen emphasized his versatility, the fact that he looked good at guard in the one game, and the fact that he seemed equipped for center even though he's never played there. I did not infer a strong conviction that he can play tackle at the NFL level.

3. Scouting: it's likely that for teams that scout him as untooled for tackle, either an interior guy or a tweener, that they would have graded him lower on their draft board than a team that scouted him as a tackle. The Packers drafted him higher than anybody else, and TT said he'd been watching his name for a while. So they presumably had him graded as at least 3rd-round caliber. By contrast Lang said he basically expected to go in the 5th, which implies to me that the feedback he'd gotten from other sources again had reflected where he'd go if viewed as a tweener/interior guy rather than a true tackle. The point I'm rambling to is that TT's higher ranking of Lang perhaps reflects that TT's evaluation differs from most other teams and most of the evaluators who post scouting evals on the web. Even if they don't think he's really a tackle, perhaps the Packers do?

4. If in fact the Packers do think he's a tackle, they are the team that decides what a player's assignment will be. So if they think he's just fine at tackle, even if nobody else agrees, they will likely give him the opportunity to confirm or disprove their view. Perhaps he does have the capacity, but nobody else will give him the opportunity; it appears the Packers likely will.

5. Assuming the majority is right and he really won't be much at tackle, that would really worry me. I'd had my heart set on using at least one of our four high-round picks on a true tackle. With the RT hole and a LT hole looming shortly, I think the future of the Packers and the Aaron Rodgers-directed offense really hinges on procuring quality tackles, and soon. If Lang proves unqualified, that worry will probably intensify. If he could allay those concerns and could establish himself as a very attractive solution to one of the guard spots, that would greatly allay concerns about the tackle situation and the passing-attack that totally depends on decent tackle play.

6. MM has seemed very convicted that he's going to leave Colledge at guard and not mess around with him. That's certainly the preferred scenario; but that's perhaps contingent on getting some level of competence at the tackle spots. That looks good now; and Campen and Philbin can talk confidently that they trust that between Geno, Barbre, Moll, Lang, and Meredith, that a satisfactory solution will emerge. But if we're going through camp and it becomes evident that Lang just isn't cut out for NFL tackle; and that Meredith is not nearly strong enough or assignment reliable; and that 6'8" Geno is neither strong enough nor able to keep his 6'8" pad-level nearly low enough, will Colledge get reconsidered and reassigned to tackle? I wonder how bad it will need to be at tackle before Colledge gets more consideration than MM is giving him now? Hopefully it will never be a problem and we'll never need to know.

Ideally this will all be worries for nothing. Geno will be shockingly good. With his long arms and young legs, being fairly intelligent and highly motivated, perhaps he will just come out and shock us and immediately be quite a good pass protector. Clifton after his knee cleanups will be much improved, will be able to better withstand his ground on pass rush and will actually be more mobile and active in the run-blocking. Lang will look just fine at tackle, but will have the year to practice and build and polish his game. Meredith's injuries will be behind him, and he's actually fairly bright; he will learn a lot from good pro coaching, and with a year or more to develop, in time we'll see a significantly built-up and stronger guy who is unusually quick and ends up being a high-level pass protector and in time becomes a surprisingly usable run-blocker as well. Perhaps with young legs and knees he'll be suited for all kinds of zone-blocking and chop-blocking and screen-blocking in a way that was never realistic with Clifton, all without any compromise of the pass blocking.

Right now the future at tackle looks frighteningly shaky. Hopefully a year from now, entering the next draft, TT and MM won't feel any special need for tackles because all three of Geno, Lang, and Meredith will have shown themselves to be very promising solutions.

Craig, I see he's listed as an OG sorry to say. I agree that I'd rather see confidence in him as a Tackle, if nothing else just for the pick value. Of course the depth chart at this date is not too meaningful.

However I think they really like Giacomini. Of course we fans have seen nothing of this guy - but all the moves seem to indicate he's the guy. I do like his height (and wingspan) on the edge, as far as measurables go. And then there's Barbre. Is he another Junius Coston?

We do need OG though, as Spitz will move. Sitton seems to be the incumbent at RG, but I think Lang will be right there behind him.

Overall though, the right side of our line is still a mystery waiting to be revealed. Exciting stuff, as I think we have some real ammunition this year.

craig/ex Oh; Packers.com shows him as G/T. Thompson stated that he drafts a lot of college Tackles and see where they fit, Colledge, Moll, don't know where Sitton/Spitz played in college. Campen stated he can play anywhere and GB would look at him during minis and OTA to decide.

On a side note: in 2000, Wolf drafted a guy in the 2nd round that many thought would be a guard in the pros. Wolf was sure that he found their LT and was right, Clifton stepped right in. On the other side, Wahle was a T in college, right? and GB tried in at LT and he did not work out. He finally found his home at LG. Wahle was a supplemental pick I believe. Anyway, I would not right him off yet. Also, I think that GB does not want to "pencil" him in at RT before TC starts, so less pressure.

Anyone consider that Tauscher might be brought back in another capacity? He's super smart and super experienced. The way the organization treated Rob Davis makes me think it's a possibility.

I really like Mark and hope he recovers and does well.

I think his days in GB are over, if he is re-signed at a later point it will only be because all other options (the young guys) failed.

I seem to remember that Tauscher's next career will be as a school administrator. I'll see if I can find the story/link.

Thanks, good addition stuffin

I think Lang will have a long and successfull career in Green Bay whether he is playing guard or tackle IMHO.

Great points, all.

1. You make an excellent point that they really do seem to like Geno. Not only the comments; it seems that their actions (or lack thereof) also support the idea. If they were as worried about RT as I was this morning, would they not have done more than just spend a 4th on a guy who may not even play OT? Wouldn't they have gone after a tackle more aggressively? Perhaps their very inactivity testifies to how much trust he's earned. (I hope it works out this way: I recall two years ago, everybody was all fussed up about tight end and safety, and what did they do? Nothing. They had enough trust in Lee/Bubba/Humphrey at TE and Bigby/etc at safety, and that trust was justified. Perhaps Geno will be that same kind of pleasant surprise...)

Perhaps the fact that they did nothing about tackle before drafting Lang might also be evidence that they do believe he really can play tackle. Perhaps otherwise they'd have drafted someone else, or done something more urgent to put themselves in a place where they could procure somebody that they believed in as a good tackle prospect.

2. Good point that despite seemingly having drafted a zillion guards, that Lang might still be invaluable if he turns out to be a good guard. Coston, he's gone; Moll may be next. Spitz could move to center. Barbre may move to tackle or he may be cut. If both Spitz and Moll leave the guard ranks, then if Lang at guard would hardly be redundant.

It's also possible that if Lang did look good at guard, like a now or future starter, that could also make it easier for MM to reconsider his commitment to Colledge at guard. What if none of Geno/Barbre/Moll look acceptable at tackle, and Lang looks great at guard but not at tackle? Maybe Colledge would move after all, if they felt like they could replace him at guard with Lang. Or perhaps a year from now, if Lang looks built up and ready to roll at guard, but Clifton is cooked and we've got nobody to replace him, maybe than Colledge would move to LT and Lang would replace him at LG.

So I guess your point is quite true that if Lang did pan out as a quality guard, he could still be invaluable even if it's seemed that TT has already drafted a million.



Again, all good points. Hopefully he's the Clifton case, and GB sees that he can play tackle even if many others assume he needs to play guard. But if he's the Wahle case, and after some trial-and-error he ends up a premium guard, that would be just fine too. As you say, let him get on the field and sort out where he fits best.

I'm still concerned, though: some bodies needs to fit best at two tackle spots. Hard to execute a championship season if we can't protect Rodgers.

LT appears to be out of the question for Lang. I don't see the feet, at all. You really can't afford marginal feet at either tackle spot. He's a guard, all the way. The good news is that, unlike some of the recent mid round picks, he looks like he could be pretty good inside. Same goes for Merideth, he's not ideal for either tackle spot but looks athletic and physical enough to be a nice guard. With Colledge apparently entrenched at LG and Sitton poised to be the RG you have to wonder where Lang and Merideth ultimately fit in. It looks like we've got 1 tackle and a bunch of guards.

RT Prediction: The preseason struggles of Giacomini, Moll, Barbre and Merideth at RT, along with the solid play of Lang precipitates an 11th hour shuffle with Colledge moving to RT and Lang to LG.

I have seen some who think Lang could be a pretty good center tho he hasn't played the positiion. With Spitz and Colledge free agents next year he is good insurance at worst.

Well, the so-called expert on the PackerChatter chat tonight seemed to not only think that Lang could play tackle, he projected him to be the starter right off the bat this year. Probably a good reminder of how different guys see the same player and have different views on what they will or won't be able to do. Probably also a reminder of how even the so-called experts probably haven't watched zillions of hours on some mid-round prospect playing at some losing team in a mid-major conference.

I also went back and listened to Campen's comments. I'd only read snippets before that were published. Listening to him talk, he actually seemed rather enthusiastic about Lang, as a potential tackle. He addressed his possible ability to play other spots, but seemed to express a view that he could play tackle. (Whether he sitll feels that way after seeing him on the field and comparing him to other options, that of course remains to be seen.)

That's right tackle, obviously. No indication that they'd even dream of considering him for LT.

Anyway, will be fun to see it play out.

Lang sounds pretty versatile to me and can play a lot of positions.

Here is Scott Wright's comment on Lang;

Scott Wright: A three-year starter...Began his college career as a defensive tackle, accumulating 11 tackles and 0.5 for a loss in 11 games...Moved to the offensive line in 2006 and took over the right tackle job...Played left tackle in 2007 and 2008...Named 2nd Team All-MAC as a senior...A classic overachiever who could also project to offensive guard at the next level..Extremely underrated pro prospect with starting potential.

Look like Campen, Wes (the "so called expert" as you alluded to) and I'm sure others think he can also....we'll see.

I think that he'll definitely be in the mix for the starting RT position. Between Giocommini, Lang, Barbre, Moll and Preston there has to at least be one serviceable player for RT. To be perfectly honest though, in a lot of ways he reminds me of the Chargers All-Pro LG Kris Dielman. Very similar background and a similar playing style as well. I was very happy to get him in the 4th round.

Interesting place and player for you to be studying a guy's feet. (foot fetish? or are you related?)

I think Lang is likely a RT or Guard myself, but it is far too premature to write off any position before the guy has even practiced in shorts (or at all).

You can double that sentiment on Merideth, who has better feet than Clifton did coming into the league by most scouting reports.

Of course, "experts" scoffed at the Packers wasting a 7th on Tauscher, about whom actual professionals said: "I don't see the feet, at all. You really can't afford marginal feet at either tackle spot.He's a guard..." and a marginal backup at best."

If not for his injury I would pencil in Breno at RT with Lang backing him up and Moll getting the ax. But that surgery threw a wrench into things. Lang just LOOKS like a guard, he just looks stout.

Merideth is the biggest sleeper. He's tall, long arms, quick feet. It's going to be mental for him. Maybe I'm way off, but I see him with LT potential. Lots of talk out there that he's an a-hole and can be lazy. That's going to be the hurdle for him.

Could you link me to these multiple scouting reports that specifically cited Tauschers "marginal feet"? The consensus seemed to be just the opposite.

Tauschers Scouting report: Late bloomer with outstanding quickness and agility...Team's fastest lineman...Recently timed at 5.03 in the 40-yard dash...Versatile blocker who can fill in at any position on the front wall... Shows good explosion coming off the snap and fights hard to prevent defenders from gaining inside leverage...Has the foot agility to smoothly backpedal in pass protection...Makes solid contact on the move and maintains position vs. the defenders second moves.

Some profiles on Lang: 'Tweener?...Not a great athlete...Has short arms...Not very light on his feet...Stiff and isn't real agile...Doesn't use his hands well...Has some trouble sustaining blocks...Not a natural knee bender...Limited upside.

AFC scout: "Very strong guy. Tough kid. Runs well enough. May end up at guard because of the height. Can anchor. Little stiff. Problem with change of direction. Doesn't have really good feet. Probably fifth or sixth round."

NFC scout: "I couldn't get excited about him. Too stiff for me. Tough kid. Great kid. Good worker. He's a terrible space player. He should be a guard. But if you're running a pull system or a zone scheme he's going to struggle. Not a very good balance athlete."

Rivals: Not a great natural athlete. Shows some tightness in his movement, does not play with consistent knee bend and will fall off some blocks as a result. Lacks great agility. Does not always bring his feet with him on contact and relies too much on upper-body strength. Inconsistent hand use and extension. Regularly has matched up against lesser competition."

Lang doesn't compare with Tauscher as a tackle prospect, at all.

You got that part correct: Tauscher was a 7th round draft pick.

TJ Lang was a 4th round draft pick.

LMAO the scouts who thought so much of Tauscher (a one year starter at WI) that they watched film of Wisconsin and came away thinking McIntosh was a first-rounder and Tauscher was a seventh-rounder -- well actually, only Wolf and Green Bay's staff thought he was worthy of being drafted at all.

What you posted was the profile that packers.com wrote up on Tauscher (whom I like a lot) after GB drafted him.

The coaches and Wolf all admitted that Tauscher was a HUGE surprise to them.

Below you can look through Scott Wright's draft countdown rankings of prospects by position -- try and find Mark on the list.

2000 - Offensive Tackle

1. Chris Samuels, Alabama
2. Chris McIntosh, Wisconsin
3. Stockar McDougle, Oklahoma
4. Marvel Smith, Arizona St.
5. Todd Wade, Mississippi
6. Adrian Klemm, Hawaii
7. Michael Thompson, Tennessee St.
8. Bobby Williams, Arkansas
9. Darnell Alford, Boston College
10. Mark Baniewicz, Syracuse
11. Jonathan Gray, Texas Tech
12. Kareem Ellis, North Carolina
13. Tutan Reyes, Mississippi
14. John Blick, Penn St.
15. Adam Julch, Nebraska
16. Tim Conley, Sacramento St.
17. Robert Skapura, Louisiana Tech
18. Shane Cook, OT, Colorado
19. Gannon Shepherd, Duke
20. Greg Robinson-Randall, Michigan St.
21. Chase Raynock, Montana
22. Jason White, Oregon St.
23. Jon Carmen, Georgia Tech
24. Ryan Tujague, Washington St.
25. Harvey Goins, Northeast Louisiana
26. Pita Elisara, Indiana
27. Anthony Byrd, Louisville
28. Jim Stull, Delaware
29. Kurth Connell, Washington
30. Steve Estes, Colgate

2000 - Offensive Guard

1. Cosey Coleman, Tennessee
2. Travis Claridge, U.S.C.
3. Chad Clifton, Tennessee
4. Leander Jordan, Indiana (PA)
5. Ryan Johanningmeier, Colorado
6. Al Jackson, L.S.U.
7. Richard Mercier, Miami (FL)
8. Cooper Carlisle, Florida
9. Jeno James, Auburn
10. Kaulana Noa, Hawaii
11. Jason Thomas, Hampton
12. Matt Johnson, B.Y.U.
13. Mark Tauscher, Wisconsin
14. Brad Bedell, Colorado
15. Blane Saipaia, Colorado St.
16. Andy Vincent, Texas A&M
17. Joey Chustz, Louisiana Tech
18. Michael Moore, Troy St.
19. Steve Herndon, Georgia
20. Andrew Kline, San Diego St.
21. Terrance Beadles, Arkansas-Pine Bluff
22. Roger Roesler, Texas
23. Semisi Heimuli, Texas A&M
24. Jon Osterhout, Sacramento St.

You won't find Tauscher on this or any draft publication list as a real NFL prospect at tackle, but he is 14th at Guard

BTW look at what position they had Clifton projected to play as a pro...

My bad, turns out Tauscher was ranked 13th as a guard prospect, not 14th. Clifton who was seen as a Guard as well was ranked the 3rd best guard coming out in 2000.

Great find Bruce - interesting thing is how many of those names are still alive & kicking in the NFL anymore??? A few of the tackles maybe. Shows the longevity that Cliffy & Tausch have given us all these years, we should feel very fortunate.

Plus I see a couple ex-Packers (Adrian Klemm, Brad Bedell)

Very good find, Bruce.

It begs the question - what are the odds that GB would wind up the only guard prospects on that list that ever did anything... and not only that, but both guard prospects became outstanding tackles!

My guess is slim to none, and Larry Beightol had a lot to do with their development. Makes me wonder about our current group - maybe with some consistent coaching from a better OL coach they'd be better than they are today.

As for the selection of T J Lang OT> Most of these scouts are generally base and anchor type of scouts when it comes to evaluating OL> I read some scouts who are in place as scouts who like the ZBS system used by Green Bay. They evaluate OT a heck of a lot differently.

I remember all the snickering that went on when Green Bay took Tauscher. I remember reading from most that it was a foolish selection and that Tauscher was not quick enough to make it.

Currently I am in this position:

1) darn well better leave Darryn Colledge at LG. He has the talent and skills to be a Pro Bowler

2) I am hoping Clifton gives Green Bay 2 more solid years

3) Get Jamon Meredith in camp and begin the conditioning. He can be a future fixture at LT. The skills are there. One of the things that bothered him at South Carolina was never knowing what position he was going to play last year. As for character and attitude he was not a bother and was voted as one of the most likeable by his team mates.

4) from remembering Giacomini in college he might have the inside track at RT. Might need a season and half to develop Lang but I believe he eventually wins the RT slot.

5) between Allen Barbre and TJ Lang my money is on T J - Something about Barbre just does not sit well. I am hoping he is one of those OL who take 3 years to make the connection.

6) Josh Sitton is my RG. He turned that light on quickly and was beginning to play good RG for us late last season.

Good to see you posting Patty and thank you for your input. Additionally, I agree with you 100%. I'm excited for Colledge maning only the LG position, Sitton only at RG, and a 4-way heat between Brenno, Lang, Moll, and Barbre for RT (with Brenno winning this year). Also, from what I've read I see Meredith as a future stud at LT if the light ever comes on, but thats for 2010 or 2011.

The other position battle I'm actually excited for is Center with Spitz and Wells. Some people have all but assumed it Spitz to keep while on the flip side Wells has been described as the stabilizing force of the oline. I'm intrigued to see if the scrappy Wells as enough in him to hold of the more talented Spitz (with the loser probably being shown the door this year or next).

Wow.

I respect Patty's opinion. She's very knowledgeable and has connections and insight that most of us never will. With that said, there are often times that I disagree with a lot of her opinions. This is not one of those times. I agree with almost everything she said right there. Here's my ten random thoughts on the Offensive Line.

1. Colledge is starting to look like the player that the Packers were expecting when they drafted him in the 2nd round in 2006. Leaving him at one spot will help him to be more consistent.

2. Clifton has spoiled us with 8+ years of solid LT play. The team almost always struggles when he's been out of the lineup during his career, and if he's healthy I expect him to do an admirable job at it again in 2009.

3. I'm confident that Jamon Meredith is the answer to eventually replace Clifton as the starting LT for this team. He needs to get into camp and get to work, but the physical skills are there. I'm really excited about what kind of player he can eventually become for us. They need to put him at that spot and LEAVE HIM THERE. Let him sit behind Clifton for one or two years and develop into an NFL left tackle. Don't move him around at all. Use your other reserves to fill those roles.

4. I think that Spitz beats out Wells, and either Scott Wells or Duke Preston ends up sticking as the reserve C/G, but not both of them. Right now I have Preston winning the job because of a combination of Wells' lack of size and strength, his shaky injury history and because of the difference in age and salary.

5. Josh Sitton will lock up the RG spot like he did last year and his improved health will really help to solidify the offensive line and provide a significant push in the running game off of the right side again.

6. Even though he played OT in college, I had Twanger as the #3 OC prospect behind Mack and Unger. With that said, I think that he wins the starting RT spot and keeps it forever.

7. Giocomini has some intriguing qualities, but in terms of production and leadership I think that Lang is just the better player. He'll outwork and outplay everyone else and the job will be his. And he'll remind packer fans of Mark Tausher taking the RT spot when he was a rookie.

8. Allen Barbre makes a push to start at the RT spot as well, but gets outplayed by Lang. He makes the team and settles in as the top reserve at LG and the 2nd reserve at RT.

9. Tony Moll is the other odd man out. He's tough and mean and smart, but he's just limited in his ability to compete at the NFL level and the overall talent on the OL has improved to the point that there just aren't enough spots available to keep everyone. The only way I see him making the team is if someone above him suffers an injury in the preseason that opens up an extra spot. His versatility make that possible.

10. There will be better offensive line play this year. Players have been improving and I think that the added depth will go a long way towards improving consistency. Moving guys around was just a bother and it never let guys get settled into their positions and responsibilites. Now they should be able to concentrate at playing one position and not thinking so much about what they need to do. It should help to improve playing speeds and overall continuity for guys to play one spot and not get shuffled around due to injuries. Thank you depth guys. You don't know how much your versatility will help the new OL, even when you're not on the field.

Patty, hope this doesn't sound like I'm bugging you, but we're all excited to read your post-draft analysis...any idea when that might be coming? Thanks for all you do.



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See, this is what I don't understand. It seems every year a kid will slide because of some unfounded rumors. I'm glad we got this kid when we did. It was an absolute steal. But these rumors that a kid is this or that and causes him to slide ends up costing a guy millions of dollars. Matthews and Raji were both rumored to have tested positive. Neither one of them did. Would they have gone earlier? It's just unfair to these guys. I hope Meredith is out to make every team that passed on him regret it big time!

Patty, I agree with Packdaddy. I have been coming here every day to read your analysis of the draft. If I remember correctly, you were high on several of the players that Packers picked. Not trying to be a pest. Just anxious to read what you thought. Thanks!

Isn't this Clifton's last year on his contract? Meredith better learn quickly and bulk up!! And why have we already written off Gio????