What did we give to get Matthews I missed the trade and pick

our second and both thirds. I like the start to this draft. Quality over quantity baby!!!

I never, ever, thought this would happen. A second and two thirds for a 1st and a 5th. Not Tedlike at all. I guess I can do some chores tomorrow.

I just hope we get a DE in free agency. Other than that, I'm happy with what we're doing so far.

I am totally against this trade. They could have drafted a player nearly as good as Matthews with the 41st pick. Giving up a high 2nd round pick, a high 3rd round pick, and another 3rd round pick for a low 1st round pick and a 5th round pick makes no sense. This is a worse deal than any trade Sherman made when he traded up including when he drafted a punter. Now I understand why Thompson doesn't trade up very often. He's not good at it.

we traded two 3rds to move up 15 spots (41 --> 26). i know we got that 5th, but man, seems like we gave up a ton.

they must've loved this kid.

I'm inclined to agree with you. There were plenty of OLB available at 41. They must REALLY see something in Matthews.

On the bright side, both of our first two picks can start right away.

Get ready....

Packers send their lone second-round pick (41st) and both third-round picks (73 and 83) to New England for the 26th overall pick and a fifth-rounder (162).

41 (490)
73 (225)
83 (175)
890

for

26 (700)
162 (27.6)

727.6

Man, we got taken. Are we sure that the #83 is in there?

The trade is almost negative 175 points on the trade chart. Plus we know that NE wanted to trade down. I would have thought GB would get break for this, instead they get a lobsided deal. Let's hope TT was right and this guy is worth it...

I don't even care what the trade value was.

We got our 3-4 put together today, both our OLB and our NT (sounds like Pickett might slide to 3-4 DE? Probably Raji-Pickett will switch around some, with Jenkins on the other DE slot).

TT is DESPERATE. He sees his days numbered. THis is a hail mary. Belicheck just pantsed him. What a horrible trade. The reason NE is trading down is they see the depth in the draft. Like trading up BUTTTT, why give up so much. THis is as bad as the Harrel pic. TT has got to go. This guy is just erratic. I gave him a lot of rope but this is ridiculous. He is in love with Linebackers. Overpaid for barnett if FA, hawk is so=so, wayyyy overpaid for Poppinga. Our LB's were the best paid and most disappointing part of a really bad season. I just want this guy GONE>

I think that Sinton virginia og Barwin would be there in the second round.

Patty has Matthews in her Emerald Group.

http://www.packerchatters.com/draft/pattys...Value-Board.pdf

Very solid choice.

Ya we may have given up a little but you have to do that to get back up in the first and get the guy you want.

Jimmy Johnson has been universally considered to be one of the all time great drafters and team architects.

He believed in targeting a select number of guys that you really believe in, and then manipulating the draft to get those guys.

This seems to be what Ted has done this year.

Yes, it does seem like we gave up a lot to move up to get Matthews. But obviously they are in love with him.

I also just looked on JSO and Bob McGinn had Matthews rated as the #12 overall prospect, ahead of Orakpo.

Not too shabby.

I think Thompson determined that we needed we needed two starters out of this draft instead of more developmental or backup guys. I think he got what he wanted, both these guys will probably start with Matthews maybe sharing time with Poppinga. TT did what he had to do even though it was somewhat costly.

Lets hope Matthews can get the QB.

Man oh man Now I see why the Patriots are so good. They take total advantage of other teams stupidity like ours. Talk about getting fleeced and drastically overpaying. They get three picks for a late round 1st round pick and we get a fifth from them which odds of being on roster are slim at best. Someone please check the point charts. Mathews better be starting at olb at the start of the season. Was this trade ran by any people in the war room. So out of this draft we will only get two players that will have any impact on this team next season. There is no sense if even bothering to see what marginal players at best we draft tomorrow. So we will come out of this draft with no OL help at all. The only OL people available will be reaches at best. Everybody complained about Sherman trade to get Sanders . How is this one any better. I guess we will have to wait to see the other picks. This trade is good in one way. We won't have to worry about tomorrows picks affecting our family time. There won't be any reason to see who we pick just read about them in the newspaper or on the net. Grading this draft is going to be interesting

For starters, it was for a top 15 talent in th first, as opposed to a punter 2 rounds too early

I could accept it more if we would of kept one of our two thirds and given them our second our low third and a fifth

The Patriots have moved up many times in the past couple years and have given up many draft positions . TT has done what the Patriots have done this year and has come under scrunity every time. Last year alone TT traded out out he 1st to pick up 2 2nd rounders Nelson and Brohm. He didnt get fleeced What do you want a bunch of role players that have potential or player that will compete from day 1?

A fast aggressive OLB with some burst, a pedigree, and a mean streak. I can't complain. Man, we have a lot of money and high picks in our LB corp.

patty i see you viewing this, what do you think??? personally i like it, ted reached out and is grabbing the brass ring.

Which is where it should be when you run the 3-4

Yes, we gave up alot....BUT these past TT drafts have been a ton of picks and few "impact" makers. I like this draft. Raji and Matthews are both solid right away starters and I think it was worth the risk. This is against the grain, but it may be that win now attitude we have been missing.

Re: all the complaining about the trade value:

Throw your draft numbers charts out the window. Anyone who has been watching for the past couple hours can see that they DO NOT APPLY today, not that they ever were applied rigidly by teams in the first place, and teams are having to do more to get up to where they want to be.

Those looking to trade up have been getting "taken" all day long.

Ted finally saw someone he thought was a star and went up to grab him. I would think there would be dancing in the streets given how the last couple drafts have gone.

I like the trade and as noted I am not on real Thompson supporter. You play in this league to win now and the defense just got better and that was the main issue last year.

I'm not against Matthews at all - other than the fact that he has 10 career starts.

What really really ticks me off to no end is that TT is going to shove another 4th or 5th round OT pick down my throat, and expect me to swallow the fact that it will be an answer for the HUGE gaping hole we have at RT this year and the other huge hole we will have at LT next year. Barbres and Molls dont cut it Ted - get a frickin clue.

Oh really?

Who is the other DE besides Jenkins?

Can AK play elephant?

Do you really trust Barnett and Hawk on the inside?

But on offense, who is the RT to protect AR?

Who is the go to TE?

Right now, Connor Barwin, Clint Sintim and Beatty are still on the board. As is Jarron Gilbert, and Shawn Nelson.

But we do not have a pick until the fourth round.

Well, at least we have two fifths and two sixths. TT will get at least two starters there right? (Smile)

Bill Polin is considered to be a HOF GM. I read that he thought this was ond of the worse drafts he can ever remember for talnet. So then why not get rid of later round picks for the upper level talnet that is there. I love the pick.

Yeah, because it is not a good draft, you should be giving less in points, not more!

I want quality not a bunch of hopefuls

I love the idea the Matthews is going to come in and learn from Kevin Greene. He already has an attitude, but with Greene motivating him, he will only get better.

Is it just me, or is this link not working? In fact, I can't find any of Patty's stuff from the Front Page drop down menu anymore.

DITTO

Exactly. I am tired of all these picks just fading away a year or two later.

I like the idea of Matthews at olb. 2 thirds to move up to get the guy you want doesn't seem like too much. Hopefully he's as good at the nfl level as people think.

DE can still be bolstered in free agency. That's ok.

Bolstering the OL becomes tricky. If Breno steps up and Cliffy comes back strong, then developmental late round picks will be all that's needed, especially if Taucher eventually re-signs and can play well. A lot of ifs there.

I just worry that the upgrade at OLB will cause us to be quite thin on the OL this year. I hope Matthews comes through as the stud that would justify that risk.

Hello

I am with the nay sayers. I have nothing against the kid Matthews, but I have alot against what we gave for him.

Makes no sense at all especially in this draft.

Thanks

Wolfman 24

The thing that scares me is that he only weighed 165 as a freshman. So he gained like 80 pounds. I just hope mthey did a background check on this guy!! Didn't he have the fastest shuttle time out of all the linebackers?

I always get a kick out of people who cite "draft value" like they're playing a video game.

The only "value" these picks have is if the players you use them on contribute on the field. TT obviously liked this kid a whole lot more than he liked those picks, and we all know he loves draft picks.

The Packers are officially rebuilt -- they have a solid core team. Now we don't need a ton of picks to spend taking chances on guys who may or may not pan out, now we're hunting playmakers.

I really like the Matthews pick, but can not shake that the trade value was bad. Especially seeing that Brown, Sintim, and Barwin were on the board for what would have been GB's pick. I am not sure I think Matthews is that much better than any of these guys, and could have taken a few O linemen in the third. I hope that he turns out, because if he doesn't he will be a prime target, for looking at what else GB could have had.

He will be good, but he should be great for what it cost.

shades of ms

1. Yes, really.

2. Raji/Pickett. Both of them have the athleticism to play some 3-4 DE. And indeed there are some pieces of news coming out on the JSOnline blog that Pickett might get some time across from Jenkins at DE.

3. Yes.

4. Yes.

5. Not sure where you got anything in my post about offense or offensive line. That being said, I assume they at least believe they have someone who can play it, or have their eyes on someone who they believe will still be there when they next pick. Or they believe they will at least be able to move up to get said player in round 3 or something.

6. We actually had one of the better offenses in the NFL last year, with Donald Lee and Jermichael Finley, believe it or not. And Donald Lee even had kind of a down year compared to 2007.

7. I'll trust the packers' valuations over your valuations of OLBs, no offense. Obviously the organization fell in love with Matthews and thinks he will be something special, and did not think that way with all the people that you mentioned as on the board.

Huh? Most say this is a VERY poor draft with little talent in it.

I just watched Kevin Greene on Packers.com and he is excited about Matthews. Said he sees a physical guy that will only get better. And after listening to him, he had better work hard or Greene will be all over him. And Greene looks like he can still play. He is a big man and looks in great shape.

The draft was missing *top* talent, but the midround guys are as promising as they always are.

TT obviously thought that there was a big dropoff after the first round, however, otherwise he wouldn't have traded the pick. What gives me confidence in the trade is exactly how much TT obviously covets draft picks -- he wouldn't just throw them away on a lark (unlike some other GMs I can think of).

TT and his guys have watched the film on this guy and obviously decided to target him. I assume they did this for a good reason.

http://packerchatters.com/draft/pattys_rep...Value-Board.pdf

What you Get with Clay Matthews III is a pedigree. His Grandfather Clay Matthews was a NFL player. His Father Clay Matthews Jr. had a very good NFL career. His Uncle Bruce Matthews is an NFL Hall of Famer (I believe Bruce was a teammate with Ted Thompson). It is like the Manning Pedigree.

From what I have seen, Clay Matthews III is a lightening rod. He was the most intense LB of the big 3 USC LBs.

Bruce Matthews - 17 years in the NFL, 14 Pro Bowls
Clay Matthews - 19 years in the NFL, 4 Pro Bowls, 12th most games played

ditto