http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...ex.html?eref=T1

At this point, I'm kind of expecting a trade down. If we can somehow muster the Pats 1st round pick, plus their 1st pick in the 2nd round, that would be huge.

The Pats first pick in round 2 is the 34th overall pick so it wouldnt be that. Its the 23rd and 47th overall picks for 9th overall.

So that would give Green Bay the 23, 43, and 47 pick on the first day. I wonder who they would take...

At 23 they could take one of the RBs like Moreno or Wells (or at least it would be easier to handle) or it could be a OLB like English, Barwin, Matthews if their there.

Maybe OT but Britton is likely taken right beore us (Min is at 22) unless the rumors are true an they take Harvin. O we could reach for Beatty.

Would give us a good shot at adding 3 players that could help us right away instead of just 2.

Plus I wonder who he Pats want? Jackson, Raji......... Probably Jenkins because thy have so many secondary issues

* I would either ask that the 47 pick be the 34 pick or for them to throw in their 3rd round pick, 89, that way we only lose in this deal by 20 pts instead of like 300 pts (at least if you go by the value chart)

Just caught wind of this via the patsfan.com and rotoworld. Looks like the Pats want to get into the top ten and are offering #23 and #47. Looks like the Jags and Pack slots are the ones they are targeting. My guess would be one of the OT's?

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patrio...king-page3.html

If the value chart has any meaning, it would have to be #23 and #34 to be close to #9. Also, we have #41 in round 2, not #43.

Oops thats right. 41.

But yeah unless Ted doesnt want in the top ten ( meaning he doesnt wan to py op ten money) New England would have to change that 47 in 34 or add their 3rd (89) to the deal.

23, 34 and 41 isnt a bad.

I would just wonder who they would take. If this is the case I really want Moreno at 23

Or... He trades #23 to Carolina for Peppers.

If anything I would trade 34 for Peppers. If you really badly wanted Peppers. But its unlikely Peppers is traded unless he signs his tender which he hasnt done until then he cant be traded.

I would take that in a heartbeat!!!!

I would be really happy with Moreno at 23. I'd also be happy with English or Matthews there as well. I could see Ted doing this since I highly doubt he wants to take a chance on paying a possibly marginal player top ten money. This has Ted Thompson written all over it.

I would love that trade. If we could land Beatty or Meredith plus Jarron Gilbert in the 2nd, that would be quite a haul. That would free us up in the 3rd to take a shot at players that would make the team more dangerous offensively, like a Chase Coffman, etc. Hope it happens.

Sounds like a Teddy deal to me and to be honest I dont really care for it.

There are a couple impact players we could grab at #9 like Jackson or Jenkins and I would rather have them.

Since Im expecting a trade down though picking up another #2 wouldnt be a bad idea.

I'd shoot for that 23+34 combo, even if we need to throw in a very late rounder this year or next.

Oh the draft, I love this time of the year. make the trade, I believe the more late first / second round players the better off the packers are.

I think that pick #9 could be a good place to trade. The big contracts start dropping at #8 and another big dropoff at #9 from what I saw last year.

It will all depend on who is on the board. If Sanchez lasts that long - Denver, Washington and the Jets might want to trade up. If Crabtree is there, I could see Philly moving up for him. The Patriots have so much fire-power with 3 2nd round picks and 2 3rd round picks that I can see them moving up - not sure for whom, but they could be a good trade partner, too.

That's a pretty good drop, though -- definitely moves you down in the sort of player you can get based on the current rankings.

Of course, TT has historically had luck late in the first round (Rodgers) and in the second (Collins, Jennings, Jordy Nelson), so...

pass unless the pats put in the the 3rd pick in the 2nd round along with there 1st

Reading Gosselins report on his top 100, I would easilly make this trade. All those top ten guys would have probably been drafted at the bottom of last years draft. I would feel a lot better being at the bottom of the round where Teddly can do his magic!! And I am on board for Moreno!!

I'm totally OK with this.

Grab Beatty, English(or Barwin), and Brace in the first two rounds.

Boom, boom, boom.

Stupid question here but the Patriots are targeting Tyson Jackson with the pick who is said to be the best 3-4 DE in the draft.

We run the 3-4...

Call me crazy but shouldnt we be going after him instead of looking for another #2 pick?

I understand your reasoning but I guess the question for me would be, would either Raji or Jackson be better than a combination of say Knowshon Moreno/Clay Matthews/Britton with # 23 plus perhaps Beatty/Barwin/English, etc with # 34? I think either Raji or Jackson at 9 would STILL cost more than those 2 combined wouldn't they? Personally, I'm not so sure Raji or Jackson could be better than the other two combined. Nothing against those two guys. I just think this could be a great trade for GB. JMO, of course.

I'd do this in a heartbeat.

Mathews/Moreno + Beatty/Gilbert > choices and $ at #9

People say its a weak class, but I really like the idea of taking NTs and DEs later in the draft since they don't need to start unless there's an injury. Sammie Lee Hill, Baker, Taylor, Scott, Knighton, Egboh, Sulak, Potter, etc are big bodies that can play the run.

I agree. People are comparing Jackson to Richard Seymour. I'm inclined to think that he might be worth pouncing on, if he's there. Besides, the odds of drafting a Pro Bowler plunges once you get outside of the top-20, and the top-20 is slightly skewed towards the top-10.

Hopefully, it's going to be a while before the next time we're picking in a slot with a 50% chance of landing an eventual Pro Bowl player.

Here's my thoughts on this... Patriots would trade the #8 or #9 for Peppers... Carolina would be looking for Orakpo to replace Peppers. Carolina does not have the Ammo to move into the top of #1, and their probably are no trading partners in the top 10 that want Peppers.

The Patriots would NEVER do a deal like this early if they didn't already have something up their sleeve.

If it would guarantee that the Packers 3 picks would be Beatty, English and Brace I'd be all over this.......

Stay pat and draft the top defensive player or OL still on the board. Outside of the top 15, all of the elite talents will already be gone. I've been worried for some time that the Patriots might use their draft pick firepower to move up into the early part of the first round and snatch an elite guy right in front of us. Looks like that might very well be the case here.

The Jags reportedly want to get rid of the #8 pick, even if they have to trade it at a discounted price.

I think the Pats are about to snatch somebody right before our pick.

Heck i would do #9 for #23 #47 and #58 as that would give TT 4 picks i the top two rounds and knowing how TT works he would flip that last second for a early third and 4th
IF we did a trade with NE and kept all those picks
#23 C Wells RB
#41 J Gilbert DE
#47 L Sidbury OLB
#58 S Martin CB

Well, if Tyson Jackson is Richard Seymour than KC will take him. That's why this trade should wait until draft day. See how 1-8 falls and then get the picks.

I wonder if we could trade Al Harris in this deal too.

Packers give #9 (1,350), #218, and Al Harris

and get

Patriots #23 (760), #34 (560), #97 (112)


Then we could go

#23 Eben Britton OT
#34 Connor Barwin OLB
#41 Jarron Gilbert DE
#73 Chase Coffman TE
#83 Coye Francies CB
#97 Terrance Taylor NT
#109 Sammie Lee Hill DL
#145 Seth Olsen OL
#182 Frantz Joseph ILB
#187 Devin Moore RB

Im only on board if we can upgrade that 47 to 34 or if not then New England has to throw in a third round pick, 89. I mean come on we cant just give the 9th overall pick up for peanuts here. Any other draft we probably can get more. If the deal is 23 and 47 boom bottomline, I say pass and take Jackson or Raji or Orakpo. If they are willing to upgrade the deal than I would take it. Then I would draft like this:

23: Moreno/Wells RB (depending on whos there)

34: Louis Delmas S

41: English/Barwin/Sintim OLB

73: Gerald Cadogan OT

83: Chris Baker NT

Unless the Packers are looking to take someone like Jarron Gilbert in the second round.

You're on it WCH, The Jags are in financial straights, teams trading up are going to talk to the Jags who will give up that #8 pick for a song. Unless there is another team wanting to trade up, Jacksonville at 8 is where you'll find the best deal. If Thompson drives a hard bargain, a team could move up to 8 and get a better deal.

Are the Pats deep at any position that they could throw a player in to the mix as well? So we give them #9, and we get 23, 34 and a player?

Even if it's just someone for depth, I'd do that trade.

I don't want to retype so forgive the copy/paste, but in that thread the other day on the article about 10 potential draft day shockers, this was my comment....

#8 Patriots trading up
They have (3) 2nds to play with as ammunition to move up in the first - #23 and #34 for #9. We pass on a top 10 pick in a draft we're everyone's trying to bail anyway and get to make 3 picks within a spread of 19 (23,34,41) - potentially giving us 3 instant contributors.
OLB/DE, OT, and?

I still feel this way and have for a while. We may miss out on the top 10 and even potential teen picks like Jackson (maybe not any more) but thats THREE players bang-bang-bang that would be contributing right away.
English? Beatty? maybe one of the USC linebackers?
It is enticing IMO

I think we're forgetting about another DE that Thompson apparently likes -- Robert Ayers.

He could be the pick at 23, Barwin at 34, and an OT or NT with the next pick.

I agree. The Patriots really seem to know what they are doing when picking defensive players in the 1st round for the 3-4. If they really want Jackson we should just stay at #9 and draft the guy. If Bellichick is willing to part with one of his beloved 2nd round picks to get Jackson, he must be pretty good. I really think we should just stay at #9. Its a pretty good spot to be in. I feel sorry for the teams that are in the Top 6 but #9 is a pretty good spot to be in. The Top 15 prospects of this draft are pretty similar in value so being in the middle of the pack and not having to give up too much bonus money is pretty good. While the Top 15 are very similar I think there definitely is a drop off once you get down to #20. Again, if the Patriots are interested in moving up into the Top 10, I think its silly to say that there isn't a drop off from #9 to #23. The Patriots are smart and rarely do they get burned on deals. If you are making a deal with the Patriots, chances are you are the one getting burned. Since TT doesn't have any experience fielding defensive players for the 3-4 he should take whatever tips he can. In this case, the tip from one of the better 3-4 teams is that there is a player they really want. TT, draft this player. Don't move down. The Packers biggest defensive need is a 3-4 DE. There is a really good one available. We should grab him.

I'd be all for a trade like this. It would allow us to add another guy who should be a big contributor and possibly let us take a guy like Wells/Moreno in addition to adding 2 of OT/LB/DE/DT. Give us a "luxury" pick along with getting 2 guys who we need. There should be a lot of guys available to us in that 20-40 range that TT would be interested in. Maybe a perfect scenario has Crabtree and Jackson would both be on the board. That way, if Jacksonville would trade their pick in front of us, we'd still have buyers for #9 no matter which way #8 ends up going.

I'd be willing to bet TT has a partial right now

Heat

Don't forget Capers coached there last year with NE and he knows their roster.

Unless of course the guy the Pats really want is Jenkins, and they're trying to scare us into drafting Jackson, thereby pushing Jenkins down the board and putting them in a position to give up less to make a trade up....

How deliciously cunning of them! Muahahahahaha!

If TT could pull that off, our defense would be a completely different and MUCH improved unit next year. Like I said before, I could get on board with this move real quick. Can't wait until the draft!

I would normally agree with you but this year the Pats are without Scott Pioli. Since it is now just Belichick I will be curious to see what kind of success they have. They certainly have had enormous success in the past but what was Pioli and what was Belichick? In order for Jackson to be available at #9, he must get past the Chiefs at #3 - so therefore Pioli will have passed. What does that say about Jackson? Not to say Jackson's good or bad, just that N.E's front office may not be the draft success machine they were in the past.

The fun of the draft - GMs trying to outguess and outsmart each other. If it was me in the room making the pick, I wait til I'm on the clock and see who's there. If I like Jackson (or someone else that's available at 9) a lot, if I think he's so dynamic that you can't pass on him, then I just take him and get ready for my next pick. If I look at it and see a few guys that would be really nice to have, but I can possibly add 2 guys who I think are just a slight step down from this one guy I could take at 9, I probably trade back.

All I know is that, short of picking a QB, nothing TT does with his first pick will surprise me. Upset/infuriate me - that's an entirely different story

Now that just makes too much sense. Depending on who's available of course, We could have an opportunity to grab the best 3/4 defensive end in the draft in Jackson, a stud DT in Raji, an beast in Orakpo or a franchise tackle and here we are dinking around trying to get more picks (quantity over quality). Somebody please explain to me how this team needs 10-11 rookies on it because I just don't get it. I'm surprised at the amount of pro-trade down talk so I guess we're in the minority on this one Luvda. We don't want to be in the top ten very often so why don't we draft top ten talent while we can?

I only do this deal on draft day. The top of this draft could get a bit squirrely with teams trying to trade out and teams trying to move up to get a QB. I'd at least want to see how those first 3-5 picks go before doing the deal.

I don't know what N.E. wants up there. My personal preference has become either A.Smith or Jackson at #9 and I'm not inclined to part with it unless it's a good deal. I think I'd really want to make sure I get #34 in the deal even if it means parting with the "Favre" pick or our 4th to make it a good deal for them. There are some guys I think will go early in Rd 2 before #47. Guys like English, Barwin and Gilbert are fairly likely to all be gone by #47, but it's much more likely one or two are there at #34. I want to give myself the best shot at landing one of them.

I think the argument is whether their is any top 10 talent in this draft. Also, what is the difference in talent between #9 & #24, if those players are on the same tier - why not get another player as well? I see your point but from what I read (I am no scout so I can only go on what I read) there isn't a lot of elite talent at the top of this draft. That's why I would be open to a trade down.

How much of a difference in quality/potential is there between Tyson Jackson and Jarron Gilbert?

I'm on the fence with this option--provided it's even real, of course. T.Jack has really grown on me. But I think the reason you're finding so many people who would approve of a trade-down is because this year there are few, if any, real "locks" out there. I understand that's the situation every year, but there have been dozens of columns all over ESPN, CBS Sports, FOX Sports, the NFL Network, etc., written on the lack of any sure things this year. I guess to answer your question, "We don't want to be in the top ten very often so why don't we draft top ten talent while we can," I would say this: We're not sure that by drafting in the top ten, we're guaranteed to be getting top ten talent, and I can see how picking up an extra player or two in Rounds 2-3 will grant us more chances to find someone really worthwhile. In a year where the talent, and potential impact, of most of these guys is more ambiguous than ever, the more lottery tickets you buy, the better your chance of winning.

Looks like while I was writing my post, others were writing the same thing....

I'm no scout either but the chances of getting the best player you can is higher picking at 9 rather than 24, it only makes sense. I have a hard time believing none of the players available at 9 could be elite players in this league. I'd hate to give another team (especially the Patriots) a gift wrapped stud so we can get lesser talent. This is exactly the kind of thing the Patriots do to remain in the elite class of the NFL (spare me the missing the playoffs last year argument). We're always clamoring for more talent on the team, here's our chance, yet so many seem willing to take chances on more later picks. It could work out in our favor but all Thompsons trading down has got us to 31-33 so I guess I've just grown extremely weary of that strategy.

I think there affter BJ I think wolfork is in the last year of his deal?? BJ helps this year starts next year

I never said that they couldn't be elite players, I just said that from what I read the talent level isn't what you would normally expect with the #9 pick. IMO, it really comes down to how Thompson and his staff have these guys rated. If they feel that Jackson could be special, then there would be no way I would want them to make this trade but if they feel he is slightly better than 10 other guys, why not trade down?

Guz just because the Pats trade up doesnt mean their going to get a stud. Heck last time they traded up with Green Bay who got the stud?

NE: Chad Jackson

GB: Greg Jennings

Easy call right there.


It depends on Ted's board. If there is better value at 23 for Ted and he doesnt feel like anyone at 9 is all that special I can see him making the deal.