I have a very busy Friday, so I thought I'd do this today.
I have gone back and forth on this stuff over and over and I have came upon the conclusion that we cannot miss on this draft. If we screw up this draft we are in some trouble. I think we have quite a few holes and I believe that Ted Thompson's theory of shoring up holes internally will not change any time soon.
We put a lot of pressure on our drafts. And with the change from 4-3 to 3-4, many of the real staples of our future defense (DLine, OLB) as well as our aging position of extreme need (OT), the pressure to find the hole-fillers in this draft is as high as ever.
Therefore, I really feel that this draft cannot be a "boom or bust" prospect laden draft. We have to find solid, if not spectacular, good fits who may not turn into all pros, but won't turn into a bust either.
Best example I can think of is Aaron Maybin. This guy could be an absolutely amazing OLB in a 3-4. But his bust factor is quite high as well.
There are just way too many rumor-esque (and TT track record) thoughts going through my head not to at least take into consideration a trade down scenario as well. So, here goes. A bit of a crap shoot, so I provide multiple options, just in case.
Round 1
Hope: BJ Raji NT
Settle: Tyson Jackson DE
I want my first round pick to be either DLine, OLine or OLB. I think those are going to be the biggest determining factor of how we do as a team in the near future. Build from the line and move out from there. We've ignored that far too long. Lots of options even with that thought. Each one I looked at, I discarded.
Michael Oher? I question his pass protection and don't think he's good enough of a "lock". Andre Smith? Question his heart, bust potential high. Brian Orakpo? Love him, but can't be absolutely sure he can make the 3-4 OLB transition. Malcolm Jenkins, SOLID! but I question his speed and I look at the really solid 3-4 teams and honestly, they make due pretty well with decent, but not great CB's. Aaron Maybin, see above, bust potential high.
If BJ Raji is there, I cannot think of a guy who fits the 3-4 NT slot as perfectly as he does. And I think that's the most important slot on the DLine in this new defense. His bust potential seems VERY low. And he even has quite a bit of upside with his quickness and pass rush ability. I really fell in love with the guy in the last few weeks. And the difference in the Baltimore Defense after Haloti Ngata took over was like night and day. I want that as well.
Raji likely won't be there. So, if not, I take Tyson Jackson and smile. Is there a guy out there who has less of a bust potential then Jackson? Solid, not spectacular. Perfect size. Perfect frame. Perfect strength. Fits the 3-4 DE slot to a "t". Grab him, put him at one of the DE slots from day one. Call it a day! Yay! I am totally ok with this. I don't love Tyson Jackson as a prospect, but I have so little doubt that he can be a darn good 3-4 DE, I feel absolutely satisfied bringing him in.
If we trade down, Tyson Jackson is my number one target without a question.
Round 2
dream: Eben Britton OT
wish: Larry English DE/OLB
settle: Clint Stintim OLB
I have a theory that Aaron Maybin is going to drop and be available at this spot, but I won't get THAT crazy. Eben Britton would be my dream scenario as a solid, not likely to bust, smart football Tackle. Solid guy, solid character, smart kid. End of story.
If not, I do like Larry English, again, however, I think he'll be gone by the time the Packers pick. I have some concern at his speed and if he can transition to the 3-4.
Therefore, I pick Clint Stintim. He's another absolutely-no-questions type of prospect. He has played the 3-4 as an OLB. No character questions. No transition issues. No doubt he can play the position. Take him, plug him in at ROLB opposite Aaron Kampman and there's almost no doubt he'll be at least average. I also am predicting with almost a mortal lock that this pick will be a trade down. I think Stintim will still be there where we trade down to pick.
Two gaping, massive, horrible holes filled. Now those guys that have potential (Jason Hunter, Jeremy Thompson, Justin Harrell, Alfred Malone) can still have "potential" but not have to be counted on. I'm ok with that.
round 3a and 3b coming soon
Full Version: My Packers Draft
QUOTE (faede @ Apr 24 2009, 12:36 AM) 
I have a very busy Friday, so I thought I'd do this today.
I have gone back and forth on this stuff over and over and I have came upon the conclusion that we cannot miss on this draft. If we screw up this draft we are in some trouble. I think we have quite a few holes and I believe that Ted Thompson's theory of shoring up holes internally will not change any time soon.
We put a lot of pressure on our drafts. And with the change from 4-3 to 3-4, many of the real staples of our future defense (DLine, OLB) as well as our aging position of extreme need (OT), the pressure to find the hole-fillers in this draft is as high as ever.
Therefore, I really feel that this draft cannot be a "boom or bust" prospect laden draft. We have to find solid, if not spectacular, good fits who may not turn into all pros, but won't turn into a bust either.
Best example I can think of is Aaron Maybin. This guy could be an absolutely amazing OLB in a 3-4. But his bust factor is quite high as well.
There are just way too many rumor-esque (and TT track record) thoughts going through my head not to at least take into consideration a trade down scenario as well. So, here goes. A bit of a crap shoot, so I provide multiple options, just in case.
Round 1
Hope: BJ Raji NT
Settle: Tyson Jackson DE
I want my first round pick to be either DLine, OLine or OLB. I think those are going to be the biggest determining factor of how we do as a team in the near future. Build from the line and move out from there. We've ignored that far too long. Lots of options even with that thought. Each one I looked at, I discarded.
Michael Oher? I question his pass protection and don't think he's good enough of a "lock". Andre Smith? Question his heart, bust potential high. Brian Orakpo? Love him, but can't be absolutely sure he can make the 3-4 OLB transition. Malcolm Jenkins, SOLID! but I question his speed and I look at the really solid 3-4 teams and honestly, they make due pretty well with decent, but not great CB's. Aaron Maybin, see above, bust potential high.
If BJ Raji is there, I cannot think of a guy who fits the 3-4 NT slot as perfectly as he does. And I think that's the most important slot on the DLine in this new defense. His bust potential seems VERY low. And he even has quite a bit of upside with his quickness and pass rush ability. I really fell in love with the guy in the last few weeks. And the difference in the Baltimore Defense after Haloti Ngata took over was like night and day. I want that as well.
Raji likely won't be there. So, if not, I take Tyson Jackson and smile. Is there a guy out there who has less of a bust potential then Jackson? Solid, not spectacular. Perfect size. Perfect frame. Perfect strength. Fits the 3-4 DE slot to a "t". Grab him, put him at one of the DE slots from day one. Call it a day! Yay! I am totally ok with this. I don't love Tyson Jackson as a prospect, but I have so little doubt that he can be a darn good 3-4 DE, I feel absolutely satisfied bringing him in.
If we trade down, Tyson Jackson is my number one target without a question.
Round 2
dream: Eben Britton OT
wish: Larry English DE/OLB
settle: Clint Stintim OLB
I have a theory that Aaron Maybin is going to drop and be available at this spot, but I won't get THAT crazy. Eben Britton would be my dream scenario as a solid, not likely to bust, smart football Tackle. Solid guy, solid character, smart kid. End of story.
If not, I do like Larry English, again, however, I think he'll be gone by the time the Packers pick. I have some concern at his speed and if he can transition to the 3-4.
Therefore, I pick Clint Stintim. He's another absolutely-no-questions type of prospect. He has played the 3-4 as an OLB. No character questions. No transition issues. No doubt he can play the position. Take him, plug him in at ROLB opposite Aaron Kampman and there's almost no doubt he'll be at least average. I also am predicting with almost a mortal lock that this pick will be a trade down. I think Stintim will still be there where we trade down to pick.
Two gaping, massive, horrible holes filled. Now those guys that have potential (Jason Hunter, Jeremy Thompson, Justin Harrell, Alfred Malone) can still have "potential" but not have to be counted on. I'm ok with that.
round 3a and 3b coming soon
I have gone back and forth on this stuff over and over and I have came upon the conclusion that we cannot miss on this draft. If we screw up this draft we are in some trouble. I think we have quite a few holes and I believe that Ted Thompson's theory of shoring up holes internally will not change any time soon.
We put a lot of pressure on our drafts. And with the change from 4-3 to 3-4, many of the real staples of our future defense (DLine, OLB) as well as our aging position of extreme need (OT), the pressure to find the hole-fillers in this draft is as high as ever.
Therefore, I really feel that this draft cannot be a "boom or bust" prospect laden draft. We have to find solid, if not spectacular, good fits who may not turn into all pros, but won't turn into a bust either.
Best example I can think of is Aaron Maybin. This guy could be an absolutely amazing OLB in a 3-4. But his bust factor is quite high as well.
There are just way too many rumor-esque (and TT track record) thoughts going through my head not to at least take into consideration a trade down scenario as well. So, here goes. A bit of a crap shoot, so I provide multiple options, just in case.
Round 1
Hope: BJ Raji NT
Settle: Tyson Jackson DE
I want my first round pick to be either DLine, OLine or OLB. I think those are going to be the biggest determining factor of how we do as a team in the near future. Build from the line and move out from there. We've ignored that far too long. Lots of options even with that thought. Each one I looked at, I discarded.
Michael Oher? I question his pass protection and don't think he's good enough of a "lock". Andre Smith? Question his heart, bust potential high. Brian Orakpo? Love him, but can't be absolutely sure he can make the 3-4 OLB transition. Malcolm Jenkins, SOLID! but I question his speed and I look at the really solid 3-4 teams and honestly, they make due pretty well with decent, but not great CB's. Aaron Maybin, see above, bust potential high.
If BJ Raji is there, I cannot think of a guy who fits the 3-4 NT slot as perfectly as he does. And I think that's the most important slot on the DLine in this new defense. His bust potential seems VERY low. And he even has quite a bit of upside with his quickness and pass rush ability. I really fell in love with the guy in the last few weeks. And the difference in the Baltimore Defense after Haloti Ngata took over was like night and day. I want that as well.
Raji likely won't be there. So, if not, I take Tyson Jackson and smile. Is there a guy out there who has less of a bust potential then Jackson? Solid, not spectacular. Perfect size. Perfect frame. Perfect strength. Fits the 3-4 DE slot to a "t". Grab him, put him at one of the DE slots from day one. Call it a day! Yay! I am totally ok with this. I don't love Tyson Jackson as a prospect, but I have so little doubt that he can be a darn good 3-4 DE, I feel absolutely satisfied bringing him in.
If we trade down, Tyson Jackson is my number one target without a question.
Round 2
dream: Eben Britton OT
wish: Larry English DE/OLB
settle: Clint Stintim OLB
I have a theory that Aaron Maybin is going to drop and be available at this spot, but I won't get THAT crazy. Eben Britton would be my dream scenario as a solid, not likely to bust, smart football Tackle. Solid guy, solid character, smart kid. End of story.
If not, I do like Larry English, again, however, I think he'll be gone by the time the Packers pick. I have some concern at his speed and if he can transition to the 3-4.
Therefore, I pick Clint Stintim. He's another absolutely-no-questions type of prospect. He has played the 3-4 as an OLB. No character questions. No transition issues. No doubt he can play the position. Take him, plug him in at ROLB opposite Aaron Kampman and there's almost no doubt he'll be at least average. I also am predicting with almost a mortal lock that this pick will be a trade down. I think Stintim will still be there where we trade down to pick.
Two gaping, massive, horrible holes filled. Now those guys that have potential (Jason Hunter, Jeremy Thompson, Justin Harrell, Alfred Malone) can still have "potential" but not have to be counted on. I'm ok with that.
round 3a and 3b coming soon
I am with you on the first round, but if it is Jackson I would like Ron Brace in the second. The thing with this draft is that there are not too many huge defensive tackles, and with Denver switching to the 3-4 I am worried that they are going to draft Brace with the first round pick they got from the Bears. You could also see the Chiefs drafting him early second.
QUOTE (RamRod @ Apr 23 2009, 01:24 PM)
I am with you on the first round, but if it is Jackson I would like Ron Brace in the second. The thing with this draft is that there are not too many huge defensive tackles, and with Denver switching to the 3-4 I am worried that they are going to draft Brace with the first round pick they got from the Bears. You could also see the Chiefs drafting him early second.
I thought about that. But I'd grab Kevin Greene or Vonnie Holiday after the draft and the depth chart worked out like this for me after Tyson. I'm really ok with Pickett and Jolly at the NT slot.
DE Tyson Jackson, Greene/Holiday (insurance in case he can't start right away), Justin Harrell
NT Ryan Pickett, Johnny Jolly
DE Cullen Jenkins, Michael Jenkins, Justin Harrell
I'd be pretty comfortable with that Dline going into next season.
QUOTE (faede @ Apr 24 2009, 01:41 AM)
I thought about that. But I'd grab Kevin Greene or Vonnie Holiday after the draft and the depth chart worked out like this for me after Tyson. I'm really ok with Pickett and Jolly at the NT slot.
DE Tyson Jackson, Greene/Holiday (insurance in case he can't start right away), Justin Harrell
NT Ryan Pickett, Johnny Jolly
DE Cullen Jenkins, Michael Jenkins, Justin Harrell
I'd be pretty comfortable with that Dline going into next season.
DE Tyson Jackson, Greene/Holiday (insurance in case he can't start right away), Justin Harrell
NT Ryan Pickett, Johnny Jolly
DE Cullen Jenkins, Michael Jenkins, Justin Harrell
I'd be pretty comfortable with that Dline going into next season.
Kevin Greene as a player coach? You meant to say Kevin Hardy. Are they even talking Jolly at the nose? I have always been hearing about him at end.
QUOTE (RamRod @ Apr 23 2009, 02:01 PM)
Kevin Greene as a player coach? You meant to say Kevin Hardy. Are they even talking Jolly at the nose? I have always been hearing about him at end.
Haha! Yeah, sorry, my bad. Actually I meant Kevin Carter, but I'm a moron.
No, I haven't heard anything about Jolly at nose tackle. I just think he fits better there then he does as a 3-4 DE.
QUOTE (faede @ Apr 24 2009, 02:03 AM)
Haha! Yeah, sorry, my bad. Actually I meant Kevin Carter, but I'm a moron.
No, I haven't heard anything about Jolly at nose tackle. I just think he fits better there then he does as a 3-4 DE.
No, I haven't heard anything about Jolly at nose tackle. I just think he fits better there then he does as a 3-4 DE.
Now I am the moron, I meant to say Kevin Carter!! Yeah I can't picture Jolly as an end either, they say he gets pushed around too easilly to be a true 3-4 tackle.
I have seen 2 different draft mocks that have the same set-up for Green Bay in the 2nd. round. They have the TE from Ok.St. available and the DE from FSU. forget about the 1st pick the second would become golden between Brown and Pettigrew. I would hope we would take the TE. BTW
"settle" is a good word for Jackson...I could live with it, but would rather spend the money on a playmaker (Moreno) or an OT.
Sintim is a great "settle"...very underappreciated.
Solid if not spectacular.
Sintim is a great "settle"...very underappreciated.
Solid if not spectacular.
id love 2 settle for clint sintim, wut a football player...
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