dictator of logic
Mar 31 2009, 08:50 AM
I did every pick for every team through the first 4 rounds, then tried to slot players for GB after that. Here goes....
1-Michael Oher OT Mississippi
2-Connor Barwin OLB Cincinnati
3a-Shonn Greene RB Iowa
3b-Chris Baker DE/NT Hampton
4-Cornelius Lewis OT Tennessee State
5-Tyronne Greene OG Auburn
6a-Joshua Mauga ILB Nevada
6b-Rulon Davis DE California
7-Stephen Hodge SS TCU
I like the overall mix, though I would have preferred to go a little more heavily towards defense early in the draft. The primary areas of need IMO are the OT's and the front 7 (especially DL). I feel these areas were adequately covered. It helps that Baker can play both DE and NT in our scheme IMO. So, guys (and gals), tell me what you think....
Heatseeker
Mar 31 2009, 11:15 AM
I'm not sure why everyone keeps picking Connor Barwin as our 2nd pick. Unless we move up, he's got about as good a shot of being there as I do.
OH Packer revisited
Mar 31 2009, 11:21 AM
would love that draft outside the Shonn Green pick. I think we'll see much improvement from our RBs if they have a place to run. However I like Green a lot so you wouldn't hear any major complaints from me except I'd like to see DE addressed earlier as its the most glaring hole IMO.
Agreed with Heat. If Connor is there at 41 I'd be floored. Think they'd have to move up to the late first but crazier stuff has happened.
pckman29
Mar 31 2009, 04:23 PM
I like it. I finally get to see a mock that has us taking a tackle not named Andre (Bust) Smith.
http://atlantafalconstalk.com/wp-content/p...andre-smith.jpgNeed I say more?
Anyway, the draft is pretty solid all round, although I'd rather avoid the Shonn Greene pick but whatever works, I guess. I, to, have to agree with Heat and say that Barwin won't be there. Otherwise it's pretty solid.
House
Mar 31 2009, 04:50 PM
QUOTE (pckman29 @ Mar 31 2009, 07:23 PM)

I like it. I finally get to see a mock that has us taking a tackle not named Andre (Bust) Smith.
http://atlantafalconstalk.com/wp-content/p...andre-smith.jpgNeed I say more?
Anyway, the draft is pretty solid all round, although I'd rather avoid the Shonn Greene pick but whatever works, I guess. I, to, have to agree with Heat and say that Barwin won't be there. Otherwise it's pretty solid.
I like the mock.. but IM damn tired of seeing that pic of Smith..What do you think Tauscher looks like with his shirt off? hes a pretty good player and FAT!!!
dictator of logic
Mar 31 2009, 05:32 PM
To address the Barwin commentary, he very well could be off the board, but I think there is a pretty decent chance that he isn't. It just happened to fall that way this time. A couple things to point out.....first, I do project any trades, so no one could trade up for him (whether it be GB or another team). Secondly, I think Barwin only projects as a late 1st/early 2nd as an 3-4 OLB, not as a 4-3 DE, so that eliminates quite a few opportunities to be selected that high IMO. Third, I have Barwin rated as the #4 3-4 OLB, so he isn't going off the board until after Brown, Matthews, and Maybin in my mock. Since I have Maybin slipping further than many, that in turn allows Barwin to slip further. The teams I could see him possibly going to that I skipped are Baltimore and Arizona. I went with Heyward-Bey and Donald Brown with those two picks, respectively. I think New England and Cleveland in round 2 could have selected him, but I had Everette Brown to Cleveland in round 1 and Clay Matthews to New England in round 1, thus they would likely not select another OLB so early. These are some reasons to support the fall of Barwin, though I could very easily see him coming off the board earlier as well.
Vinnie
Mar 31 2009, 05:35 PM
I like what Shonn Greene brings as a runner, but he has trouble with the pass.
NeuBrew
Mar 31 2009, 05:38 PM
I think you were borrowing my mind or something. I have been dreaming of Oher-Barwin in the first two rounds, but I think Barwin is becoming less likely. Green is nice value there. I think Cornelius Lewis is something of a lumbering mess, but the rest is decent value.
ThatGuy284
Mar 31 2009, 07:16 PM
With the recent addition of Duke Preston and our overall depth on the OL I'd be surprised to see three picks used on offensive linemen this year but I do like Oher in the 1st and wouldn't mind seeing another OT or OG brought in. I'd be very happy if the 1st four picks turned out this way as I think Shonn Greene is excellent value in the 3rd. I'd personally look for either more DL help later in the draft or another DB.
dictator of logic
Apr 1 2009, 07:36 AM
QUOTE (ThatGuy284 @ Mar 31 2009, 10:16 PM)

With the recent addition of Duke Preston and our overall depth on the OL I'd be surprised to see three picks used on offensive linemen this year but I do like Oher in the 1st and wouldn't mind seeing another OT or OG brought in. I'd be very happy if the 1st four picks turned out this way as I think Shonn Greene is excellent value in the 3rd. I'd personally look for either more DL help later in the draft or another DB.
Solid point, that might mean leaving Tyronne Greene out of my mock. I would probably look to target a CB (I thought about it at the time). I would still look to draft 2 OT's if possible, because I think we desperately need a LT, I'm not sold on Giacomini as the RT, and even if he does perform, we need OT depth. I could probably ignore the interior for one more year and hope they step up, but I was truly unhappy with the play of the entire line last year, and I wouldn't ignore another year of subpar performances.
Aussie Packer
Apr 1 2009, 02:03 PM
I think that an OLB in the early second makes sense as there's a lot of talent there and I think if Barwin isn't there then Sintim or Matthews will be.
That's assuming we don't go Brown or Maybin in the first. If we do then I'm hoping for Meredith in the second.
Nimrod
Apr 1 2009, 02:22 PM
Nice looking mock DOL . You can count me in the crowd that does not like the Greene pick with the 1st third , who else would have been available with that pick? I like OT being addressed early and often . I like the Barwin pick as I think he will be a special player that is able to do alot of things for a team .Where did Gilbert go in your mock?as it would be nice to go with more Dline especially with that 1st 3rd or even that second pick . Even though I like Barwin I think that Dline may be more important that the OLB position at number two but if we could get a decent lineman at the 1st 3rd I would keep the Barwin pick .
OneTwoSixFive
Apr 1 2009, 02:27 PM
QUOTE (dictator of logic @ Mar 31 2009, 05:50 PM)

1-Michael Oher OT Mississippi
2-Connor Barwin OLB Cincinnati
3a-Shonn Greene RB Iowa
3b-Chris Baker DE/NT Hampton
4-Cornelius Lewis OT Tennessee State
5-Tyronne Greene OG Auburn
6a-Joshua Mauga ILB Nevada
6b-Rulon Davis DE California
7-Stephen Hodge SS TCU
I like the Oher pick, and while I like Barwin, I'd go for NT Ron Brace at#41 (I like Brace, but I know you don't). The first pick in round three (#73) could then be DE Ricky Jean-Francois, and at #83 OLB David Veikune is a possibility.
The value of Chris Baker is uncertain. I've seen him listed as a 7th rounder and as a 2/3 rounder, so I'm not sure about him, but since I went Brace at#41 I can go elsewhere at #83. Mauga is said to be more athlete than player.
Overall, I would not be disappointed in your draft.
ps. Kudos for working out who the other teams took.
dictator of logic
Apr 1 2009, 07:48 PM
QUOTE (Nimrod @ Apr 1 2009, 05:22 PM)

Nice looking mock DOL . You can count me in the crowd that does not like the Greene pick with the 1st third , who else would have been available with that pick? I like OT being addressed early and often . I like the Barwin pick as I think he will be a special player that is able to do alot of things for a team .Where did Gilbert go in your mock?as it would be nice to go with more Dline especially with that 1st 3rd or even that second pick . Even though I like Barwin I think that Dline may be more important that the OLB position at number two but if we could get a decent lineman at the 1st 3rd I would keep the Barwin pick .
I had Gilbert going #32 to Pittsburgh, I probably would have taken him over Barwin. The only other DL I considered there was Fili Moala from USC, but like Barwin a bit more. I don't think RB is a big need, but I thought Greene was good value in the 3rd, and I'd like a back who can run with power in the red zone. Other guys I considered at that spot were Baker (taken with our next pick), Terrance Taylor NT, Fenuki Tupuo OT, and Kevin Barnes CB. I thought Greene was the best value and I hoped one of the DL (Baker or Taylor) would fall to the next pick.
dictator of logic
Apr 1 2009, 07:54 PM
QUOTE (OneTwoSixFive @ Apr 1 2009, 05:27 PM)

I like the Oher pick, and while I like Barwin, I'd go for NT Ron Brace at#41 (I like Brace, but I know you don't). The first pick in round three (#73) could then be DE Ricky Jean-Francois, and at #83 OLB David Veikune is a possibility.
The value of Chris Baker is uncertain. I've seen him listed as a 7th rounder and as a 2/3 rounder, so I'm not sure about him, but since I went Brace at#41 I can go elsewhere at #83. Mauga is said to be more athlete than player.
Overall, I would not be disappointed in your draft.
ps. Kudos for working out who the other teams took.
I have made obvious my disdain for Brace (more for the area he is projected than actually not liking him as a player), so I won't elaborate there.
I think Jean-Francois does a better job as a penetrating DT, and I'm not sure his game is tailored towards eating up blockers.
I would have considered Veikune in the draft except that I had already taken Barwin. Veikune should be a good fit as a 3-4 OLB for somebody.
Baker is a real wild card for me. I think he has loads of talent but I'm unsure of his character. I think he can play both DE and NT (I actually like him better at DE), and that is a major plus IMO. I would not be suprised if he went very early or fell a long way.
I think Mauga is going to be a player that teams regret passing on in a few year. In the few games I've seen him play he looked like the best defender on the field, and I think he's got the size and athleticism to excel in the 3-4 IMO. He will likely need a bit of fine tuning, but then again, how many 6th rounders don't?
SodbusterStuckinPA
Apr 9 2009, 07:54 AM
DOL:
Brace is going to be reached for, and I bet we are the ones that do it. I would feel less bad about the whole thing if I thought we could swap out your 3a for Brace, keeping everything the same, including your 3B.
NT is a bear in this draft, it always is, and will be worse in the future, imo.
Just contemplating it makes me want to roll a Raji, if I was so inclined, which I am not, but fear the subject of my anger is.
rpiotr01
Apr 9 2009, 08:59 AM
Could definitely live with this draft. I like addressing OT early. Wish we could address DL earlier instead of OLB (I think we have a little more wiggle room at OLB than at DL), but if that's the way the cards fall so be it.
I'm trying to think of ways where we could trade down a bit in the first, still pick up Oher, then use other picks to trade right back up into the second a spot or two below our normal pick in order to keep Brace away from Denver, but I don't think there's a realistic way. Maybe if we trade way down in the first and target Beatty we may pick up enough ammunition but not sure about that.
Good job, as always.
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