the monkey soul
Mar 31 2009, 03:53 AM
http://footballoutsiders.com/ramblings/200...9-fo-mock-draftTake a look at this good read. They show some trades that could happen, some of the inevitable surprises that are in store for draft day, and a very solid and make-sense type of pick for the Packers.
I'm a fan of how this would play out for us, I admit.
GBP4EVER
Mar 31 2009, 03:59 AM
Jackson IMO is a 15-20 spot guy. Taking him at 9 would be to high slide back with the Jets for a third so they can take a QB then it would be ok to take Jackson.
OH Packer revisited
Mar 31 2009, 05:13 AM
I don't think Jackson is a 15-20 guy. In fact I think he's on TT's shortlist. Besides, if we can agree that there are maybe 4-5 elite prospects. and then picks 6-15 or so are all similar then Jackson at 9 wouldn't be a reach at all. It would come down to preference.
Ryan B
Mar 31 2009, 07:47 AM
QUOTE (OH Packer revisited @ Mar 31 2009, 06:13 AM)

I don't think Jackson is a 15-20 guy. In fact I think he's on TT's shortlist. Besides, if we can agree that there are maybe 4-5 elite prospects. and then picks 6-15 or so are all similar then Jackson at 9 wouldn't be a reach at all. It would come down to preference.
I totally agree with this. Too much is being made of players on mocks being projected "way too high." Players are going to rise, and fall far beyond where the experts have them slotted now. I think need and individual team scouting/preference overrules the "big boards."
The big boards are nice to base off of, but if they were so accurate then they would mirror the draft pick results, and this never happens.
the monkey soul
Mar 31 2009, 09:54 AM
With Jackson, what are the question marks? He seems to be consistently labeled as the ideal 3-4 DE. He could be more of a pass rusher. I suppose.
Heatseeker
Mar 31 2009, 11:23 AM
I'd be happy with Jackson. Not ecstatic, but happy. As for him being, "too high" I, too think that if a player has talent, and fits a need, then quite simply, you draft him. He's got as good a shot at panning out as anyone in the draft.
Also, if Jackson was selected, I'd love to try and get Larry English in the 2nd, or move up for Barwin
packers04
Mar 31 2009, 03:30 PM
tyson jackson wont be picked at 9... hes not the best player available. 12 yes.
ATLPACK99
Mar 31 2009, 05:06 PM
QUOTE (OH Packer revisited @ Mar 31 2009, 05:13 AM)

I don't think Jackson is a 15-20 guy. In fact I think he's on TT's shortlist. Besides, if we can agree that there are maybe 4-5 elite prospects. and then picks 6-15 or so are all similar then Jackson at 9 wouldn't be a reach at all. It would come down to preference.
Exactly right and precisely why I don't think anyone should discount Malcolm Jenkins as our pick, especially if Harris is moved. Jenkins, IMO, fits Capers system to a T. Tyson Jackson would most likely start right away and fills a spot that happens to also be a need. Is it a sexy pick, no, but it would be a good solid pick.
ThatGuy284
Mar 31 2009, 05:53 PM
Although I like the kid and think he'd be a great addition to the team...I'd really be left wondering why the Pack didn't make a stronger push for Canty and spend the #9 on an OT or OLB or Raji. I'm okay with them passing on Canty at this point, but this would really make me think...
the monkey soul
Mar 31 2009, 07:22 PM
Think about what? Right now I'd rather have Jackson over Canty, mostly because of the unknown. Jackson is a lot better of an athlete and seems like a great locker room addition.
DaveatMIZZOU
Mar 31 2009, 10:06 PM
Tyson Jackson at 9 is too early IMO.
Then to top it off, the Vikings get Jeremy Maclin.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
OH Packer revisited
Apr 1 2009, 04:52 AM
In the end those who say Jackson at 9 is too early could be right. We'll have to see how it plays out. But I have to ask why. If you think 12 is a good spot then I really don't understand. So at 12 he's a good pick at 9 he's a reach. If you decide you like him as a player and you think he'll fit in on your team you pick him. If you would not touch him before pick 25 then I get it a bit more. By this time of year I think people have seen too many mocks.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to several other guys. Especially Oher. I'm just saying I think the short list is Raji, Jackson, Oher, possibly Smith, Brown, and an outside shot at Jenkins. Barring a trade down or someone falling, I don't see anyone else. Some could make an argument for Maybin. I think this board would have to be shut down for a few days as at least half of the people here would be upset with the pick.
dictator of logic
Apr 1 2009, 05:28 AM
I like Jackson as a player, but I don't think he's dynamic enough to go in the top half of round 1. I could see some team gambling on him, but I could also see him falling out of the 1st round entirely. Currently I have him going #16 to SD, but I was hesitant to put him that high. I think he could be a very solid player for us in the future, but I think we have a few solid players. I think what we are missing is a difference maker, and I don't see Jackson as that.
the monkey soul
Apr 1 2009, 05:53 AM
Thinking about this more, the deficiency on the defensive line is not just obvious to fans. As much of a kool-aid drinker as I am, I do understand that Jenkins, Pickett, Jolly is at best serviceable going forward past this year. I think the Packers have two players - Raji and Jackson.
Look back to the 2001 draft. CNNSI's three guys had Seymour going #10 to the Packers. He went #6 to the Patriots. Did they reach? Looking back on it, no, but at the time, yes?
I bring this up because of a few things. Defensive line is a premium. These two are at the top when talking about pure defensive line (no tweener talk with either). Both fit in to the 3-4 defense. Both are high character people. Both were difference makers (Jackson demanded a double team every game). LSU and the SEC in general (outside of Florida) has a history of producing top quality defensive linemen. Both would provide immediate impact to our team.
ThatGuy284
Apr 1 2009, 06:07 AM
QUOTE (the monkey soul @ Mar 31 2009, 08:22 PM)

Think about what? Right now I'd rather have Jackson over Canty, mostly because of the unknown. Jackson is a lot better of an athlete and seems like a great locker room addition.
The unknown?
Canty has performed very solidly as a 3-4 DE in the NFL for several years. He may never be "great" but his bust factor is also extremely low. He would have been a high quality starter for years IMO and solidified the DL. I have not heard of any character issues with Canty to suggest he would not be a great locker room addition. Jackson, as all draft picks coming out of college are, is entirely "unknown."
The two seemingly have very similar skill-sets and are very similar sizes...I just have several years of NFL game film of Canty and largely liked what I saw. Like I said before, I think Tyson Jackson will be a very "solid" NFL player and may be a high quality starter for years as is Canty.
But that's not really my point. I would question drafting him in the top ten, paying him as much as Canty would have made and losing the ability to then target another position in the draft.
At this point I have supported Thompson's handling of the Canty situation...drafting Jackson would strongly make me reconsider my position. That is not a knock on Jackson.
My point: I prefer Canty and all 9 or our draft picks vs. Jackson and 8 more picks when the two players seem to be very similar.
the monkey soul
Apr 1 2009, 06:20 AM
I understand your point. What I'm saying is that, in my opinion, Jackson (and Raji) will have the most impact on our team out of everyone who will be available at #9. If we had signed Canty, we could definitely ignore Jackson and pick a lesser player (unless Raji was there). But I'd rather pick someone who has the potential to be better than Canty, who would be coming up exclusively in our system, and who is the draft pick that will impact our team the most in the coming years.
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