Monotony is defined as:

Tedious sameness or repetitiousness


Much like most of going to work day in and day out, watching the same shows day in and day out, wearing the same clothes, driving the same car, eating the same things but most of all talking about Brett Favre and Ted Thompson/MM/Packers.


The way I look at it there are MORE then 2 camps here.

1) Brett Favre can do no wrong.

2) TT can do no wrong.

Those are the extreme sides of this and talking to people who believe these things is no better then hitting yourself in the head with a tack hammer for hours on end.

Then there is one 1 more and this is the more the logical one IMO.

1) Brett screwed up. He's human. He should not of retired in the first place. If he could actually make his mind up on this he would of continued to play and things would of been fine. He started this and TT finished it and much to the chagrine of some fans TT did not do what we wanted but life moves on. Is he backstabbing immature crybaby that some people think he is hellbent on ruining TT and his career?

Absoulutely not.

TT could of handled this better. Brett gave us a pretty good chance at winning more then 6 games last year. His leadership alone drives other players to want to win. Brett should of been on the team but he chose to move on and that moving on got us to. 6-10 in 2008 after we were a couple plays away from the SB in 2007. Did he do it because he wants to ruin the Packers and drive us back to the 70s and 80s for another couple decades as part of some secret evil plan?

Absolutely not.


Folks, these 2 guys had tough decisions to make. Decisions they knew were going to cast them into a bad light. Most of the time those decisions are the hardest to make. Doing the right thing ( at least in your mind) is sometimes a hard decision to make more so when they know they will be looked down upon.

Lets stop posting articles about Favre about how he is doing his best to ruin Ted career. We all KNOW thats not true. Just because he wanted to prove to Ted he could still play does not mean he wants the man dead. Lets also stop ripping Ted for his decision to cut bait with Favre. This man is the GM of our team. His job depends on W's and L's. If he does not produce he is done here. He wants to win just as bad as the rest of the us. Do they both have big egos? You bet. Ones a HOF QB and the other is GM of an NFL team. Who's head WOULDNT be big?

We all knew Favre was not going to play forever. We didnt want it to end like this or what happened last summer but it did and now its over. (hopefully)

We have a pretty important draft coming up. We have a new defensive coaching staff and a new scheme. Key players are coming back from injuries. We have a QB that looks like we can count on and we cheer for the best damn team in the NFL!

Lets start acting like Green Bay Packer fan again.

JIMATX asked me to remove some stuff from my signature that he found offensive and thought caused rifts between people here. I did it because I want things to get back to normal around here. Lets leave all this garbage behind us.

Thank you.

Great post Luvda! However people think it all went down it's the past. I am excited about the future of this team.

Im excited also. I cant wait for the new scheme to be unveiled this year and see how we do in the draft. I have a feeling 09 will be something to write home about.

Excellent post. That's all I have to say.

Eloquent as always O guru of landscape and aficionado of beer.

I can agree with the majority of the post, and I can agree to disagree with the remainder.So yeah, moving on is good.

Great post, Luvda!

What's done is done.

Excellent post. I've pretty much tried to avoid the Brett Favre section of this forum because all that takes place is Favre vs TT arguments. I'm beyond that already. This took place almost a year ago. THe bottom line is Favre is no longer on the Packers and will never play another down for the Packers. He will likely never play again. I do think Favre might have have got a few more wins than 6 in 2008 but it was clearly not a Championship caliber team due to the horrible regression of the defense. Its hard to say if trading Favre was a good or bad move for the Packers. I think its just something that had to be done given the circumstances. The Packers are better off in the long-term but might have sacrificed a few wins last year.

You forgot Band Camp!



Maybe I mis-stated my opinion, but my comment about removing the images in your signature was more about how they may be contributing to the Favre v Thompson debates and not that they really offended me.

Good post BTW... now it's back to the combine.

I agree it was an excellent post.

The only point I disagree with is that we would have
won more games with Brett as our QB.
He does not have some magical power to make
the Defense play better at the end of the game.
All 3 of our pro bowl Db's gave up big plays at the end of games.
Other defenders gave up big plays as well.

His QB production was not as good as A Rod's.
I don't see how we would have been a better team.
If he never would have never retired and been in the same shape
as the year before(which he wasn't) maybe we would have done ok.
But I don't see how he could have prevented the injuries and
defensive and special teams collapses we suffered last year.

Overall though I agree with your excellent post!! Thanks!

Go Pack!!

I would venture to say that had Brett Favre stayed in Green Bay he would have already known the offense and he would have had a better season statistically than he did with the Jets. I'm as avid a Favre-critic as they come but even I will acknowledge that the Packers would have probably won a couple more games with Favre than they did with Rodgers. The track record is there. He only had one losing season out of 16 seasons as a Packer. There is something to be said for that. I think he would have pulled out a couple of games that Rodgers failed to finish late in the 4th quarter. Keep in mind, I'm not saying the Packers would have made the playoffs but I think they probably would have finished 8-8 vs 6-10.

I still think in hindsight the Packers made the right decision. Keeping Favre another year would have accomplished nothing. The Packers were not contenders this year with the way the defense played. So sure the Packers might have had a better record but the only reason you keep Favre another year is a shot at the Super Bowl. I don't think they were even remotely close to being a Super Bowl team this year. I think they just lost too many key defensive players. Right off the bat they lost a valuable DT in the offseason. KGB just failed to even show up at all. Jenkins was lost in Week 4. Al Harris missed a significant portion of the season. At one point in the season our secondary was in such dire circumstances that we had to move Charles Woodson to safety. Atari Bigby was a non-factor all year. It was a lost season. Having Favre wouldn't have made a significant difference. I'm confident the Packers would have had a slightly better record with Favre but I think the Packers made the right call. Rodgers got a year of experience under his belt and hopefully Capers can get the defense turned around. I think the defense will show some improvement next year but won't be an elite unit until Thompson brings in some more impact players. All this team needs is a servicable defense to make the playoffs though. You know, one that doesn't give up a game losing drive 100% of the time it needs to make a stop to win the game.

Do you really want to continue to call him A Rod? Especially with recent information?

Yes he is now the only A-Rod.
The Yankee guy is A-Roid.

Go Pack!!!

I have to say I agree with Strat on this. Had Brett come out of retirement before the draft, I think three things would have changed - short term.

One is that the draft would change - it's unlikely that TT would have spent two draft choices on quarterbacks knowing Brett is still on the team. Maybe that means a player who would have made a positive difference.

Two is that Brett would have done some offseason conditioning. That, combined with his superior knowledge of the offense (compared to NY's offense) would have made some difference. Both in the playing early on and especially as the season wound down.

Three is that the team would likely have played better. For one thing, morale would have been higher earlier in the season, if there was even just one more win before the bye. For another, there wouldn't have been the offseason distraction, which I believed then and I believe now made a difference to the team. And finally, I think Brett's presence would have made a difference also. I don't agree with Luvda's "leadership" comment, as such, but I think everyone else's state of mind would have been different by the very fact of Brett's presence.

Having said that, we might have won a couple games more, maybe even enough to get into the playoffs (we should have beaten both Minnesota and Chicago the second time we played them, never mind any of the other really close losses). But I doubt if we would have made much noise in the playoffs, if we did get there.

The more difficult question is what sort of effect would all this have had on Rodgers? It might just be that Rodgers had waited long enough; that having to wait another year could have changed everything in his mental makeup. He could have become demoralized. The question of extending him the following year would have contained much more tension on both sides.

So I feel, in the end, that it was just as well that the Packers moved on, for all that it might have cost them for one season. As things did happen, Rodgers showed a character fortitude that is impossible to measure, but which might have positive reverberations for years to come. And a better season might have made it harder for McCarthy to entirely blow up the defensive staff.

All in all, I think the team is better right now for not having had Brett last year, albeit that the season itself might, just might, have been a better one.

Darn - didn't look at the forum and thought this was a FA thread...

A Packer free agency thread would have to come with audio to hear the sound of crickets chirping in the still night.

That really cracked me up

Previously I would of been critical of calling AR, A-rod. PatS4 is right, cheating voids all rights to a nick-name and allows folks to replace it with a new nickname ie... A-Roid.

Oh yea, Great post Luvda