We all have our opinions on Brett and many (myself included) have altered our thoughts this past season. Too often, what we are led to believe, or what we want to believe are far from the truth! After reading Andrew Brandt's Column in The National Football Post I have to take a step back. This is probably the best article that I haven ever read on Brett Favre. It is a reminder to me that snap judgements are dangerous. Andrew Brandt gives us all a look at Brett Favre the man from his personal and professional relationship. I thought I would just pass this on.
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A positively beautiful piece.
Something EVERYONE should read and realize what an absolute treasure we, as Packer fans, had all those years. I have always thought of Brett as family, and I always will.
Something EVERYONE should read and realize what an absolute treasure we, as Packer fans, had all those years. I have always thought of Brett as family, and I always will.
outstanding article...ty
This was absolutley hilarious...
"I remember seeing Brett in an empty locker room on Labor Day, which, ironically, was always the day we cut the team down to 53. I told him I was sorry to break the news but we were releasing him. He stared at me for a minute before realizing I was joking."
"I remember seeing Brett in an empty locker room on Labor Day, which, ironically, was always the day we cut the team down to 53. I told him I was sorry to break the news but we were releasing him. He stared at me for a minute before realizing I was joking."
I think this is an important article to read for a lot of people here.
This is coming from a person who was up close and personal with the man for almost a decade. This isn't some media-spun story. It's coming from someone who (as far as we know anyway) doesn't have an agenda in portraying Brett as a good, or bad person (you'll notice this story isn't ALL good about Brett).
It's simply, a first-hand account from someone relaying who the guy was - beyond, "#4."
I think it reinforces what many of us have been saying lately. That while none of us have ever pretended that Brett was perfect, he was genuinely a good person. Sure, he had his faults, like we all do. And to many of us, that's what made him so likable. Because when we look in the mirror every morning, we realize that someone of that stature, someone that's idolized as much as him, looks at himself in a very similar way.
This is coming from a person who was up close and personal with the man for almost a decade. This isn't some media-spun story. It's coming from someone who (as far as we know anyway) doesn't have an agenda in portraying Brett as a good, or bad person (you'll notice this story isn't ALL good about Brett).
It's simply, a first-hand account from someone relaying who the guy was - beyond, "#4."
I think it reinforces what many of us have been saying lately. That while none of us have ever pretended that Brett was perfect, he was genuinely a good person. Sure, he had his faults, like we all do. And to many of us, that's what made him so likable. Because when we look in the mirror every morning, we realize that someone of that stature, someone that's idolized as much as him, looks at himself in a very similar way.
QUOTE (Heatseeker @ Feb 14 2009, 09:40 PM) 
I think this is an important article to read for a lot of people here.
This is coming from a person who was up close and personal with the man for almost a decade. This isn't some media-spun story. It's coming from someone who (as far as we know anyway) doesn't have an agenda in portraying Brett as a good, or bad person (you'll notice this story isn't ALL good about Brett).
It's simply, a first-hand account from someone relaying who the guy was - beyond, "#4."
I think it reinforces what many of us have been saying lately. That while none of us have ever pretended that Brett was perfect, he was genuinely a good person. Sure, he had his faults, like we all do. And to many of us, that's what made him so likable. Because when we look in the mirror every morning, we realize that someone of that stature, someone that's idolized as much as him, looks at himself in a very similar way.
This is coming from a person who was up close and personal with the man for almost a decade. This isn't some media-spun story. It's coming from someone who (as far as we know anyway) doesn't have an agenda in portraying Brett as a good, or bad person (you'll notice this story isn't ALL good about Brett).
It's simply, a first-hand account from someone relaying who the guy was - beyond, "#4."
I think it reinforces what many of us have been saying lately. That while none of us have ever pretended that Brett was perfect, he was genuinely a good person. Sure, he had his faults, like we all do. And to many of us, that's what made him so likable. Because when we look in the mirror every morning, we realize that someone of that stature, someone that's idolized as much as him, looks at himself in a very similar way.
I agree Heat, This was a great article . Also if you have not read the front page article "They Left but are not forgotten" is another great perspective on the divorce.
If Favre remains retired this time around many will move back to praising him for what he did for the Green Bay Packers. I see both sides of this issue. I see why Brett is pissed and I see why Thompson had to do it.
I will miss him as a player but there will be others that will find stardom in Green Bay...
I thougt, this was well written and a nice perspective, not foucusing on the nasty divorce. I kinda see Packer fans as the children of divorced parents taking sides and not really knowing what really transpired, just the same taking their individual perceptions and chosing sides. The article takes me back to better days.
It certainly showed some of the special treatment that the Packers gave Favre and eventually built the monster that they had to fight.
Favre, like almost every person, is good deep down. He's lost his ground and become a selfish brat (partly because of how the Packers treated him, giving him entitlement and partly because he's insecure and has a huge ego to feed). Regardless, the article was all lovey dovey but it painted a picture of a guy that everyone treated like he was above the team. Sort of the same old arrogant brat that we've been reading about everywhere else, this time painted with a rosey brush to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy about their idol.
Favre, like almost every person, is good deep down. He's lost his ground and become a selfish brat (partly because of how the Packers treated him, giving him entitlement and partly because he's insecure and has a huge ego to feed). Regardless, the article was all lovey dovey but it painted a picture of a guy that everyone treated like he was above the team. Sort of the same old arrogant brat that we've been reading about everywhere else, this time painted with a rosey brush to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy about their idol.
QUOTE (GregJennings @ Feb 14 2009, 12:27 PM)
It certainly showed some of the special treatment that the Packers gave Favre and eventually built the monster that they had to fight.
Favre, like almost every person, is good deep down. He's lost his ground and become a selfish brat (partly because of how the Packers treated him, giving him entitlement and partly because he's insecure and has a huge ego to feed). Regardless, the article was all lovey dovey but it painted a picture of a guy that everyone treated like he was above the team. Sort of the same old arrogant brat that we've been reading about everywhere else, this time painted with a rosey brush to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy about their idol.
Favre, like almost every person, is good deep down. He's lost his ground and become a selfish brat (partly because of how the Packers treated him, giving him entitlement and partly because he's insecure and has a huge ego to feed). Regardless, the article was all lovey dovey but it painted a picture of a guy that everyone treated like he was above the team. Sort of the same old arrogant brat that we've been reading about everywhere else, this time painted with a rosey brush to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy about their idol.
This is a new and exciting perspective you've presented. Please tell us more.
QUOTE (GregJennings @ Feb 14 2009, 01:27 PM)
It certainly showed some of the special treatment that the Packers gave Favre and eventually built the monster that they had to fight.
Favre, like almost every person, is good deep down. He's lost his ground and become a selfish brat (partly because of how the Packers treated him, giving him entitlement and partly because he's insecure and has a huge ego to feed). Regardless, the article was all lovey dovey but it painted a picture of a guy that everyone treated like he was above the team. Sort of the same old arrogant brat that we've been reading about everywhere else, this time painted with a rosey brush to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy about their idol.
Favre, like almost every person, is good deep down. He's lost his ground and become a selfish brat (partly because of how the Packers treated him, giving him entitlement and partly because he's insecure and has a huge ego to feed). Regardless, the article was all lovey dovey but it painted a picture of a guy that everyone treated like he was above the team. Sort of the same old arrogant brat that we've been reading about everywhere else, this time painted with a rosey brush to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy about their idol.
Please accept my graditude for making a fine example of the points I have been making recently
After this reply I had to reread the article to see if we read the same one! My take on this article("Behind the Facemask"), is that deep down Favre is no different than most of us. If any of us were put on public display would we handle any of the above situations any better. Andrew Brandt sat on the opposite side of the table as Brett and found a deep respect for the person as well as the talent. The give and take here is that we all should probably have been more discriminate with our praise for Brett and more understanding of his shortcomings.
QUOTE (66_Ray @ Feb 14 2009, 11:21 AM)
I thougt, this was well written and a nice perspective, not foucusing on the nasty divorce. I kinda see Packer fans as the children of divorced parents taking sides and not really knowing what really transpired, just the same taking their individual perceptions and chosing sides. The article takes me back to better days.
absolutely.
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Behind that public face and star persona is a pretty good person, someone who has fun and cares about others but wants to be cared about as well. Brett has warts and insecurities, as we all do, but in the end, he’s a genuinely good person, friend, husband and father. Beyond the glare of the spotlight that he’s been under for the past 17 years, those traits are what really matter.
~ Andrew Brandt
~ Andrew Brandt
Kind of seems like we have a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.
I admit I've been disappointed in Brett - this article makes me feel much better about the man who is Brett Favre - thanks for posting it
Well, I read it and thoroughly enjoyed it. (I also just watched his interview on ESPN and liked it too - but I've always liked hearing Brett talk, of course.) Brandt's piece is a very enjoyable piece, a real feel good piece. Great? I don't know about that. It's just like reading a good reference. They're always good - and Brandt's is very intelligently written and quite glowing - but they're only worth whatever they're worth. They're not biographies.
No, Brett's not a Jekyll and Hyde, he's just - as someone put it - an ordinary guy. Maybe even a tad nicer than most ordinary guys. But let's face it, ordinary guys do not rate very highly on our approval scales normally. There have been other portrayals written about Brett which are not so kind.
We all remember the quarterbacks and other football stars from our high school days. If we pooled all of our experiences together, we'd probably have as accurate a picture of Brett Favre as we are likely to ever see, even though our picture would not actually be comprised of any part of him at all.
There are not a lot of people in this world with truly deep character. And we rarely know about the few that there are. Ordinary guys do not have such deep character and that's all there is to it. Brett is one of us, not one of the real deeply developed character types. Not yet anyway - anything is possible and he could well become such a person in his life, who can say. I suspect he'll need to go through far more suffering than he's ever imagined, but it's not an absolute requirement. I knew a tailor in Milwaukee, a most unassuming guy, a real mensch - he was a concentration camp survivor. I got to know him better than one would normally get to know a tailor I suppose, because I went to him to learn about him for reasons that are irrelevant here. But I got the impression of a guy with character. Not flawless, not a saviour, not a person who would be loved by all, but a man with character, with depth and richness that few people get to.
Brett's a pretty likeable guy and there is a lot to admire about him, but he's not a hero and he's not anything so very special wearing anything other than a football uniform. I'm disturbed by the adulation of football stars that we exhibit. When ground zero firemen have to go to cuba to get medical solutions and when 25% of the homeless are the veterans that everyone screams about supporting, I'm very, very dubious of this high regard for a guy who is just another guy.
He's panned the organization in which he made his name and that is, at least, something that was highly indiscreet. So I find it hard to object too strenuously to those who feel a bit of resentment about him. He said himself that McCarthy called him about once a week for about a month after the season, to ask him how he was doing and to tell him that they wanted him back. Instead, he very publicly retired and the Packers went on without him with all their plans, but without a word to the bad about him. So, really, he has nothing to say about what went down. Whether it's him, or his wife, or his brother, or his agent - the crabbing, the dissing of the organization, the whole thing - it's all on him. This isn't a defense of Ted Thompson or anything else, which is also irrelevant.
Brett feels it was unfair that they didn't just release him. Well, if they did that, they don't get the extra draft pick, so it makes no sense - especially when Brett is saying out of the other side of his mouth that he understands that it's a business.
Brandt was very kind, but it was also like he was delivering a eulogy. And it would have been entirely fitting a month after Brett announced his retirement early in '08. But now, at this point, it's just spin. And as much as I liked it - and I did, immensely - I think, so what?
No, Brett's not a Jekyll and Hyde, he's just - as someone put it - an ordinary guy. Maybe even a tad nicer than most ordinary guys. But let's face it, ordinary guys do not rate very highly on our approval scales normally. There have been other portrayals written about Brett which are not so kind.
We all remember the quarterbacks and other football stars from our high school days. If we pooled all of our experiences together, we'd probably have as accurate a picture of Brett Favre as we are likely to ever see, even though our picture would not actually be comprised of any part of him at all.
There are not a lot of people in this world with truly deep character. And we rarely know about the few that there are. Ordinary guys do not have such deep character and that's all there is to it. Brett is one of us, not one of the real deeply developed character types. Not yet anyway - anything is possible and he could well become such a person in his life, who can say. I suspect he'll need to go through far more suffering than he's ever imagined, but it's not an absolute requirement. I knew a tailor in Milwaukee, a most unassuming guy, a real mensch - he was a concentration camp survivor. I got to know him better than one would normally get to know a tailor I suppose, because I went to him to learn about him for reasons that are irrelevant here. But I got the impression of a guy with character. Not flawless, not a saviour, not a person who would be loved by all, but a man with character, with depth and richness that few people get to.
Brett's a pretty likeable guy and there is a lot to admire about him, but he's not a hero and he's not anything so very special wearing anything other than a football uniform. I'm disturbed by the adulation of football stars that we exhibit. When ground zero firemen have to go to cuba to get medical solutions and when 25% of the homeless are the veterans that everyone screams about supporting, I'm very, very dubious of this high regard for a guy who is just another guy.
He's panned the organization in which he made his name and that is, at least, something that was highly indiscreet. So I find it hard to object too strenuously to those who feel a bit of resentment about him. He said himself that McCarthy called him about once a week for about a month after the season, to ask him how he was doing and to tell him that they wanted him back. Instead, he very publicly retired and the Packers went on without him with all their plans, but without a word to the bad about him. So, really, he has nothing to say about what went down. Whether it's him, or his wife, or his brother, or his agent - the crabbing, the dissing of the organization, the whole thing - it's all on him. This isn't a defense of Ted Thompson or anything else, which is also irrelevant.
Brett feels it was unfair that they didn't just release him. Well, if they did that, they don't get the extra draft pick, so it makes no sense - especially when Brett is saying out of the other side of his mouth that he understands that it's a business.
Brandt was very kind, but it was also like he was delivering a eulogy. And it would have been entirely fitting a month after Brett announced his retirement early in '08. But now, at this point, it's just spin. And as much as I liked it - and I did, immensely - I think, so what?
Maybe if some people wouldnt of put him on such a pedestal they wouldnt of been so hurt when they realized he was just a normal guy who had a problem with his boss.
The image they had of him came crashing down around them.
The image they had of him came crashing down around them.
QUOTE (LuvdaPack36 @ Feb 15 2009, 11:53 PM)
Maybe if some people wouldnt of put him on such a pedestal they wouldnt of been so hurt when they realized he was just a normal guy who had a problem with his boss.
The image they had of him came crashing down around them.
The image they had of him came crashing down around them.
Boy that comment can be used on both side of the Favre image dilemma.....
QUOTE (WB PackerFan @ Feb 15 2009, 01:35 PM)
Boy that comment can be used on both side of the Favre image dilemma.....
You bet and thats why you dont put people up there.
In the end they are as human as you and I and prone to error like you and I.
Nice post, Terry. I didn't like the article as much as you, but you really hit home the points about real, deep character people. I thought the article showed how everyone treated Brett like he was above the team. His agent could do whatever he want. Ahman never talked except to tell Brett how great he was. The whole thing felt like Brandt was bragging about how much time he spent with the legend, Brett Favre and how larger than life Brett was inside the Packer organization. The whole bubble that surrounds that guy is just creepy, but anyway.
Honestly, I'm sure he's a good person deep down and I'm sure he's done a lot of good things in his life, but we all do. To each his own. If you want to look up to this guy, go ahead. He's just a guy. Really, not special at all, but if playing football is some great accomplishment, worthy of this type of worship to you, then go ahead and love him. I think what Brett tried to do to Thompson and is trying to do to him with his celebrity power is awful. Right now, I find it much more reasonable to focus on the wrongs he's committing to a guy that's been nothing but a stand up guy (ted) than it is to sit around and talk about how great of a person he is.
Honestly, I'm sure he's a good person deep down and I'm sure he's done a lot of good things in his life, but we all do. To each his own. If you want to look up to this guy, go ahead. He's just a guy. Really, not special at all, but if playing football is some great accomplishment, worthy of this type of worship to you, then go ahead and love him. I think what Brett tried to do to Thompson and is trying to do to him with his celebrity power is awful. Right now, I find it much more reasonable to focus on the wrongs he's committing to a guy that's been nothing but a stand up guy (ted) than it is to sit around and talk about how great of a person he is.
QUOTE (GregJennings @ Feb 16 2009, 09:04 AM)
Nice post, Terry. I didn't like the article as much as you, but you really hit home the points about real, deep character people. I thought the article showed how everyone treated Brett like he was above the team. His agent could do whatever he want. Ahman never talked except to tell Brett how great he was. The whole thing felt like Brandt was bragging about how much time he spent with the legend, Brett Favre and how larger than life Brett was inside the Packer organization. The whole bubble that surrounds that guy is just creepy, but anyway.
Honestly, I'm sure he's a good person deep down and I'm sure he's done a lot of good things in his life, but we all do. To each his own. If you want to look up to this guy, go ahead. He's just a guy. Really, not special at all, but if playing football is some great accomplishment, worthy of this type of worship to you, then go ahead and love him. The part about Brett that bothers me is that I sort of like a lot of people in the Packers, even though I don't fully know them. Ted, in particular, I relate to for several reasons. I think what Brett tried to do to him and is trying to do to him with his celebrity power is awful. Right now, I find it much more reasonable to focus on the wrongs he's committing to a guy that's been nothing but a stand up guy (ted) than it is to sit around and talk about how great of a person he is.
Honestly, I'm sure he's a good person deep down and I'm sure he's done a lot of good things in his life, but we all do. To each his own. If you want to look up to this guy, go ahead. He's just a guy. Really, not special at all, but if playing football is some great accomplishment, worthy of this type of worship to you, then go ahead and love him. The part about Brett that bothers me is that I sort of like a lot of people in the Packers, even though I don't fully know them. Ted, in particular, I relate to for several reasons. I think what Brett tried to do to him and is trying to do to him with his celebrity power is awful. Right now, I find it much more reasonable to focus on the wrongs he's committing to a guy that's been nothing but a stand up guy (ted) than it is to sit around and talk about how great of a person he is.
Ted has been a stand up guy in the Favre saga ....please
QUOTE (packinatl @ Feb 16 2009, 09:08 AM)
Ted has been a stand up guy in the Favre saga ....please
I think so, yeah.
QUOTE (packinatl @ Feb 15 2009, 10:08 PM)
Ted has been a stand up guy in the Favre saga ....please
TT and the team have taken a higher road. They have tried there best not to bad mouth Favre to the media and take the high road in all of this mess.
QUOTE (GregJennings @ Feb 15 2009, 09:11 PM)
I think so, yeah.
How so. He's been more snake like, than stand up, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. Unless management is also right and the employee is always wrong. I don't get it. Respectfully disagree.QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Feb 15 2009, 09:40 PM)
TT and the team have taken a higher road. They have tried there best not to bad mouth Favre to the media and take the high road in all of this mess.
No one but TT and Brett know this for sure- the rest of us are just speculating.
QUOTE (Vinnie @ Feb 15 2009, 10:53 PM)
No one but TT and Brett know this for sure- the rest of us are just speculating.
We do know that what has been said to the public that the Packers have been much quiter and have not attacked Brett.
QUOTE (Vinnie @ Feb 16 2009, 03:53 AM)
No one but TT and Brett know this for sure- the rest of us are just speculating.
Are you trying to spoil all our fun, introducing factual observations and such?
QUOTE (GregJennings @ Feb 15 2009, 10:04 PM)
If you want to look up to this guy, go ahead. He's just a guy. Really, not special at all, but if playing football is some great accomplishment, worthy of this type of worship to you, then go ahead and love him.
I used to think like this, but then I figured out just how hard it is to become great at something. Anybody who reaches "best in the world" status -- at anything -- is going to get my sincerest respect.
QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Feb 16 2009, 09:40 AM)
TT and the team have taken a higher road. They have tried there best not to bad mouth Favre to the media and take the high road in all of this mess.
Ted Thompson and the Packer organization has made their share of mistakes in this saga.
QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Feb 16 2009, 09:58 AM)
We do know that what has been said to the public that the Packers have been much quiter and have not attacked Brett.
What is public and what went on behind closed door I speculate is night and day. I cannot wait for the book
QUOTE (GregJennings @ Feb 16 2009, 09:04 AM)
If you want to look up to this guy, go ahead. He's just a guy. Really, not special at all, but if playing football is some great accomplishment, worthy of this type of worship to you, then go ahead and love him.
I am sure you mean this when you speak of ANY professional athlete
QUOTE (packinatl @ Feb 16 2009, 09:28 PM)
I am sure you mean this when you speak of ANY professional athlete
Absolutely. Just guys. Most-all of them. I enjoy watching many of them play football. Some are impressive athletes or impressive tacticians at their job. Those are things I respect (talent and work ethic to be the best). I don't carry that over into any other part of their life. Sometimes I respect many things about a player including things outside of football (see Greg Jennings or Donald Driver). With #4, he WAS a great football player. That is separate from everything else. Is he a good person, deep down? Probably. However, the way he treats others is indicative of a person who thinks he's above the rest and I don't respect that, at all. The way he's treated Thompson, has been awful also. Ted is doing the best job he can, and #4 did everything he could to ruin his career and get him fired. It didn't work, but it shows where #4's head is at, and it's sort of pathetic, really.
So yeah, I don't worship these players, none of them. Some I respect a lot more than others because they are great at what they do and they do get worshiped, but they don't let it effect how they treat others. They don't turn into spoiled divas. Brett is exactly that, a spoiled diva. I can honestly say, I'd have zero interest in meeting him. If he said hi to me, I don't think I'd say a word back because it would be disingenuous for me to say anything but, "I don't respect you at all, Brett". I wouldn't care to provide him with any constructive criticism because I think it would be wasted breath. If I met Thompson, I'd say, "I really respect how you do your job and how well you do your job. thank you." I'd be happy to meet him, and I'd feel good talking to him because I believe he is a good person and a mature, humble, talented and wise person that is in touch with what he believes and acts in a way that I think is impressive and good (both in intent and in execution that comes from a deep understanding). Plus, I believe in how he's building this team, so it would be great to meet him, something I look forward to doing some day.
QUOTE (GregJennings @ Feb 16 2009, 11:31 AM)
Absolutely. Just guys. Most-all of them. I enjoy watching many of them play football. Some are impressive athletes or impressive tacticians at their job. Those are things I respect (talent and work ethic to be the best). I don't carry that over into any other part of their life. Sometimes I respect many things about a player including things outside of football (see Greg Jennings or Donald Driver). With Favre, he WAS a great football player. That is separate from everything else. Is he a good person, deep down? Probably. However, the way he treats others is indicative of a person who thinks he's above the rest and I don't respect that, at all. The way he's treated Thompson, has been awful also. Ted is doing the best job he can, and #4 did everything he could to ruin his career and get him fired. It didn't work, but it shows where #4's head is at, and it's sort of pathetic, really.
So yeah, I don't worship these players, none of them. Some I respect a lot more than others because they are great at what they do and they do get worshiped, but they don't let it effect how they treat others. They don't turn into spoiled divas. Brett is exactly that, a spoiled diva. I can honestly say, I'd have zero interest in meeting him. If he said hi to me, I don't think I'd say a word back because it would be disingenuous for me to say anything but, "I don't respect you at all, Brett" and I don't think he's worth wasting my breath so I'd rather say nothing.
So yeah, I don't worship these players, none of them. Some I respect a lot more than others because they are great at what they do and they do get worshiped, but they don't let it effect how they treat others. They don't turn into spoiled divas. Brett is exactly that, a spoiled diva. I can honestly say, I'd have zero interest in meeting him. If he said hi to me, I don't think I'd say a word back because it would be disingenuous for me to say anything but, "I don't respect you at all, Brett" and I don't think he's worth wasting my breath so I'd rather say nothing.
Id like to see some solid proof of this.
QUOTE (GregJennings @ Feb 16 2009, 11:31 AM)
Absolutely. Just guys. Most-all of them. I enjoy watching many of them play football. Some are impressive athletes or impressive tacticians at their job. Those are things I respect (talent and work ethic to be the best). I don't carry that over into any other part of their life. Sometimes I respect many things about a player including things outside of football (see Greg Jennings or Donald Driver). With #4, he WAS a great football player. That is separate from everything else. Is he a good person, deep down? Probably. However, the way he treats others is indicative of a person who thinks he's above the rest and I don't respect that, at all. The way he's treated Thompson, has been awful also. Ted is doing the best job he can, and #4 did everything he could to ruin his career and get him fired. It didn't work, but it shows where #4's head is at, and it's sort of pathetic, really.
So yeah, I don't worship these players, none of them. Some I respect a lot more than others because they are great at what they do and they do get worshiped, but they don't let it effect how they treat others. They don't turn into spoiled divas. Brett is exactly that, a spoiled diva. I can honestly say, I'd have zero interest in meeting him. If he said hi to me, I don't think I'd say a word back because it would be disingenuous for me to say anything but, "I don't respect you at all, Brett". I wouldn't care to provide him with any constructive criticism because I think it would be wasted breath. If I met Thompson, I'd say, "I really respect how you do your job and how well you do your job. thank you." I'd be happy to meet him, and I'd feel good talking to him because I believe he is a good person and a mature, humble, talented and wise person that is in touch with what he believes and acts in a way that I think is impressive and good (both in intent and in execution that comes from a deep understanding). Plus, I believe in how he's building this team, so it would be great to meet him, something I look forward to doing some day.
So yeah, I don't worship these players, none of them. Some I respect a lot more than others because they are great at what they do and they do get worshiped, but they don't let it effect how they treat others. They don't turn into spoiled divas. Brett is exactly that, a spoiled diva. I can honestly say, I'd have zero interest in meeting him. If he said hi to me, I don't think I'd say a word back because it would be disingenuous for me to say anything but, "I don't respect you at all, Brett". I wouldn't care to provide him with any constructive criticism because I think it would be wasted breath. If I met Thompson, I'd say, "I really respect how you do your job and how well you do your job. thank you." I'd be happy to meet him, and I'd feel good talking to him because I believe he is a good person and a mature, humble, talented and wise person that is in touch with what he believes and acts in a way that I think is impressive and good (both in intent and in execution that comes from a deep understanding). Plus, I believe in how he's building this team, so it would be great to meet him, something I look forward to doing some day.
So just out of curiosity, do you believe Ted Thompson is, "just a guy" as well?
Like, if you found out Ted Thompson was cheating on his wife, or had a gambling addiction, or fired some low level person within the organization because he just didn't like him, would that change your attitude regarding him?
Or would you continue to believe that like Favre, Thompson is, "just a guy" and that it has no bearing on him a a professional because he's just like everyone else.
Greg: For some one who doesn't want to waste his breath giving the guy the courtesy of a Hi back if he ever said hi to you (something I would NOT waste a lot of time worrying about if I were you), you seem to be pretty engaged in typing and expressing your disdain for the guy.
Brett is an ex-Packer. He led the team to multiple NFC championship games and two Super Bowls. He didn't do it by himself, but he played an integral part in leading a storied franchise back from an incredible drought to perennial playoff team and contender.
He will be in the Packer Hall of Fame, the NFL Hall of Fame and will be in every serious discussion of "the NFL Greats..." You can choose to remember him bitterly or for the contributions that he made to the team your purport to love -- I choose the later. IMO it is healthier and saves a lot of stress.
Brett is an ex-Packer. He led the team to multiple NFC championship games and two Super Bowls. He didn't do it by himself, but he played an integral part in leading a storied franchise back from an incredible drought to perennial playoff team and contender.
He will be in the Packer Hall of Fame, the NFL Hall of Fame and will be in every serious discussion of "the NFL Greats..." You can choose to remember him bitterly or for the contributions that he made to the team your purport to love -- I choose the later. IMO it is healthier and saves a lot of stress.
Its easier to smile then frown. 
I think Ted Thompson is more than "just a guy". I admire him greatly and I believe he is a truely good person. After all that has gone on, I think Ted understands how a player could feel hurt and does not dislike him for it. I think deep down, he loves Brett Favre and wants to see the best for him and his family.
As far as wasting my breath on Brett, it has more to do with putting my time in for a guy I believe in and standing up for what is right, standing up for a guy that doesn't stand up for himself the way he should.
As far as wasting my breath on Brett, it has more to do with putting my time in for a guy I believe in and standing up for what is right, standing up for a guy that doesn't stand up for himself the way he should.
QUOTE (GregJennings @ Feb 16 2009, 12:00 PM)
I think Ted Thompson is more than "just a guy". I admire him greatly and I believe he is a truely good person. After all that has gone on, I think Ted understands how a player could feel hurt and does not dislike him for it. I think deep down, he loves Brett Favre and wants to see the best for him and his family.
As far as wasting my breath on Brett, it has more to do with putting my time in for a guy I believe in and standing up for what is right, standing up for a guy that doesn't stand up for himself the way he should.
As far as wasting my breath on Brett, it has more to do with putting my time in for a guy I believe in and standing up for what is right, standing up for a guy that doesn't stand up for himself the way he should.
Does he know this...?
QUOTE (Bruce @ Feb 16 2009, 11:54 PM)
He will be in the Packer Hall of Fame, the NFL Hall of Fame and will be in every serious discussion of "the NFL Greats..." You can choose to remember him bitterly or for the contributions that he made to the team your purport to love -- I choose the later. IMO it is healthier and saves a lot of stress.
He will be dead, buried in the dirt of the earth and continue on the cycle of life. But if you worship the football HOF's, great. If that makes you feel healthy, happy and whole, I'm not in your way. That thought is exactly what give #4 the power he uses to hurt, but if you don't see it and it makes you smile, that's all you need.
QUOTE (GregJennings @ Feb 16 2009, 12:06 PM)
He will be dead, buried in the dirt of the earth and continue on the cycle of life. But if you worship the football HOF's, great. If that makes you feel healthy, happy and whole, I'm not in your way. That thought is exactly what give #4 the power he uses to hurt, but if you don't see it and it makes you smile, that's all you need.
You do realize you made this post AFTER you posted this...right?
I think Ted Thompson is more than "just a guy". I admire him greatly and I believe he is a truely good person.
I dont want to sound like a weirdo or anything but that really creeps me out. Not only for the obvious reasons but the fact that as far as we know of you dont have a relationship with either of these guys on a personal level yet you love one and hate the other.
Just seems a little strange...
QUOTE (GregJennings @ Feb 17 2009, 12:00 AM)
I think Ted Thompson is more than "just a guy". I admire him greatly and I believe he is a truely good person. After all that has gone on, I think Ted understands how a player could feel hurt and does not dislike him for it. I think deep down, he loves Brett Favre and wants to see the best for him and his family.
As far as wasting my breath on Brett, it has more to do with putting my time in for a guy I believe in and standing up for what is right, standing up for a guy that doesn't stand up for himself the way he should.
As far as wasting my breath on Brett, it has more to do with putting my time in for a guy I believe in and standing up for what is right, standing up for a guy that doesn't stand up for himself the way he should.
Ted Thompson is more that just a guy and all professional athletes are just "guys" WOW
So why is Ted more than just a guy? And to say that Favre wanted to get him fired? Please how?
QUOTE (GregJennings @ Feb 16 2009, 01:06 PM)
That thought is exactly what give #4 the power he uses to hurt, but if you don't see it and it makes you smile, that's all you need.
He has power, that he uses to hurt? Who has he hurt? Did he hurt you? He certainly didn't hurt me, or anybody else that I've known.
Yeah, this is just getting ridiculous.
Greg -- it's pretty obvious you've chosen sides here. You love Thompson and dislike Favre (I hesitate to say, "hate").
In your other thread you said, "Let the battle begin". It's pretty clear that you enjoy this stuff and that you're looking at this from the standpoint of seeing, "your guy" win. IMO, that's extremely sad, and pretty pathetic.
We're all Packer fans, but what I've gathered by your posts is that your disdain for Favre is causing you to make him into something he's clearly not. I also think you're putting Ted Thompson on quite the pedestal.
You say he's not, "just a guy" and that all professional athletes are.
Funny that when you answered that you didn't consider that Teddy himself was once a linebacker.
But hey, thanks for taking the bait on that one.
Sincerely,
Heat.
Greg -- it's pretty obvious you've chosen sides here. You love Thompson and dislike Favre (I hesitate to say, "hate").
In your other thread you said, "Let the battle begin". It's pretty clear that you enjoy this stuff and that you're looking at this from the standpoint of seeing, "your guy" win. IMO, that's extremely sad, and pretty pathetic.
We're all Packer fans, but what I've gathered by your posts is that your disdain for Favre is causing you to make him into something he's clearly not. I also think you're putting Ted Thompson on quite the pedestal.
You say he's not, "just a guy" and that all professional athletes are.
Funny that when you answered that you didn't consider that Teddy himself was once a linebacker.
But hey, thanks for taking the bait on that one.
Sincerely,
Heat.
The article was just a list of 'feel good' anecdotes. I may have got a chuckle, but Brett Farve is still not a person I am a fan of. When he attempted to 'stick it' to Ted, he effectively 'stuck it' to his team, his teammates, and his fans. The last thing I care about now are amusing anecdotes about Brett's time as a Packer.
Without exonerating anyone, I think it is clear that when all is said and done the person who had the choice to behave badly or not was Brett.
Without exonerating anyone, I think it is clear that when all is said and done the person who had the choice to behave badly or not was Brett.
This is a topic I'm obviously pretty passionate about and I do look forward to continuing but 1. I'm at work and 2. I don't answer to things I never said and there are quite a few people putting words in my mouth.
If anyone is on the other side of my view, is capable of reading what I wrote and disagrees with what I say or questions why I believe what I do, I'd be happy to explain when I get home.
If anyone is on the other side of my view, is capable of reading what I wrote and disagrees with what I say or questions why I believe what I do, I'd be happy to explain when I get home.
QUOTE (GregJennings @ Feb 17 2009, 02:58 AM)
This is a topic I'm obviously pretty passionate about and I do look forward to continuing but 1. I'm at work and 2. I don't answer to things I never said and there are quite a few people putting words in my mouth.
If anyone is on the other side of my view, is capable of reading what I wrote and disagrees with what I say or questions why I believe what I do, I'd be happy to explain when I get home.
If anyone is on the other side of my view, is capable of reading what I wrote and disagrees with what I say or questions why I believe what I do, I'd be happy to explain when I get home.
No we did not put words in your mouth Greg, if you are referencing this.....
Your direct quote: Absolutely. Just guys. Most-all of them.
Then on Thompson again direct quote: I think Ted Thompson is more than "just a guy".
Don't you think it's time to put all this aside and get back to talking about the Green Bay Packers?
The current Packers.
The current Packers.
QUOTE (eX Oh @ Feb 16 2009, 01:57 PM)
I think it is clear that when all is said and done the person who had the choice to behave badly or not was Brett.
That's an excellent point, eX Oh,
but -- I guess perhaps it comes down to that person's interpretation of what, "behaving badly" is. IMO, behaving badly is what Michael Vick did. Or what Michael Irvin used to do, or what Pacman Jones does on a weekly basis. If someone wants to hang Favre for misbehaving, then fine -- that's their prerogative, but I have a real problem with people not taking a stark glance in the mirror when they do so. I think if they did, they'd find quite the double standard staring them right in the face. And I think that's why so many choose not to do so when it comes to topics like this.
As I said previously, everyone wants to see hero's crumble. It gives them solace and meaning to their already pathetic lives.
QUOTE (LMG @ Feb 17 2009, 03:38 AM)
Don't you think it's time to put all this aside and get back to talking about the Green Bay Packers?
The current Packers.
The current Packers.
Then why even have a Favre forum, it breeds this type of thread? But its still news to some
QUOTE (packinatl @ Feb 16 2009, 12:49 PM)
Then why even have a Favre forum, it breeds this type of thread? But its still news to some
You are right and it also "breeds" posters going at each others throat's because they have an opinion.
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