Which one would you want if you had the choice ??????

I know both for me LOL

But I remember talks about Peppers in the last off season I thin TT likes him as Do I

I think Haynesworth would be a contract guy

But Peppers could be the guy


So I chose Peppers

Imagine Peppers and Kamp ( and then Draft a rook to give them some rest )

Peppers is probably the safer bet right now given Haynesworth's injury situation.

Do not get your hopes up for either of these two.

Peppers can still be franchised by the Panthers, so he may not see the market.

If Peppers is not tagged I offer him 5 years 60 million with 25 million guranteed.

and Kampman is on the phone to his agent about 2 minutes later. No doubt, Thompson needs to so something in the FA market, it will be interesting how this works out. I think TT's going to stick to his same old minimal FA activity methods.

Must be the holiday spirit or something GM, but that's now twice today I've completely agreed with you.

Does anyone think, it is possible to get them both ? Might be attractive to them to play on one of the best D-Lines ....

Kampman, Haynesworth, Pickett, Peppers, sounds good to me and worth to try.

If the Panthers tag Peppers, try to buy them with some 2010 draft picks ...

Thats not a good PR move for you Heat, people are going to wonder if you lost your marbles!!

Watever it takes. If he's availabe get him. I agree.

That's alright. I'm good with it.

Seriously though, I'd be shocked if Thompson picks up either of these guys. I think they're too old for his taste

He didn't draft them, so he probably won't want them here. I know he does make an exception , like Woodson, but these two would be serious money.

IMO, the opposing team's pass protection has to be collapsed up the middle for our defensive line to have success, regardless of the scheme/coordinator. I'd take Haynesworth.

I'd vote to go after Haynesworth. Something tells me that if Tennessee does not sign him this offseason before free agency he is going to have a really big year for whoever he signs with to show Tennessee what they are missing. I will say however I would not want him if we go to a 3-4 defense.

We could probably sign Jordan Gross + Rocky Bernard/Bertrand Berry for the amount it would cost us to sign Peppers OR Haynesworth.

we arent getting peppers or haynesworth. they are too old and will cost too much.

in the spirit of the thread however i;d go with big albert haynesworth because he is athletic huge and cant be stopped. peppers was terrible 2 seasons ago and he was declining even before that. i dont know if it was him re-emerging this year or a fluke but haynesworth has been more consistant and i think he is still in him prime.

Haynesworth=Hunt after he gets paid

peppers=pro bowler hard worker go get him if he is not tagged.

Indeed. How often has that been true of a DL recently? Reggie, Sapp for a while, not too many others. Haynesworth goes where he wants to. There's no other defensive player on his level. He's the perfect DT in any scheme. Pair him inside with Jenkins then add someone like Hardy, Brown or Selvie outside with Kampman and you'd have a legitimate pass rush. Right now every DT on our roster is a liability as a pass rusher, as are some of our DE. We're a long way off.

Haynesworth.

Peppers. please. He's older yes, but keeps his conditioning at a high level. Good locker room prescence.

Since it will be neither... I will say both.

If Thompson isn't the highest bidder on either or these two guys, we won't have to worry about Brett Favre theads any more, that's for sure.

Come on Vinnie, it's not even February yet, don't lose faith in TT just yet!!

I think the biggest difference between this off season compared to the last few is that his job could be on the line next year if not this one. He may realize that he doesn't have a 5 plus year rebuilding plan on his side, and we could be surprised at what he does this off season. I have a feeling it is put up or shut up time for MM and TT. I sincerely hope that it works out for them.

Just being realistic and a bit pessimistic. I have grown accustomed to the lack of of season FA action.

Article on Peppers and Panthers decision:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nf...ory/467057.html

Ya pretty much.

If you watched ANY playoff football this weekend you know the answer to this question.

Haynesworth picked on that Ravens O-Line all day and was a disruptive force all afternoon. Where as Peppers was an absolute nonfactor against a one-on-one with Wayne Gandy all night long.

If we're dishing out money, I want Albert.

Good find, GM. I read that article earlier - not a ringing endorsement of Peppers, that's for sure.

I really don't expect to see either of these guys leaving their respective teams.

If you watched ANY playoff football this weekend, you will also know which player didn't get hurt.

Haynesworth has never made it through an entire year since his rookie one, but he only started 3 games that season, meaning he was in on significantly less snaps.

Peppers, on the other hand, missed four games as a rookie and two in 2007. That's it.

Just something else to consider.

Oh, and age is really a non-factor, as Haynesworth will be 28 when the season starts, while Peppers will be 29.

But I'm with Vinnie: I don't think the Packers will land either one, though I do think Thompson will make a legitimate inquiry into both players' services.

He was already hurt, but at least when he played he made a difference.

How many times did they mention Peppers in the Arizona game? Only time I saw him was when he was generating no rush against a mediocre tackle.

Notes from Pat Yaskinas' blog at ESPN
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcsouth/0-7-78...s-peppered.html
"Charles Chandler, my friend and former colleague at The Charlotte Observer, got a great quote from NFL Films producer Greg Cosell about Carolina defensive end Julius Peppers.

For those who don't know, Cosell is one of those guys who breaks down film extensively. He also is impartial and willing to say exactly what he sees on the film.

After watching the film of Peppers in Saturday night's loss to Arizona, Cosell had some very interesting and strong thoughts.

"The Cardinals told you what they thought of Peppers by the way they approached him in that game," Cosell told Chandler. "The Cardinals told you that they were more than willing to single-up [offensive tackle] Mike Gandy on Julius Peppers for most of the game and that Peppers was not somebody who needed to be accounted for."

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Haynesworth, while healthy, is a force. Check these numbers from the Titans/Ravens game...per Paul Kuharsky at ESPN.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcsouth/0-7-38...-Baltimore.html

"HAYNESWORTH'S IMPORTANCE AGAINST THE RUN

When Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth was in the game, Baltimore's rushing attack was all but stopped.
Baltimore Rushing vs. Tennessee
--Att Yds Avg Lng
Haynesworth in --20 31 1.6 11
Haynesworth out --8 21 2.6 8
Total --28 52 1.9 11
Ravens' rushing up the middle
Haynesworth in --10 17 1.7 6
Haynesworth out --6 21 3.5 8"

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Now, I don't think they will land either one either, but if I am spending the money which I think is the basis of this thread, I want Albert Haynesworth. I don't even have to debate in my own head. I want someone to stop the run, and these numbers tell me that he's capable of doing so.

I think Haynesworth is a more disruptive force as well. Not many opposing offenses gameplan for a DT the way they do against Haynesworth. I'm not saying Peppers isn't feared, but I don't think he is as feared more than some of the other elite players at his position. Haynesworth is in a league of his own at DT, in my opinion.

My point was that it is tough to be disruptive when you miss games at a constant rate.

That, and there is also the "work ethic" stigma around Haynesworth, though I am not sure how accurate it is.

Just two caveats to consider.

So I guess I am the only one who sees Haynesworth as a thug who will do a Hunt and do nothing once he gets paid?

He could turn out to do nothing, but of course....so could Peppers. Thats the crapshoot called free agency.

My gut is that we can get 2 or 3 really good years out of either Haynesworth or Peppers before their skills start to significantly diminish at the age of 30 or 31. Is that period of time where they might be great (if they don't get hurt) long enough for it to be worth it to sign either of them to a 6 year $70 million contract with $35 million guaranteed.

Should be interesting.

Very possible. But it's more likely in my opinion that a rookie, given a big signing bonus, haven never had money of any kind is going to fold up more quickly given the temptations. than a player looking for his second contract.

I think the D needs a thug.

He just had a couple cheapshots, its not like he went Last Boy Scout.

Peppers is asking Carolina to let him pursue FA, i.e. not tag him
story up on ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?i...ce=NFLHeadlines

So with the switch to 3-4 and Peppers latest announcement that he wants to transition into a 3-4 OLB, does Peppers seem like the more logical choice?

Also see: could Haynesworth be as effective in a 3-4?

Haynesworth on hold
If the Tennessee Titans are intent on keeping defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, they haven't shown it.

According to two sources at the Senior Bowl, there has been no contact between Haynesworth and the Titans since a cursory call early in the process declaring mutual interest in getting a contract done.

On Feb. 27, Haynesworth will hit the unrestricted free-agent market as the top defensive player and will command a contract that pays upward of $10 million per season.

While Haynesworth could play either nose tackle or defensive end, there is virtually no shot he will land with the Green Bay Packers, who switched to a 3-4 scheme with the addition of coordinator Dom Capers.

The favorite to land Haynesworth could be the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who run a two-gap tackle system and will have the most cap room of any team when free agency starts - a reported $40.4 million.

I take Suggs.

Neither of these guys are 3-4 players. Haynesworth is a freak at DT in a 4-3 but doesn't have the body-type to be a NT in a 3-4. He is 6'6 where most NTs on a 3-4 tend to be 6'1 or 6'2 with 6'4 being the absolute most. NTs in a 3-4 need to get lots of leverage and its easier to do that when you aren't as tall as Michael Jordan.

Peppers won't be happy as a 3-4 DE and I think he is simply too big to a LB. He certainly could play 3-4 DE but why spend this kind of money for a guy whose skills won't be utilized properly? He wants to play as a pass rusher in a 3-4 to max out his stats.

You make good points on Haynesworth as a NT and Peppers as a DE, but Haynesworth is quick enough to play DE in the 3-4 scheme. There, his height is an advantage to batting down balls. As for Peppers, he would be an OLB not a DE. While he is definitely larger than the average 3-4 OLB, he is athletically talented enough to do it. Now is he smart enough, or mentally disciplined enough? That is another question all together. I know Levon Kirkland was an ILB, but he played as large as 285 at times which is Peppers current weight, and Peppers is far quicker and faster.


To answer the question, I'd take Haynesworth over Peppers. It is easier to find a 3-4 OLB than it is to find a 3-4 DE. Pluse Haynesworth next to Pickett is like 680 pounds; that's alot of mass to block even for three OLineman.

Those are excellent points, TFecht. I think it would be much easier to find a 3-4 LB in this draft than the huge, quick DE. When this thread first started I wanted Peppers, period. Now I would think the best way to go in this scenario would be to sign Haynesworth and draft an Everett Brown or Curry if he falls.

Would signing Peppers and drafting Raji be better? I don't know. But I do agree it's all moot. No way Ted spends that kind of dough in FA. I'll be happy with either a Canty, Leonhard, or Bart Scott coupled with one of the OL. I don't even know if he'll do that much. I'll believe it when I see it.

Anyone still hankering for Haynesworth? It's going to cost some coin.

"Although he declined to go into specifics, Haynesworth is seeking a six-year deal that would make him the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. Right now that designation belongs to Vikings defensive end Jared Allen, who signed a six-year contract last offseason with $32 million guaranteed and $12.2 million per year. Haynesworth made it clear he's looking to get paid."

http://tennessean.com/article/20090130/SPO...389/1002/SPORTS