GBP4EVER
Oct 8 2008, 05:30 PM
I doubt TT will do it but I think he could be worth 5 years 50 million with half of it guranteed.
rpiotr01
Oct 8 2008, 05:46 PM
Dwight Freeney - 6 years, 72 mil, 30+mil guaranteed.
Start there.
Heatseeker
Oct 9 2008, 08:12 AM
QUOTE (rpiotr01 @ Oct 8 2008, 08:46 PM)

Dwight Freeney - 6 years, 72 mil, 30+mil guaranteed.
Start there.
Yep... pretty much. Haynesworth is going to hit the jackpot.
i.e., not in Green Bay.
PackerJB
Oct 9 2008, 01:28 PM
Haynesworth is a stud. I'd give him 6 yrs 70+ million in a second.
Heatseeker
Oct 9 2008, 01:59 PM
Just do like a stadium tax to pay for it
kevinwayne20
Oct 9 2008, 02:22 PM
QUOTE (Heatseeker @ Oct 9 2008, 11:12 PM)

Yep... pretty much. Haynesworth is going to hit the jackpot.
i.e., not in Green Bay.
Pretty much sums up this thread in a nut shell. Not a chance Thompson pays any free agent that sort of money even if he is currently the most dominate player in the NFL.
dictator of logic
Oct 9 2008, 02:24 PM
Haynesworth strikes me as a guy who will get lazy once he gets paid. I don't say that about a lot of free agents (I think it is an overblown theory) but occassionally it has some truth to it.
Actually, I agree. And, I'm also not one to say that about a lot of free agents (I think that for most pro athletes, "working on their game" is actually a compulsive behavior that they can't just "turn off").
At the same time, "the most dominant player in the NFL" only hits the market every so often, and I think that it would be a worthwhile risk. I mean, if he does slack off then he may still be lightyears beyond the next available alternative.
diesel
Oct 9 2008, 06:35 PM
QUOTE (kevinwayne20 @ Oct 9 2008, 05:22 PM)

Pretty much sums up this thread in a nut shell. Not a chance Thompson pays any free agent that sort of money even if he is currently the most dominate player in the NFL.
Agreed. No way Ted spends money for a player of that significance.
GBP4EVER
Oct 10 2008, 03:27 AM
I did hear a interesting rumor on the radio the other day. They say TT is worried that a new CBA will not be passed anytime soon ending revenue sharing meaning the team will have to pony up cash themselves so he is trying to save as much as he can so he can try to sign some FA in case this happens.
kevinwayne20
Oct 10 2008, 04:37 AM
QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Oct 10 2008, 05:27 PM)

I did hear a interesting rumor on the radio the other day. They say TT is worried that a new CBA will not be passed anytime soon ending revenue sharing meaning the team will have to pony up cash themselves so he is trying to save as much as he can so he can try to sign some FA in case this happens.
If no CBA is passed then there will be no salary cap. If that is the case then it won't matter how much money he saves because we will get outbid. There is no Green Bay Packers without revenue sharing or salary cap.
Thompson hasn't signed a notable FA in the last two off seasons with a plethora of cash available. I highly doubt he is putting money in his piggy bank too sign a FA now.
Gregg
Oct 10 2008, 04:05 PM
The problem with Haynesworth is, as mentioned, it appears he is playing hard for the big payoff. And this is a genuine worry. Because it has happened before with GB ie. Cletidus Hunt. Hunt had a lot of potential. Had one really good year, and then became a baby. Never played like that again and nursed and milked injuries.
This may be the difference between Haynesworth being a good player and being an excellent player. I am not saying that is the case, but you have to look out for that.
There are safer guys on that list.
Guz
Oct 29 2008, 08:42 AM
I think it should be priority #1 to get Haynesworth on this team. What do we have to give them a first and a third? I'd send the paperwork today if I was TT. Hell I'd even throw in Justin Harrell if that helps. I don't care about draft picks anymore. Our team is stocked and needs offensive or defensive STUDS, especially on our dline. How bout a DLine of Kampmann, Haynesworth, Pickett, and Jenkins!!?? Have fun running against that line. Spare me the Cletis Hunt crap, it's insulting to Haynesworth to put their names in the same sentence. Haynesworth is what we need, pay the man and get him on our team TT!!
Heatseeker
Oct 29 2008, 10:13 AM
Haynesworth is not just a big name, he'll be the BIGGEST name on the market. The contract he garners will likely go beyond his value (Nate Clements anyone?) thus, TT won't even think twice about the guy.
IMO, TT wants value. He wants overachievers. He wants guys that are still playing for that big contract, not the guys who just got it.
Packer Backer NY
Oct 29 2008, 11:48 AM
QUOTE (Guz @ Oct 29 2008, 12:42 PM)

I think it should be priority #1 to get Haynesworth on this team. What do we have to give them a first and a third? I'd send the paperwork today if I was TT. Hell I'd even throw in Justin Harrell if that helps. I don't care about draft picks anymore. Our team is stocked and needs offensive or defensive STUDS, especially on our dline. How bout a DLine of Kampmann, Haynesworth, Pickett, and Jenkins!!?? Have fun running against that line. Spare me the Cletis Hunt crap, it's insulting to Haynesworth to put their names in the same sentence. Haynesworth is what we need, pay the man and get him on our team TT!!
Do we really want him? Remember the head stomping incident? Was that a one time "gasket blowing" incident or will it happen again.....?
But I agree that he is a huge talent.
R man
Oct 29 2008, 02:20 PM
QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Oct 10 2008, 06:27 AM)

I did hear a interesting rumor on the radio the other day. They say TT is worried that a new CBA will not be passed anytime soon ending revenue sharing meaning the team will have to pony up cash themselves so he is trying to save as much as he can so he can try to sign some FA in case this happens.
I heard that to...
Nacho
Oct 29 2008, 02:55 PM
QUOTE (Heatseeker @ Oct 29 2008, 06:13 PM)

Haynesworth is not just a big name, he'll be the BIGGEST name on the market. The contract he garners will likely go beyond his value (Nate Clements anyone?) thus, TT won't even think twice about the guy.
IMO, TT wants value. He wants overachievers. He wants guys that are still playing for that big contract, not the guys who just got it.
I think your wrong, IMO. He paid Woody a big cheque! At the time i thought that he was over paying a guy just to fill a need. I know Woody is a class player, but when I seen his age and his last few years at Oakland i thought that we were paying a guy his retierment cheque. But I was wrong and TT was right. he is paying the right amount of money for a guy who is on his way to being the DPOTY or even league MVP (no suprise Rod Woodson is saying that). I think TT is just picky! Like me, I have to have my porridge a certain way or its just not porridge, if a player is not what TT thinks is right, then he will not cough up the money. This offseason will show what opinion he has of Haynesworth.
But for my money he will be the Nate Clements of two seasons ago, team freaks out and does something nuts. so that may rule TT out, but not the player, IMO.
Minny Packer Fan
Oct 29 2008, 05:18 PM
Even though Haynesworth is a free agent AGAIN this year. Did he ever negotiate out the right of the Titans to utilize the franchise tag on him?
If he freed himself of that right, he will get a blockbuster type of deal probably over $15 million per year for 6 years. The key is if you think that 2010 is going to be an uncapped year, you might want to structure any deal to take advantage of that year by loading the contract in that year.
I wish Haynesworth was on our team as he creates havoc in the interior. However, I'd be shocked if Thompson went after him unless he gets Rodgers, Jennings and maybe even Collins re-signed before November 2nd to take advantage of our current cap space and give us more cap room in 2009 and beyond.
Heatseeker
Oct 30 2008, 10:27 AM
QUOTE (Nacho @ Oct 29 2008, 05:55 PM)

I think your wrong, IMO. He paid Woody a big cheque! At the time i thought that he was over paying a guy just to fill a need. I know Woody is a class player, but when I seen his age and his last few years at Oakland i thought that we were paying a guy his retierment cheque. But I was wrong and TT was right. he is paying the right amount of money for a guy who is on his way to being the DPOTY or even league MVP (no suprise Rod Woodson is saying that). I think TT is just picky! Like me, I have to have my porridge a certain way or its just not porridge, if a player is not what TT thinks is right, then he will not cough up the money. This offseason will show what opinion he has of Haynesworth.
But for my money he will be the Nate Clements of two seasons ago, team freaks out and does something nuts. so that may rule TT out, but not the player, IMO.
He gave Woodson some cash, no doubt, but he's gotten his money's worth. Truth is, no one but the Packers and Bucs were even interested in Woodson. Haynesworth on the other hand, will IMO be the CC Sabathia of the coming NFL off-season. He's going to have multiple teams vying for his services, and IMO, someone will overpay for him.
That's really my point -- not so much that TT won't open the check book for someone that he feels is worth it, but that Haynesworth will be in so much demand (unlike Woodson) that his perceived, "worth' is going to skyrocket beyond his actual worth.
I think Haynesworth is an unebelievable player, but IMO, I'd rather pay half that amount to another DT (no, I'm not sure who) and use the rest on say, an offensive linemen.
If it's one thing I think TT does quite well, is measure value, and he goes out and gets guys whose performance often surpasses their contract.
Pugger
Oct 31 2008, 07:17 AM
Do you guys really think the Titans will let this guy go to free agency if they can help it? Is is an unrestricted FA after this season?
Scott Campbell
Nov 1 2008, 08:55 AM
QUOTE (diesel @ Oct 9 2008, 07:35 PM)

Agreed. No way Ted spends money for a player of that significance.
If not quite as dominant, I think Chuck Woodson is in the same zipcode. Ted spent money on Chuck.
Scott Campbell
Nov 1 2008, 08:57 AM
QUOTE (Pugger @ Oct 31 2008, 08:17 AM)

Do you guys really think the Titans will let this guy go to free agency if they can help it? Is is an unrestricted FA after this season?
I think the Titans will sign him.
diesel
Nov 1 2008, 03:33 PM
QUOTE (Scott Campbell @ Nov 1 2008, 11:55 AM)

If not quite as dominant, I think Chuck Woodson is in the same zipcode. Ted spent money on Chuck.
Turned out to be an excellent move by Ted. Woodson was coming off a broken leg, and even so was probably considered maybe a top 5 corner in the leauge, maybe top 10. Haynesworth is considered by many to be the best defensive player in the league.
chunkymonkey
Nov 2 2008, 08:20 AM
Looks like today will be a good day to pay close attention to defensive tackles with ties to Tennessee-- and last names that begin with H.
lozmel
Nov 18 2008, 05:16 AM
This is the missing piece to our defense. He is a beast up front. He plugs the middle and puts pressure on the qb in passing situations. He would be a perfect fit for helping our porous run defense.TT are you hearing me?
Packfan_Euro_Trash
Nov 18 2008, 05:33 AM
Haynesworth is probably the defensive MVP this year so he could help every team in the league. I would still lobby for Julius Peppers over Albert. The reason being the on field assualt a few years back, and there have been rumblings of other issues. If it were strictly based on football play then AH would have a slight edge.
LawDog
Nov 18 2008, 06:00 AM
I remember when the Pack played the Titans Haynesworth metioned the mutual respect he had for his ex-Tennesse Volunteer teammates Wells, and Clifton. Maybe it's time to send these two on the recruiting trail. Haynesworth is a beast who also has lined up at DE this season. Haynesworth is a difference maker. There is no one else the Pack could get via the draft or FA that will have the impact Haynesworth would bring.
Also another DL I am looking at is Igor Olshansky from SD. A monster who plays DE in SD 3-4 defense. Add these two and watch the Pack's defense become dominant.
Bobby
Nov 18 2008, 07:35 AM
I would rather see Peppers than Haynesworth. But I read somewhere earlier this week that Panthers will franchise Peppers (at the cost of $17 million, gulp). If this happens then we definitely need Haynesworth.
With KGB already gone and Clifton on his way out after this year IMO. There is plenty of room.
OneTwoSixFive
Nov 18 2008, 08:12 AM
QUOTE (Packfan_Euro_Trash @ Nov 18 2008, 01:33 PM)

Haynesworth is probably the defensive MVP this year so he could help every team in the league. I would still lobby for Julius Peppers over Albert. The reason being the on field assualt a few years back, and there have been rumblings of other issues. If it were strictly based on football play then AH would have a slight edge.
2006, 2007, 2008. Every year Thompson has been here, fans get excited about adding one of the premium players who just might get onto the FA market. Every year most of the top guys sign for their club again, and those that don't, go elsewhere.
Nothing wrong with salivating over Haynesworth or Peppers, but it just will not happen, it never does. The only chance we have of getting a top guy, is if he is seen as suspect by other teams (like Woodson was, when we picked him up). You have much more chance hoping for a third tier guy than a top tier player. I do appreciate they do not generate the same level of excitement, but at least there is a small chance we pick them up. TT is hard to read, but history says no huge deals in FA, and neither do we give up day one picks in a trade (no Jared Allen deals here).
I do like TT, and what he has done here, a lot, but sadly, acquiring big-name FAs, and giving up high draft picks to another team for a top player are just not a part of his 'modus operandi'. Let us not worry too much about gangbuster deals, until Ted actually has made a really big deal, at least once (and re-signing a player already on our roster for big money, while important, doesn't count).
PatS4
Nov 18 2008, 12:11 PM
QUOTE (OneTwoSixFive @ Nov 18 2008, 10:12 AM)

2006, 2007, 2008. Every year Thompson has been here, fans get excited about adding one of the premium players who just might get onto the FA market. Every year most of the top guys sign for their club again, and those that don't, go elsewhere.
Nothing wrong with salivating over Haynesworth or Peppers, but it just will not happen, it never does. The only chance we have of getting a top guy, is if he is seen as suspect by other teams (like Woodson was, when we picked him up). You have much more chance hoping for a third tier guy than a top tier player. I do appreciate they do not generate the same level of excitement, but at least there is a small chance we pick them up. TT is hard to read, but history says no huge deals in FA, and neither do we give up day one picks in a trade (no Jared Allen deals here).
I do like TT, and what he has done here, a lot, but sadly, acquiring big-name FAs, and giving up high draft picks to another team for a top player are just not a part of his 'modus operandi'. Let us not worry too much about gangbuster deals, until Ted actually has made a really big deal, at least once (and re-signing a player already on our roster for big money, while important, doesn't count).
Agree, besides the fact Albert will NEVER hit FA,
this is not fantasy football folks!!
We would kick butt if we had Moss, Haynesworth, Asomugha, Winslow, Allen, Turner and how good would A-Rod be playing if WE had signed Faneca and Woody!!!!!
(I shouldn't forget Tony Richardson, Hank Poteat, Musa Smith, Marcus Tuiasosopo, Calvin Pace and of course, Ahmad Carroll as long as we have Jet-envy!!!)
Go Pack!!!
chunkymonkey
Nov 19 2008, 05:53 PM
haynesworth will be hit with the franchise tag as well. I would bet he suits for the titans in 2009. But yah-- I would try to sign him if possible.
Heatseeker
Nov 19 2008, 09:18 PM
Haynesworth will be the C.C. Sabathia of the NFL this coming year. Sure, he'll be good. But I'd bet good money he won't be as dominant as he's been, and both of them are going to be getting paid up the wazoo.
PACKmanN
Nov 22 2008, 10:31 AM
i hope you know he doing this all for a big contract and then he will disappear like he did years before.
diesel
Nov 23 2008, 03:46 PM
QUOTE (PACKmanN @ Nov 22 2008, 12:31 PM)

i hope you know he doing this all for a big contract and then he will disappear like he did years before.
I saw he went down with an injury right before the half of the big game today against the Jets. Haven't heard of the status of the injury. In the same vein, Jenkins of The Jets also appeared to have been injured. He might even be better than Haynesworth.
PackerJB
Nov 28 2008, 10:41 AM
Add Haynesworht for next season and it would be a pretty damn good DT rotation. Will keep the players a lot fresher.
GBP4EVER
Nov 28 2008, 12:13 PM
While I would look at Haynesworth I dont know if he is worth 5/60 with a 30 gurantee.
WB PackerFan
Nov 28 2008, 12:51 PM
After watching this D this year I would call that a bargain!!
RamRod
Dec 13 2008, 06:03 AM
As far as free agents go, this is the guy that I would target. I also like Jordan Gross.
I know he has been a head case in the past, but has been clean the last two years. (could be with it being contract years)
He will be able to shop around and the Titans will have to let him.
He is a guy that has 8 sacks this year, and is also a monster against the run. The thing that sucks is that we have so much money tied up in our defensive line that I don't see this happening. But man, all that money is not getting the job done. It is quite the dillema!! Knowing Thompson he will leave the defensive line alone and focus somewhere else because of all the money he has tied up in that area. I don't know if we can cut any of these guys without taking a substantial cap hit. I would let Harrell go, but you still have Pickett, Kampen, and Jenkins making good coin. If you can get a guy like Haynesworth think about how much better those three will be!!
The pass rush will be better, the offense will be better cause they will have better field position throughout the game. I can go on and on about what an impact a guy like Haynesworth would bring.
I hate free agency, but this is one guy if he has his head on straight that I would go for.
ricky
Dec 13 2008, 06:55 AM
QUOTE (RamRod @ Dec 13 2008, 08:03 PM)

As far as free agents go, this is the guy that I would target. I also like Jordan Gross.
I know he has been a head case in the past, but has been clean the last two years. (could be with it being contract years)
He will be able to shop around and the Titans will have to let him.
He is a guy that has 8 sacks this year, and is also a monster against the run. The thing that sucks is that we have so much money tied up in our defensive line that I don't see this happening. But man, all that money is not getting the job done. It is quite the dillema!! Knowing Thompson he will leave the defensive line alone and focus somewhere else because of all the money he has tied up in that area. I don't know if we can cut any of these guys without taking a substantial cap hit. I would let Harrell go, but you still have Pickett, Kampen, and Jenkins making good coin. If you can get a guy like Haynesworth think about how much better those three will be!!
The pass rush will be better, the offense will be better cause they will have better field position throughout the game. I can go on and on about what an impact a guy like Haynesworth would bring.
I hate free agency, but this is one guy if he has his head on straight that I would go for.
1. I would NOT let Harrell go. IF he can stay healthy, he could be a difference maker. Of course, that "if" is about as tall as the Empire State Building.
2. I don't see why Tennessee couldn't keep Haynesworth. He would be expensive, but he's young, and, as you said, is solid in both rushing the passer and stopping the run.
3. The Packers just recently cut KGB- he was making (I believe) $6 million/year. I'll let one of the capologists here tell us how this gets pro-rated, the cap hit, and approximately how much space the Packers will have under the cap to spend in free agency.
4. Jenkins injury was a fluke, and he was playing great. He should be back next year. Would you put him at DE to complement Kampman, or use him as a rotational player, or what? Just curious.
5. Always remember, Kampman and Jennings, in particular, are due for new contracts. This would also affect the amount of cap money to be spent.
6. Thank you for not mentioning the loss of Corey Williams! The way the newspapers and some on here write, you'd think he was as effective as Haynesworth.
7. Last, I think the Packers should concentrate on getting Gross for the OL, and Peppers at DE. That would be a terrific upgrade, and finally give Kampman the rushing threat on the other side he needs to be even better.
pkrjones
Dec 13 2008, 07:40 AM
QUOTE (RamRod @ Dec 13 2008, 08:03 AM)

I hate free agency, but this is one guy if he has his head on straight that I would go for.
How many "turds" does it take to give a team a new, negative identity? Only takes a few to screw-up the team chemistry and/or poison the locker room.
Vinnie
Dec 13 2008, 08:17 AM
QUOTE (pkrjones @ Dec 13 2008, 09:40 AM)

How many "turds" does it take to give a team a new, negative identity? Only takes a few to screw-up the team chemistry and/or poison the locker room.

Maybe the Pack needs a little, "McNasty" on the team???? They need some fire and anger injected into that defense.
Gregg
Dec 13 2008, 08:51 AM
ALbert "head stomper" Haynesworth will probably be resigned by theTitans.
They have the room to do it.
If they choose not to, that tells you what they think if him after seeing him up close. ANd even after playing very well this year.
Vinnie
Dec 13 2008, 02:35 PM
QUOTE (Gregg @ Dec 13 2008, 10:51 AM)

ALbert "head stomper" Haynesworth
Ah, it was only a Cowboy....
Wolfman
Dec 13 2008, 04:16 PM
QUOTE (Vinnie @ Dec 13 2008, 11:35 PM)

Ah, it was only a Cowboy....
Now THAT was funny!
RobD
Dec 14 2008, 04:36 PM
Not worth alot at this point in time, as he hurt his knee today. It looked pretty ugly when it happened. A MRI will determine how bad it is, but I would guess he will be done for this year. Thats going to hurt the Titans defense.
Skyshadow
Dec 14 2008, 08:06 PM
QUOTE (RobD @ Dec 14 2008, 04:36 PM)

Not worth alot at this point in time, as he hurt his knee today. It looked pretty ugly when it happened. A MRI will determine how bad it is, but I would guess he will be done for this year. Thats going to hurt the Titans defense.
And it really confuses his value as a free agent -- if it's something like an ACL, God only knows what he'll look like next year.
diesel
Dec 17 2008, 04:30 PM
QUOTE (Skyshadow @ Dec 14 2008, 10:06 PM)

And it really confuses his value as a free agent -- if it's something like an ACL, God only knows what he'll look like next year.
I heard on ESPN today that Haynesworth has a clause in his contract, that if he is voted as a starter in the Pro Bowl, The Titans cannot put the francise tag on him. He is a starter in the Pro Bowl.Interesting twist, although they still have the choice to out bid other teams.
Vinnie
Dec 17 2008, 05:22 PM
QUOTE (diesel @ Dec 17 2008, 06:30 PM)

I heard on ESPN today that Haynesworth has a clause in his contract, that if he is voted as a starter in the Pro Bowl, The Titans cannot put the francise tag on him. He is a starter in the Pro Bowl.Interesting twist, although they still have the choice to out bid other teams.
It is still unknown if that was actually written into his contract or just a verbal thing. Anyway, he sprained his MCL and reason he is not playing is the Titans clinched... He will be playing in the playoffs.
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