[66blitz]

Anyone have any idea about what the Packers might expect to recieve this year?

[TommMixx]

Anyone have any idea about what the Packers might expect to recieve this year?

Green Bay should not expect to receive any comp. picks this year. The players the Packers signed should be at least equal in value to the players they lost.

[Torveaux]

I may have been wrong before....

The Great Blue North show Green Bay losing 6 FA:
Longwell
Nall
Ruegamer
Lenon
Flanigan
Fisher

And gaining 5 FA:
Picket
Woodson
Taylor
Boerichter
Manuel

Technically speaking we could get a net of 1 pick. Given the vast difference in ability and contract levels, it could only be a 7th rounder (essentially first shot at otherwise undrafted rookies).

It is possible that there are other players not listed that I don't recall and GBN missed as well. Anyone remember?

[Jerry in Connecticut]

I had always heard that they used a formula that was in some way supposed to be "performance based." My guess is that it is based on issues like starts and playing time, and the number of starts and games you get is balanced against the ones you lost. It is only based on unrestricted free agents (UFA's).

We signed five guys last year as UFA's. Boerighter didn't make the team last year so he doesn't count. Manuel, Pickett and Woodson all started 16 games for us so they count big. Taylor played in ten games for us last year, so we have 48 starts and 10 other games for the formula.

We had eight guys make the roster of other teams through unrestricted free agency last year, and whether you missed them or not they piled up a fairly substantial number of starts and games. Grady Jackson, and Paris Lenon were both 16 game starters this year and Flanagan started 9 games before he got hurt. Grey Ruegamer started 1 game for the Giants, but played in all 16. (I don't think they count playoffs). Fisher played in 8 games before he got hurt and Chatman played in 3. Nall never got in a game this year in Buffalo, and I doubt if just having a roster spot means anything.

Probably our biggest loss last year was Ryan Longwell, and he played every game this year for the queens as their only placekicker. I have no idea if his participation counts as "starts" or not. I think how the league handles this will in large part dictate what and if we get anything.

Overall, we gained 58 games played last year, while our desserters played in 84, or almost two full guys. If we count Longwell as a starter, we gained 48 starts but lost 58. If he isn't counted as a starter, we only lost 42.

My guess is that we will get something, although I wouldn't count on alot. If I were a betting man, I would say we will maybe get a 7th rounder. I would say more than that would surprise me more than less would.

We don't get credit for any of our other guys that left and were on other rosters (Carroll, Peterson, Gardner, Davenport, Manning, Hawkins, Thomas, Roman and Diggs) because they were picked up on waivers or as "street" free agents, not Unrestricted Free Agents.

[Torveaux]

The basic formula is strictly net losses up to a maximum of 4 picks.

The part where talent and contract come in helps to determine what round the picks come in.

If we get any picks they will be late given the comparative values of the players.

Boerighter counts because we signed him as a FA. The fact that he got cut later does not come into play. IIRC.

[Jerry in Connecticut]

That would make sense to me too. Comparative value....ouch.

Why do you suppose they forgot about Grady?

[TommMixx]

I believe the main criteria used to determine comp. picks invlolves the amount of the contract. Fisher may not count in the formula because his contract amount was not large enough.
Does the time a player is signed have anything to do with whether or not he is counted in the formula? For example, is a player counted if he signs a contract after the season begins?
I also thought a player might not count as a gain if he is cut before the season begins. Apparently this idea is not correct.

[Ellis269]

I'm also pretty sure that minimum salary guys like Ben Taylor, Marc Boerigter and Tony Fisher don't come into play.

I think that we've got three guys added (Woodson, Pickett, and Manuel) versus four or five guys lost (Longwell, Flanagan, Lenon, Nall and possibly Jackson).

I think that there's the distinct chance that the Packers will be awarded one late pick, but probably not more than that. If they count Grady Jackson (who was signed significantly later than the others and might not be counted because of it), then there might be two picks, but I'm pretty sure that they'd both be very late in the draft.

[Torveaux]

I'm also pretty sure that minimum salary guys like Ben Taylor, Marc Boerigter and Tony Fisher don't come into play.

Actually, they do. Guys are counted that are Free Agents, not cut or waived, during the Free Agency period (essentially before the season starts). The quantity is almost 100% sheer volume. The only exception is when a team nets out at zero, but loses significantly more talent than they gain. Even then they only get 1 pick.

There is some good information available on NFL.com.

I'd post it, but I have kids to get to school.

[Since69]

There is some good information available on NFL.com.

I'd post it, but I have kids to get to school.

Boy, do you need to get your priorities straight...