[X] My Assistant

[mancl]

It would surprise no one if Kampman was on another team next year- what do you for his spot.

Poppinga is a hard nosed player with limited ability
Thompson has tremendous athletic ability but hasn't done anything yet
They seem to like Obz? who is on the practice squad- do you put him at Mathews position and move Matthews over to the other side?

[packinatl]

Wouldn't Chillar probably be better on the outside?

Yes!

[maxman44]

Kampman is no where close to worth franchise money. He's doing almost nothing this year. Paying him $10 million to basically occupy a spot on the starting roster is a monumental waste.

Kampman won't be a Green Bay Packer next year. Even if Kampman still wants to be here, his performance in our system has made it so that he's not worth it to us for the amount of money he'll want.

I don't think it's a waste if the Packers can get value for him by franchising him and then making a trade.

I think there's a market for Kampan in a trade although it for sure wouldn't return two first round picks.

[Terranimal]

I don't think it's a waste if the Packers can get value for him by franchising him and then making a trade.

I think there's a market for Kampan in a trade although it for sure wouldn't return two first round picks.

Well at least someone understood the point (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Can't let best players go for nothing. I will argue with anyone that Kampman isn't worth squat. It's this system he's playing in is what sucks for his production. White would suck in this system if asked to do Kampman was. Kampy is a Down DE not an OLB. Everyone knows it. He's actually done better then most would have thought in the 3-4; just he's not getting the sacks because of what is being asked of him. Kampman was, I forget the numbers; but he was near the top in sacks over the last couple of years. Is anyone going to say he completely lost it??? No way! Put him back on the line and watch his sack numbers come back up. Fritz was great at match-ups. I'm not sold on Caper. (But again MM could have something to do with that also) Fritz had to come up with new defenses due to injuries and personnel over the years before he was with the Pack and wrote the book on them. To bad Fritz isn't with us any longer. But money on that magic word "IF" he had this Defense; the numbers and production would be there.

Oh to answer the Lber question- Forget the big names and how much they make. We should stick with the guys that showed up in the pre-season. LBers should've been Bishop, Chiller, Barnett; and Matthews. If going back to 4-3; Chiller, Barnett and Matthews.

While on Defense; how about a new Defense slogan? "TURN THE DOGS LOOSE!!" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[sinatra]

I don't think it's a waste if the Packers can get value for him by franchising him and then making a trade.

I think there's a market for Kampan in a trade although it for sure wouldn't return two first round picks.

We're talking about two different points. Mine was about the fact that he won't be here next year, so I was addressing the idea of franchising him and keeping him. Won't happen.

Franchising and trading is an option, although you have to wonder how much this season is going to hurt his trade value.

[sinatra]

Well at least someone understood the point (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Can't let best players go for nothing. I will argue with anyone that Kampman isn't worth squat. It's this system he's playing in is what sucks for his production. White would suck in this system if asked to do Kampman was. Kampy is a Down DE not an OLB. Everyone knows it. He's actually done better then most would have thought in the 3-4; just he's not getting the sacks because of what is being asked of him. Kampman was, I forget the numbers; but he was near the top in sacks over the last couple of years. Is anyone going to say he completely lost it??? No way! Put him back on the line and watch his sack numbers come back up. Fritz was great at match-ups. I'm not sold on Caper. (But again MM could have something to do with that also) Fritz had to come up with new defenses due to injuries and personnel over the years before he was with the Pack and wrote the book on them. To bad Fritz isn't with us any longer. But money on that magic word "IF" he had this Defense; the numbers and production would be there.

Oh to answer the Lber question- Forget the big names and how much they make. We should stick with the guys that showed up in the pre-season. LBers should've been Bishop, Chiller, Barnett; and Matthews. If going back to 4-3; Chiller, Barnett and Matthews.

While on Defense; how about a new Defense slogan? "TURN THE DOGS LOOSE!!" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

We know, dude. We all recognize that Kampman is a good 43 DE. We know he hasn't lost that. But in a 34, he's not worth the money he wants.

Also, this may be blasphemy in Packer nation, but I've always felt like Kampman is overrated. He's good, but not as good as he's made out to be.

[firepack]

Go outside of the team and find a better 3-4 LOLB.

[strat1080]

Right now I would say put Hawk outside and re-sign Chillar and start Chillar and Barnett inside and and Matthews and Hawk outside.

I just don't really think Hawk is a 3-4 OLB. I just can't see him ever being a credible pass rushing threat on the outside. The guy can't even play all downs as an ILB and he is supposed to be able to play all downs at a more demanding position. An OLB has to do three things reasonably well. Rush the passer, stop the run, and cover. I would say Hawk can only do one of those. Kampman can do two. I think Kampman is better at 3-4 OLB than Hawk is.

[mazrimiv]

We know, dude. We all recognize that Kampman is a good 43 DE. We know he hasn't lost that. But in a 34, he's not worth the money he wants.

Also, this may be blasphemy in Packer nation, but I've always felt like Kampman is overrated. He's good, but not as good as he's made out to be.

I expect any team running a 4-3 would be interested in Kampman. It's no mystery that the switch to the 3-4 has killed Kampman's production. Put him back in a 4-3 and he goes right back to being a borderline elite DE. It only takes one interested team to make a trade happen, and I fully expect there would be more than one team interested. We were able to get a 2nd rd pick for Cory Williams, and he isn't half the player Kampman is.

If we let Kampman walk, it would almost be comical to see him land in MIN and line up opposite Allen.